Zero Punctuation: The Elder Scrolls Online - We Can MMO Too

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Olas

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It seems awfully pointless and counterintuitive to have a game where you share the world with other players and then try and make every individual player feel like the one special hero.
 

Evonisia

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CriticKitten said:
Evonisia said:
Ugh, I got bored of Kung Fu Panda jokes about Mists of Pandaria, oh wait I never found them funny. Granted if anybody has actually played the thing they'd realise that the Pandaren are much more than that and it has a rather grim tone, albeit poorly written.
I think people who hear this joke and immediately jump to the defense of "Pandaren were in WoW before Kung Fu Panda, so stop making this joke! ;_;" are missing the entire point of the joke in the first place.

Yes, Pandaren existed in the WoW universe before Kung Fu Panda. And the concepts of anime school girls with psychic powers, bear cavalry, and trained attack dolphins all existed before C&C Red Alert came along, but I don't recall anyone getting too terribly defense about how stupid all of those things are.

The Pandaren expansion exists as a means to capitalize on the rise of anthropomorphic animals in popular media, especially in the Chinese market where players eat that shit up. Their nature as masters of martial arts is probably coincidental, fair enough, but they wouldn't have been added to WoW at all if such creatures weren't becoming more and more popular. A lot more recent MMOs released tend to feature at least one furry character race to play as for pretty much the same reason.

In other words: Just because your game is older doesn't mean it's not trying to capitalize on more recent trends. And since it's such a bizarre shift from what people are used to hearing about when they hear about WoW (they're used to hearing D&D-esque terms in reference to WoW, i.e. liches and dragons and such), they're naturally going to crack jokes about it. You need to stop getting defense, and focus on getting a sense of humor instead. 'cuz honestly, Kung Fu Panda jokes are pretty tame. You could do a lot worse, and in fact, many other MMOs do. Learn to roll with it.
Yeah that's silly, but I don't jump to the WC3 defence. I didn't find it funny when I first heard it, and to hear it constantly during the hype, constantly when it came out, and then occasionally throughout 2013 it's just honestly drained me. Yahtzee's just reminded me of how much I find it boring. It's much like how everyone got sick of the Cake being a Lie.

I can hardly think that Mists of Pandaria was trying to capitalise on that trend when the series has already had Cows, Space Goats and Werewolves before this, not even including the Druid forms.
 

Atmos Duality

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So, same shit different brand?
That's a rhetorical question: I knew TES Online would be mediocre rubbish at best, years before it ever came to be.

Because the whims of MMO design demands some method of monopolizing the player's time, and not in a fun way.
So out with all the single player liberties, in with the epic grind for Bigger Numbers.
 

Lunar Templar

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Can't 'go back to the game I've spent the most time on' those [**********string of expletives deleted***********] at NCsoft killed it for no god damn reason other they 'they didn't want to deal with it any more'.

No I'm not still, positively livid, about CoH's death, why do you ask?

As for ESO, not really interested, and I find it unsurprising its only 'meh', I'll wait for it to go F2P like the almost all do before trying it.
 

Malbourne

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IMO, it should have been built from the ground up with an interest in the world's lore and how a whole bunch of players could enmesh themselves in Tamriel. Maybe the developers assumed it would go without saying that the players were free to run about knocking over skeletons without regards to the story? Whatever the reason, ESO doesn't seem like a game that pulls off the player-centric feel of the single-player titles. The transition would have been much more fluid if they hadn't altered different mechanics for the sake of the MMO formula, too, like the arbitrary faction arrangement.
 

IrisNetwork

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Pandaren Brewmaster disproves your claims of Pandaria being a movie knock off. He was in Warcraft since Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne (2003). Kung Fu Panda (2008). SEE! Kung Fu Panda is a Warcraft 3 knock off.

Anyway, didn't a ton of TES players asked for this? At least thats what I remember when it was announced.

Try Just Cause 2's MMO mod thing. Way more FUN!
 

delroland

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It's been said, but to reiterate, WoW didn't rip off "Kung Fu Panda". Pandaren monks were part of "Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne" which had come out five years before "Kung Fu Panda".
 

Necris Omega

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Yeah... the Pandaren = Kung Fu Panda joke? That was such a low hanging fruit that it doesn't even qualify as fruit - it's more like a potato, the kind that's plagued with fungus and prompts the mass exodus of Ireland to the opposite hemisphere. It doesn't matter so much that it was entirely wrong, what's wrong was that it was entirely lame. Sure, not every joke can be a hit, but that was so devoid of wit it made the rest of the review seem dimmer just for containing it.

I don't ask that you have an encyclopedic knowledge on the games you review - I don't come for that. I come for the fast talking speedboat of hilarious entertainment. That, however, was more like dipping your arse in off the side of a dingy and farting like the fate of the world rested in it hearing the vast wisdom of your colon.
 

gamegod25

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Let's face it the ES world is a pretty generic medieval fantasy setting, and in a genre full of generic medieval fantasy games it just raises the question of "why mmo" even more. It doesn't bring anything new in terms of gameplay so it's just another bland mmo experience that most gamers will get bored of pretty quickly.
 

Lapin Logic

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and to add insult, the game costs a fortune to buy, and the subscription too. its not really the elder scrolls anymore, couldnt they have just put co op in a normal elder scrolls?
 

springheeljack

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See that is how I felt when I heard they going to make it into an MMO....why? Why not just make an elder scrolls game?
I want to see what Elsweyr and Black Marsh looked like or Hammerfell
 

Raioken18

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Antsh said:
I always hear that it is awful to play games like this from Australia. Kinda sucks.
You have no idea. With overseas servers and Australia's already crappy internet...
It's been a problem since WOW where you'd need to pre-act to an aoe/debuff/damage and hope you were right.

So while in Skyrim I could easily take on multiple enemies and come out on top, in ESO beta stress test I struggled to dodge basic aoe's due to the latency. Since it was getting me near killed at such low levels (up to 10) I was pretty confident that it would be unplayable at higher levels.
 

Shamanic Rhythm

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IrisNetwork said:
Pandaren Brewmaster disproves your claims of Pandaria being a movie knock off. He was in Warcraft since Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne (2003). Kung Fu Panda (2008). SEE! Kung Fu Panda is a Warcraft 3 knock off.
And what exactly was remotely 'Kung Fu' about the Pandaren Brewmaster? The coat, hat and the staff are all that come to mind.

His abilities were "Drunken Brawler", "Drunken Haze", "Breath of Fire" and "Storm, Earth and Fire". Not much of that suggests 'Kung Fu', more like 'vague smattering of Asian stereotypes inexplicably blended with alcohol', which really just goes to show that it was one of Blizzard's more poorly executed April Fool's Jokes.

OT: Consider me entirely un-surprised that it suffers from all the usual MMO bugbears. I think the last line sums it up perfectly.
 

seule

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The panda joke... I laughed not because of the joke, but because I immediately thought "gee, i imagine there's going to be a bazillion people correct him on that one."

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