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Stabby Joe

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Late response but I haven't played Kane and Lynch and despite all the hate I doubt I would hate it as much... again, as much.

As for Just Cause 2, good point. I actually found myself playing it a lot, perhaps the most this year... so of course a game can still be fun without being "cinematic, compelling etc".
 

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Moffman said:
MulticolorCharizard said:
After the Kane & Lynch review it would be impossible to surprise me with your number one worst, I was however surprised with bioshock 2 over say Singularity, Alpha Protocol or Dante's Inferno.
I think it was the fact that it was not as good as the original and clearly a money spin that ticked him off :)
I can understand that, It's a cash in, and the original was enourmously superior, but as a game, nothing more, it wasnt too insulting.
 

Chunko

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I wonder if Yahtzee got bribed to pick Just Cause 2. (I wouldn't judge him for it, I'd probably do the exact same thing).
 

iamultraman

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That is it. I cannot take it any longer. It is as if I've seen some great evil in an alleyway, perhaps a Lovecraftian ritual gone wrong though I'm not entirely sure that would fit in an alleyway.

Bioshock 2 was bad, and I'm relieved the discussion is out on this again. For someone who played the first game to death (I am a fan and I guess that is enough reason to chop my tongue out but take hold on your Shakespearean fetishes) it feels like the sequel missed the point entirely like a man, aiming a target, shot the Moon if the target was not on the Moon for metaphor's sake.

It is difficult to malign Bioshock 2 for stagnating, because the gameplay was an improvement on every level; at times of action the momentary arena was frantic using lighting and water to direct a sense of claustrophobia, the culmination of this at the end of the game. That's really much it, but set pieces are so crucial for gameplay; Uncharted 2 exemplifies this, using its environments to convey despair (the battle succeeding the train crash), aggression (the train level), and monotony (the goddamn museum level).

The true problem Bioshock 2 has, the ants in the seams of its patchwork, a terrible story. Genuinely. A good story is something that makes you feel good at the end, not something that utilizes a bunch of themes and morals in an attempt to be a good story. A good story is like Endgame, because the audience, at the end of the play, doesn't completely understand the events going on, but appreciates Beckett's mastery of dialogue. A good story is like Macbeth, because of the smooth, articulate language Shakespeare employs. A good story is like Bioshock, because of Levine's artful ways in producing utter destruction, if not in the scenery then in the human body, the human mind, and the human soul. Going through Bioshock is to enter a macrocosmic world beyond your own enclosures; you are nothing but a grain of sand in a desert, there are forces much greater than you are, which leads me to my next point.

It is nearly primal to assume a higher power in an attempt to absorb the minutiae of the universe, though science has dimished that instinct. The introduction of Bioshock destroyed all scientific reasoning, logically, as it ushered onto you a palace underwater. Whether faithful or not all gods or rationality were obliterated. You had entered a blighted area where nature did not reside over. The instinct pops up, and you accepted a new authority; the messenger god, Atlas, the fertility god, Tenenbaum, the trickster god, Fontaine, or the head honcho, the storm god, Andrew Ryan. Rapture isn't simply a place of sin, it's a place of myth and wonder; it's a modern-day Narnia (I can't think of a fantastical place without confusing it with its real-life counterpart, WHATEVER). It probably does what other games tied to the fantasy genre do worse, which is make the player feel like a real hero (except for the ending, Je-sus moral choice systems are terrible).

So here was your flaw 2K Marin: you said Gomorrah, I say Olympus, and I would say other things if I cared to, really. Point is if you don't want your fingers to be chopped off at least use them to write a thesis paper on the game first, and it is quite valid to tell me that that it is synonymous to write a dissertation on Thomas the Train, but I rather you wouldn't.
 

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So exactly what did you think was wrong with Bioshock 2's story...? I got lost among your metaphors.

If your problem is that the main storyline was the /only/ thing, and that you weren't a "grain of sand in a macrocosm" then I'd have to disagree. It's easy enough to just look around and see that the state of the city has changed, that the splicers have adapted and altered the environment to better survive. There are potential stories in every stray corpse you pass. Clearly the developers cared very much and put in a lot of effort to make it seem like the city was still functioning even as it was dying.

Regarding the fact that it didn't make you feel like as much of a hero... I can't say that much for fear of spoiling those who still might want to play it, but not all games are going to end with a dramatic fiery shootout. I still get teary whenever I get the good or neutral endings.
 

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I can see why some of the games you liked were in the top 5, but out of the games I have played this year, I wouldn't have chosen Just Cause 2. I understand it is a fantastic sandbox game, but nothing else. The game had some serious flaws in the physics department. It was invigorating to jump from planes and free fall. It was fun to use the parachute...until I learned when shooting at the ground with the grappling hook after about 3000 feet of free fall was an acceptable way to land and go about your day without the parachute. On another note, the extreme ragdoll physics seem to be a little much for me, as well. The last problem I have with Just Cause 2 is the story line. It isn't very deep and it is hard to be immersed into the story without seeing some repetitive action going on. I put in hours just jumping from planes and shooting people until I shot the grappling hook at the ground.

A fantastic sandbox game! That is it.
 

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I'm really surprised to see he liked Red Dead. His review of it and Extra Punctuation follow-up made it sound like he didn't care about it that much.
 

camazotz

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Wow....I now regret not picking up Just Cause 2 on the Steam sale, if only because I couldn't quite bring myself to buy it after experiencing (suffering through) the original Just Cause....damn!


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Nooooo....probably not. Every retarded video of that game I saw just made me wonder why they had decided to take cartoon physics and root it in what look like a "real world" simulation. Naw, I just couldn't get over that.

I really wish Rockstar would produce RRR for the PC....ah well.....
 

Mortdestro

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Aw. No Mass Effect 2? Cry. Good picks on both ends though. I didn't like Dead Rising 1, but maybe I'll give 2 a try. I'm just not a fan of repetitive gameplay with no plot to make me care.
 

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Other M, while the voice actress sucked and came off as a whiney *****, the story resembled metroid fusion with updated graphics and the game play actually was meant to be reminescant of the older games. So saying the gameplay sucked is a copout criticism that only comes from Metroid Prime lovers... and if people complain about having to search for powers? Thats how it pretty much is in EVERY METROID GAME. Not only this but the part of the story I liked was the orgin of Ridley... Also anyone that bitches about samus speaking is talking out of their ass...so, samus as a person is unable to talk? In Metroid Fusion SHE HAD A DAMNED INNER MONOLOGUE only it was in text and thats because it was void of any voice acting at all.. Other M takes place pretty much before Metroid Fusion and after super metroid.. it explains samus' relationship with adam.

You can complain about the voice actor and the dialogue in other m (when it applies to the inaccurate personality profile of samus)...but if you complain about the story or the gameplay, either you've only played the Metroid Prime trilogy, OR you're just full of shit.
 

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teh_Canape said:
I must be the only one who actually likes Bioshock 2
Nope, cuz I liked it too.

Bioshock 2's biggest problem was that it was a sequel to Bioshock. If it had been a stand-alone title, it would have been awesome.
 

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Anchupom said:
I'm quite disappointed that Super Meat Boy didn't make it to the top 5... Ah well, I guess Yahtzee doesn't really like platformers though.

Who'd have thought it, seeing his top 3 are sandboxes? :D
He didn't review it, so why would he include it?
 

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RobPsyence said:
Also anyone that doesn't find Amnesia scary is either a sociopath or have aspergers...
Yeah because I'm to scared to play it (even I have it on my pc) I instead watched a walkthrough on youtube and even then I was scared shitless.
 

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I wanted Other M, but almost everything that ever existed wants me to think it sucks. I've heard serious character derailment for Samus, I've heard glitches that potentially make progressing impossible... the list goes on.
 

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Madara XIII said:
Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
Lordpils said:
Srdjan Tanaskovic said:
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Well I didn't except Yahtzee to hate Other M that much
That game pissed me off so royally that when he mentioned it I went into a rant to everyone nearby about how fucking offensive that game was and how much I think Team Ninja should just fucking stay away from game franchises with female protagonists. Other M is one of the very few games that I call outright sexist I hate Team Ninja for Other M.
If I don't control myself I'll make a 3000 word essay right here about my hatred towards this game so I'm gonna stop there.
Team Ninja didn't have anything to do with the story. And Just what makes it sexist? that Samus takes order from a man? by that logic the army is full of racist people
Fair enough Team ninja had nothing to do with the story, but you wanna know what makes it sexist? How about Samus going from silent protagonist who is effectively just an asskicker to a whining emotional wreck who won't do a fucking thing until she's told it's okay. A submissive character who won't shut the fuck up and who cracks under pressure at the first sign of conflict they not only retconned Samus they retconned her into something she is the exact opposite of. Other M's story was melodramatic bullshit Metroid prime 3: Corruption had an emotional moment at the end that put every line of dialog in Other M to shame. God dammit I want to stop talking about that piece of shit!
I could go on and say tha tyou are wrong. But I will not
Actually he's correct on every aspect. At what point in any Metroid game did you see Samus unable to handle a mission? NONE! But here they decide to throw all that bravery out the window, despite the fact that this takes place after Metroid Prime 1 in which she took on Pirates, Chozo Ghosts, Giant Plants and Rocks, Genetically enhanced pirates, Metroids, Ridley (The Monster that killed her Family) and even the Ultimate Metroid. All without having to monolouge a single flippin' thing or becoming emotionally distraught and needing the comforting voice of her bastardized boyfriend to tell her it's ok.

Basically Other M, turned Samus from a Badass into a little girl. SCREW YOU TEAM NINJA!!
As Srd already said (in the post you yourself quoted), Team Ninja did the gameplay and had little to nothing to do with the story. The stuff you hated so much? Lay that squarely at the feet of Nintendo.
 

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Onyx Oblivion said:
*is still in shock that Final Fantasy 13 wasn't considered his worst*

Just Cause 2 is something I can see as GOTY, though.

I did go for 100%, and then gave up around 45%. Huge game is huge.

I still liked FF13 and Bioshock 2, though.
I gave up on 100% as soon as I found a collectable at the bottom of the ocean. No I am NOT fucking kidding. The ones in the middle of the jungles are bad enough but at the bottom of the ocean? GAAAH!
 

Onyx Oblivion

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Mr Companion said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
*is still in shock that Final Fantasy 13 wasn't considered his worst*

Just Cause 2 is something I can see as GOTY, though.

I did go for 100%, and then gave up around 45%. Huge game is huge.

I still liked FF13 and Bioshock 2, though.
I gave up on 100% as soon as I found a collectable at the bottom of the ocean. No I am NOT fucking kidding. The ones in the middle of the jungles are bad enough but at the bottom of the ocean? GAAAH!
Thank god the achievements/trophy is only for 75% completion.
 

Havzad

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i think im the only one who 100% agrees with everything yahtzee has said about bioshock 2, just by personal opinion
i loved this review!! but it only serves to make me angrier that i don't have a pas3 to play RDR!!