Zero Punctuation: The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword

[ACman]

This is not a subjective opinion, it is a statement whose validity can, in fact, be measured and tested....and proven wholly false.
Is it any wonder that I'd make a plea for more objectivity when it's become very obvious that there is absolutely none remaining?

He actually states "Despite graphical changes and game play tweaks.... same game." Your list of gameplay tweak does not change the fact that every game since OOT is a slight change from the last one.

And he doesn't hate the Zelda series. He quite likes Wind-Waker and the Gamecube version of Twilight Princess.

And he doesn't hate Nintendo, he hates rereleasing the same IP over and over with minor graphical/gameplay changes. It's a valid opinion. Not an opinion I agree with but a valid opinion. And Motion controls, he hates motion controls.

And you seem to be clinging to the remarkably stupid idea that reviewers should ignore their own opinion. What is he supposed to do? Visit metacritic before writing? Why even review the game.

And You're forgetting that he makes these reviews from a comedy standpoint.

And he shits on 90% of the games he plays. Why would you expect him to stop here.

And I wonder why you would care so much about one particular opinion of a game.

 

[Gainrrom]

We're not defending him, he can do it himself if he feels like it. We're just using the quote to underscore how distressed fanboys get when a guy reviews a game. We quote this and laugh at you, that's all.

Your post is especially amusing because, at the time of my original post, I hadn't even played Skyward Sword.

Distressed fanboy indeed. Hard to be a fan of a game I haven't played yet, isn't it?

Sounds to me like your post is actually saying "I don't know what I'm talking about, so I'll slap the fanboy label on you in a pathetic attempt to invalidate your differing opinion".

Yahtzee is factually incorrect on several points, as those who have played the game (and those like myself, who have not but are at least INFORMED about the game and how it plays), and when people point this out, they're immediately dismissed as fanboys by people whose only knowledge of the title is that it's a Zelda game. The only ones who should be laughing are us, not you. Unless you're laughing at your own lack of experience and knowledge of the game. In which case, please continue.

[snip snip snip]

*Yawn*

So you hadn't played the game, yet took sides based on...? And you claimed to be informed, based on? Oh that's right, nothing but other people's claims.

And what do we call people who take sides about a game by basing themselves on nothing but others' claims about said game, especially when those people insist on the importance of having "experience" and "knowledge" of the game?

That's right: we call them fanboys. That's you.

Moving right along... and I'm still laughing at you, because you're wasting your time writing those "novels" of yours. Keep at it.

 

[ACman]

blah blah blah

You clearly care quite a bit as demonstrated by your compulsion to write 1000s of words outlining your opinion.

ITS A GAME. A VERY SUCCESSFUL GAME. YOU HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS OF SAID GAME. YAHTZEE'S OPINION IS NOT GOING TO HURT ZELDA. GET OVER IT.

You're acting like he's taken the opposing view in the abortion debate.

 

[daxterx2005]

I laughed so hard at "starved inbred kittens"

 

[ACman]

You clearly care quite a bit as demonstrated by your compulsion to write 1000s of words outlining your opinion.

I apologize, I was not aware that you didn't like to read long posts that politely and maturely dismiss your points.

Allow me to summarize it, then: You're wrong, Yahtzee's wrong, and I hope you have a pleasant day.

How can he be wrong? He's played the games in the series; he has an opinion of them informed by that. You have a different opinion.

It also seems strange to say that only people who like Zelda or know the entirety of Zelda Canon can review a Zelda game. Isn't that a demand for bias on your part?

 

[Faladorian]

Except that barring the CDI games, I think he's dead on. Skyward Sword is easily the least inspired of the series, even though the crazy Zelda fanboys will ignore that fact. Especially when he uses the examples of the newer Kirby games, which are constantly doing new and interesting things.

Nintendo has been pumping out the same Zelda game pretty much since Link to the Past, with Wind Waker being enough of an offshoot to not mind. What is grim is my favorite Zelda game isn't even made by Nintendo. (Capcom's Minish Cap, fuck yeah.)

Zelda fan since childhood here.. Skyward Sword is, without question, the worst Zelda game out there. At least 3D one. I really hated the Oracle of Seasons/Ages games. SO BORING.

Also, Minish Cap was probably the best GameBoy Advance game, right next to (in my opinion) Metroid Fusion.

 

[GrimHeaper]

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Could you please stop trying to spark up a flame war that ended a week ago.

mass argumentum ad ignorantiam He's correcting them and is right in doing so. It's important to be educated in all things.

It's not very nice of you and it's already been clearly established that Nintendo fanboys are not capable of rational argument or listening to either facts or opinions.

Argumentum ad populum look it up.

If you want to go and play with motion controls, go ahead, no one cares. Just don't expect everybody to join in your love for swatting a stick in your living room, just like I don't expect everybody to join in my love for being tied, gagged and whipped; it just isn't everybody's thing.

Red herring and Ad hominem.

 

[GrimHeaper]

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Could you please stop trying to spark up a flame war that ended a week ago.

mass argumentum ad ignorantiam He's correcting them and is right in doing so. It's important to be educated in all things.

It's not very nice of you and it's already been clearly established that Nintendo fanboys are not capable of rational argument or listening to either facts or opinions.

Argumentum ad populum look it up.

If you want to go and play with motion controls, go ahead, no one cares. Just don't expect everybody to join in your love for swatting a stick in your living room, just like I don't expect everybody to join in my love for being tied, gagged and whipped; it just isn't everybody's thing.

Red herring and Ad hominem.

Wow. Your mastery of Wikipedia has disarmed me. I'm still not willing to argue. What does that tell you? I would try and outwit you using other logical fallacies you are guilty of and pointing out the ones you don't understand but use anyway, however I won't waste anymore of my time to stoop to that level of immaturity.

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Could you please stop trying to spark up a flame war that ended a week ago.

mass argumentum ad ignorantiam He's correcting them and is right in doing so. It's important to be educated in all things.

It's not very nice of you and it's already been clearly established that Nintendo fanboys are not capable of rational argument or listening to either facts or opinions.

Argumentum ad populum look it up.

If you want to go and play with motion controls, go ahead, no one cares. Just don't expect everybody to join in your love for swatting a stick in your living room, just like I don't expect everybody to join in my love for being tied, gagged and whipped; it just isn't everybody's thing.

Red herring and Ad hominem.

Wow. Your mastery of Wikipedia has disarmed me. I'm still not willing to argue. What does that tell you? I would try and outwit you using other logical fallacies you are guilty of and pointing out the ones you don't understand but use anyway, however I won't waste anymore of my time to stoop to that level of immaturity.

I used them all correctly and hardly said enough for there to be any fallacies.
I pointed out she/he was correcting them(their fallacies)and she/he was doing so there is no fallacy in that.

And no it isn't wikipedia this kind of thing is used for fictional or otherwise debates and pointing out faults in logic when in such debates.
http://www.factpile.com/2812-factpile-debating-rules/
All you had to do was look them up to see your own flaws and admit them which is far more mature.

 

[GrimHeaper]

Now why is this such a big deal? Because he has gone on record as saying that he's never played OoT.

I think he played the remake.

 

[ACman]

How can he be wrong? He's played the games in the series; he has an opinion of them informed by that. You have a different opinion.

I am not saying his opinion is wrong, I'm saying that arguing that Skyward Sword is the "same game" as OoT is wrong. Which it is.

It also seems strange to say that only people who like Zelda or know the entirety of Zelda Canon can review a Zelda game. Isn't that a demand for bias on your part?

If a reviewer references a previous title in the franchise as an example of what they don't like in a game, then yes, I do expect them to know what the hell they're talking about. Otherwise you end up with stuff like this:

"I don't like how Uncharted 4's plot plays out. I much prefer the plot of Uncharted 3, in which Drake is abducted by the aliens from Indiana Jones who take him to the Aperture Science labs to do tests with Chell."

"Diablo 3's new mechanics don't work very well. I prefer Diablo 2's gameplay, in which players would take turns moving their heroes around on a chess board."

And other similarly cringe-worthy statements.

A reviewer who is uninformed of the subject they're talking about should not be given any credence whatsoever. It is a reviewer's job to get informed and to provide an informed opinion of something because that is what they are paid to do. And please, don't use the exhausting excuse of "he's not a reviewer, he's a critic", since we both know that the two are the same thing.

Now why is this such a big deal? Because he has gone on record as saying that he's never played OoT. He has played Phantom Hourglass, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, and now Skyward Sword. Yet in both his TP and SS reviews, he claims that they are the same as OoT....even though he has never played it before. How can he possibly reference OoT as an example of what SS does wrong when he doesn't know a single thing about the game?

If Yahtzee had not dragged the tired, beaten-to-death excuse that SS is "just like OoT" into the discussion, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. I'd have just enjoyed the review and laughed, disagreed, and went back to playing the game anyways. It's entirely his own fault (and perhaps partially yours) that I'm still here, defending the game against a blatantly false statement.

He has played OoT. He's even got a review of it. A review where he first brings up his point that OoT just feels like the blueprint for the following games. To paraphrase yourself - Why don't you get informed on the subject you're talking about?

I think his point is that he'd like to see the Zelda formula applied to something less tired than the Zelda story format. Something say, like, for example, a story about magic wolf who paints spells with a magic brush.

And if you actually watch the review he does more that complain about it being similar to it's predecessors. He complains about there being less exploration and that the dungeon bosses aren't as well designed.

And to define what "review" as if a reviewer were legally required to do anything is stupid. If you want reviews with "credibility" (whatever the fuck that is) there's the reviews page of the escapist, or IGN, or EDGE. And even they have to put up with retarded arguments like "They don't know what they're talking about." or "They didn't review the game properly." Or "They're biased."

 

[ACman]

Not on this website, he doesn't.

Umm....

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/3780-The-Legend-of-Zelda-Ocarina-of-Time-3D

Your round bro.

 

[Davidm4]

"When you look at reviews from your local movie critic, do you dive into the last 20 years of his review history"

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[ACman]

You actually think Yahtzee has credibility as compared to major sites like IGN?

Very rarely does Zero Punctuation provide any consumer advice.

And I think your have fundamentally misunderstood my argument. My suggestion is that if you want dry formal review that you should stick to IGN. Why the fuck would you demand it from a 5 minute comedy video?

If a comedian writes a light, witty, op-ed piece in a newspaper do you get offended because it was irreverent and didn't take the topic seriously?

 

[ACman]

As someone who has played a grand total of three Zelda titles (including SS), I can say it's a total load of bollocks.

If we are counting, Yahtzee's actually played 5 Zelda titles so he's got you beaten there.