Zero Punctuation: Torchlight
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To quibble in re: the three rooms/copy paste thing, *all* of the levels are randomly generated, so there is that. Also you can just hold down the mouse button instead of clicking until your fingers fall off if you prefer.
Incorrect. Obviously you never played the actual game.ben---neb said:
Get the demo, try it, make youtube video if you want, but the man is right last time I checked.
Actually I find Torchlight and similar games almost Zenlike in their combination of depth and simplicity. Truthfully I HAVE been waiting for the "Diablo" type genere to grow up to become as deep and complex as some of the roguelike games out there. One of the problems I have with the "Random dungeon loot-a-thon" is that it seems that as soon as someone adds graphics to the equasion (as opposed to working totally in ASCII and maybe later adding some kind of pathetic tile generator) they lose the abillity to achieve any kind of serious depth. Ever since Diablo or attempts like "Dungeon Hack" (the Forgotten Realms one in first person) I've sort of been hoping someone would actually take the time to create something with decent graphics that is more akin to "Adom" or whatever version "Nethack" is up to now. Of course then again we have my favorite roguelike nowadays which is called "Gearhead", which pretty much demonstrates how you *should* do a giant robot based CRPG, if someone was to pick that up for professional development and graphics design I imagine it would sell decently and probably achieve the classic status of things like "Xenogears".
That said, given Yahtzee's opinion of RPGs in general it doesn't susprise me he doesn't like the Diablo-esque action-RPG genere either. Though I admit he is on the money about a lot of things.
Ironically I will also mention that in playing an Alchemist on "Normal" in getting up to like level 29 I managed to die 6 times (I think). I'd find it funny if Yahtzee is unusually good at these things despite hating them.
Strictly speaking it does make me wonder what he'd consider a good balance for an action RPG. He criticized "Demon's Souls" for being too brutal, and Torchlight for being too easy. Most games that I feel fill a middle ground between those two extremes (neither of which is terrible) seem to get panned by him even more heavily.
That said, given Yahtzee's opinion of RPGs in general it doesn't susprise me he doesn't like the Diablo-esque action-RPG genere either. Though I admit he is on the money about a lot of things.
Ironically I will also mention that in playing an Alchemist on "Normal" in getting up to like level 29 I managed to die 6 times (I think). I'd find it funny if Yahtzee is unusually good at these things despite hating them.
Strictly speaking it does make me wonder what he'd consider a good balance for an action RPG. He criticized "Demon's Souls" for being too brutal, and Torchlight for being too easy. Most games that I feel fill a middle ground between those two extremes (neither of which is terrible) seem to get panned by him even more heavily.
i liked torchligth for 5 bucks! nothing new, just plain old-school diablo fun!
Maybe if they put more work in the loading screen when you past a level. Book + text don't make a good history.
Maybe if they put more work in the loading screen when you past a level. Book + text don't make a good history.
First I beleive that he often does his best to be proffessioanl and play enough of a game and a 10h campaign isnt bad.LobsterMobster said:While I can appreciate Yahtzee's trademark snark and venom, I did notice that he said he played it for at least 10 hours. That's a lot of time to put in to a game that's only better than an ice cream if it's buried under gravel/only accessible via straw.
The thing is, most of Yahtzee's complaints about it could be applied to any game in the genre. He'd might as well say, "this game is ridiculous and stupid because you get five guns that all shoot bullets and I don't even like shooting bullets to begin with." If that's not your thing, you won't like FPS's.
Second clicking for EACH AND EVERY ATTACK is a pain. imagine playing CoD while having to press the trigger once per bullet. Not fun.
Huh, I'm mildly worried to see that the Diablo-tradition in RPGs has somehow been resurrected when I had hoped it had been properly staked in the heart 3 or 4 years ago. Why oh why are these things still being made? Why would you go and make an RPG that focuses on the two worst elements of the genre (loot and grinding)?
Btw Yahtzee, still waiting for a good Borderlands bashing.
Btw Yahtzee, still waiting for a good Borderlands bashing.
I thought the same thing.KDR_11k said:
Seems to me like Yahtzee should also complain about Diablo 2, Dungeon Siege and other... Diablo clones about being clicky.
And yet it was a huge commercial success, big enough to convince the developers to make an MMO.SnootyEnglishman said:
He'll complain how it's not customizable enough and how you have to click too often and how stats determine BLU BLUE BLUERGH.LornMind said:
Let's face it - Yahtzee doesn't like RPGs or HnS games.
You can hold the mouse button down.crotalidian said:First I beleive that he often does his best to be proffessioanl and play enough of a game and a 10h campaign isnt bad.LobsterMobster said:While I can appreciate Yahtzee's trademark snark and venom, I did notice that he said he played it for at least 10 hours. That's a lot of time to put in to a game that's only better than an ice cream if it's buried under gravel/only accessible via straw.
The thing is, most of Yahtzee's complaints about it could be applied to any game in the genre. He'd might as well say, "this game is ridiculous and stupid because you get five guns that all shoot bullets and I don't even like shooting bullets to begin with." If that's not your thing, you won't like FPS's.
Second clicking for EACH AND EVERY ATTACK is a pain. imagine playing CoD while having to press the trigger once per bullet. Not fun.
Reference to the days quadrilogy with the chained to a wall, nice self reference.
EDIT: Because John was chained into a wall in the cellar the same way, the more you know.
EDIT: Because John was chained into a wall in the cellar the same way, the more you know.
I always find these style of Diablo style game to be most if not entirely fun in multiplayer... which I don't think Torchlight has.
This is the reason World of Warcraft and Diablo were so popular with other lesser games like Sacred 2 being a decent enough game provided the you have an internet connection above a snail's pace.
This is the reason World of Warcraft and Diablo were so popular with other lesser games like Sacred 2 being a decent enough game provided the you have an internet connection above a snail's pace.
I'm surprised some people never heard of this, considering John Funk did a review of "Torchlight" late October. Well if anyone wants more info on the game, check out John Funk's review [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/reviews/6697-Review-Torchlight].
Honestly I was shocked that Yahtzee reviewed this game and was afraid to watch the video (I really love Torchlight). I agree with Yahtzee that there is some "accounting" with the gear, though the controls were not as bad as described by him (not that many mouse clicks).
Thanks for the video though, Yahtzee.
Honestly I was shocked that Yahtzee reviewed this game and was afraid to watch the video (I really love Torchlight). I agree with Yahtzee that there is some "accounting" with the gear, though the controls were not as bad as described by him (not that many mouse clicks).
Thanks for the video though, Yahtzee.
