NewClassic said:
FNGLHR said:
Okay, that does it. I was GOING to keep watching this series and give you a chance, one more chance. But you know what, you fucked it up. You know why Yahtzee, this:
"The main reason its hard to sympathize with her is because she's well... evil"
I'm not going to debate whether or not she is. Thats not the point of this. You have different tastes, everyone does. But after this... I'm beginning to wonder if you're being honest or you're just making shit up to see how many pissed off fan boys you can get on the boards.
You don't sympathize with Croft because she's apparently evil for stealing artifacts and killing those in her way, fair enough. Saints Row 2's main character... hmmm... lets see. Murder, robbery, mindless violence, cop killing, keeping a city from getting rid of its deplorable crime infestation, no real stated motive other then being a bad ass, uses an innocent cocktail waitress as a sheild to save himself from getting shot up by a bunch of thugs and in the end reveals he did it all because he's an all around in general asshole who just likes killing people for fun.
One thing I'd like to point out is that you're comparing these two characters out of context. The world of Stillwater (Saints Row 2) is largely satirical, with the plot and events being over-the-top in a sort of Godfather and Early GTA series sort of way. It's the sort of world that has a laugh at its own expense.
Because of this, the maniacal protagonist is just as over-the-top as the setting, while still framing itself with the narrative of Saints Row 2, and being absurd, Hollywood-esque, and fun.
Contrast that with Lara Croft, an archeologist who is competing with other archeologists in a very realistic universe. The bizarre, wacky, and colorful tone is not prevalent (or at all present [http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a395/NewClassic/Kittens/scratch_me.jpg]) in Tomb Raider. It is written as a bit of modern fiction. Whereas Saints Row is written as a satire and parody.
By the same criteria, have a look at Solid Snake from the Metal Gear series, and compare him to the main character from the Metal Slug Series. The comparison is ill-fit, because the universes are so wholly different. I appreciate the logic and effort, but the circle peg cannot be judged invalid because it is being shoved through the square hole.
Its the same thing, it doesn't matter how satirical or colorful the world is. The fact is Lara Croft can't get away with killing stuff where the plot describes her adversaries as villains. Whereas the Saints Row's main character can in Yahtzee's eyes.
Metal Gear and Metal Slug DO NOT COUNT because the damn games both allow you to play as good guys, one that just makes things go over the top more then usual. And even Metal Gear devolves into self-parody sometimes.
It doesn't matter whether or not its modern fiction or satire/parody, the fact is the main character of Saint's Row 2 is a fucking degenerate! It doesn't matter if he's placed in stupid silly situations or made ultra serious and realistic. He is not, by Yahtzee's standards, just another guy trying to have fun!
And that wasn't my point, like so many you continue to miss the point. My point is, Yahtzee has no standards when it comes to these games. This review proves that. He is only in it to see how many fan boys he can piss off in one video. I cannot honestly trust a reviewer who will just say anything because he wants to act like an asshole for attention. He rarely gives good reviews, when he does no body seems to like them as much. Over time he's just devolved into "Lets see how I can make this game seem like its the worst I've ever played so its fan base will send me that hate mail and ramp up my viewer count."
I cannot honestly believe that he actually thinks Saints Row 2's main character is more sympathetic then Niko Bellic or Lara Croft. It doesn't matter if its satire, he can still find more to like about that character then others who are far more deserving of praise. He only said those things because he knew it would piss people off if he talked about how a mediocre clone game was better then GTA IV... which it isn't. Saint's Row 2 is a stupid clone of a far superior game, that is nothing more then a huge pointless shoot-em up that does nothing to advance gaming as an artform but simply degrades it. The game falls into all the stereotypes people label GTA with. Its characters are painfully 2 dimensional and all of them are extremely unlikable.
Explain to me WHY I should want to help these people take back Stillwater? So THEY can sell the drugs and kill everybody?
The point I'm trying to make, and repeating over and over again because you're yet another person who doesn't get it, is Yahtzee doesn't care about giving a game its due anymore, he only cares about being as outrageous as possible. Its why he gave a "Good ridance" to Metal Gear solid 4, gave a huge friggin finger to almost every game he reviewed this year and stuck Saints Row 2 with his game of the year award. He wanted to piss people off, he didn't care about being an informative reviewer. He doesn't care about the games anymore, its all about how many people he can give the finger to.
i did get your point and i am not saing that you are wrong or something. all i was saing is, that you repeated your self a lot. nothing else.
anyway, we are talking about the same thing and agree with each other. so let's not argue about it. OK?
Yes, okay. Fine. Perhaps I over reacted. I'm sorry if I took your words the wrong way and apologize for what I said to you. I didn't understand that you sorta agreed with me. I'm sorry for attacking you the way I did. It was wrong of me.
