Zero Punctuation: World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

[Kneel]

This video should serve as a welcome reminder that no matter how entertaining Yahtzee is, he's still a soulless douchebag.

But at least he's not Alliance.

I kid, I kid.

 

[KazOondo]

This video should serve as a welcome reminder that no matter how entertaining Yahtzee is, he's still a soulless douchebag.

But at least he's not Alliance.

I kid, I kid.

Ehhhh, I appreciate a running gag.

 

[Tiswas]

I was surprised to see this actually. Especially more so when it came out over Donkey Kong and Fable. (And Layton and Golden Sun.)

Moreso when he then claimed there were no other games out then XD

 

[Kneel]

Ehhhh, I appreciate a running gag.

Naw, I've seen a ridiculous amount of dickishness on both sides of WoW; I just prefer the Horde aesthetic (well, barring the Forsaken).

Great ZP, incidentally. Can't fault anything that was said (for the record I'm a husband/father who's played since beta in 2004 and raided regularly in Molten Core, Karazhan and the entire of WotLK).

 

[Ekim Takusan]

Oh World of Warcraft, how you ruined my young adult life. Thank goodness I got out while I could. Good review, as always, but in essence didn't Yahtzee just some up all MMORPGs with his statement about numbers? Also Mogworld is THE BEST fantasy novel I've read all year. If you haven't read it yet, I suggest you do so. If your having trouble finding it, ask the clerks to order you a copy. Or buy online.

 

[samaugsch]

I swear, if there's one thing that actually might get me to stop playing WoW it's all the hate I get for preferring the Alliance. Someone want to tell me what the fugg is wrong with the Alliance? You don't ever see us going around rubbing our balls in the faces of people who prefer the Horde, so you can't say it's because we're immature when that's what every Hordie and his mum seems to do.

Maybe they just find the Alliance to be too mundane

With that said, I was a proud blood elf warlock

They don't call us mundane. They call us faggots, losers, immature, or unskilled. The more vocal part of the Horde community is snide, smug, extremely cruel and insensitive, and obviously anything but mature. They try to make it seems SOOOOO important what faction you choose to play. This video should serve as a welcome reminder that no matter how entertaining Yahtzee is, he's still a soulless douchebag.

I just picked Horde instead of Alliance because I wanted an intimidating character and felt that Horde was better at accomplishing this than the Alliance. However, I made the mistake of picking a pcp server and thus was a frequent victim of stupidly high lvl Alliance players. The rogues pissed me off the most because you'll just be sitting there, minding your own business when Bam! Some rogue appears behind you right after one hit killing you. Since you never see him coming, it happens seemingly randomly. Thankfully, I eventually learned to summon felhunters (minions that grant you the paranoia ability) to hopefully discourage some rogues from attempting to sneak up on me. I assume that Alliance players have to deal with this exact same problem so I don't hate Alliance particularly.

 

[KazOondo]

I swear, if there's one thing that actually might get me to stop playing WoW it's all the hate I get for preferring the Alliance. Someone want to tell me what the fugg is wrong with the Alliance? You don't ever see us going around rubbing our balls in the faces of people who prefer the Horde, so you can't say it's because we're immature when that's what every Hordie and his mum seems to do.

Maybe they just find the Alliance to be too mundane

With that said, I was a proud blood elf warlock

They don't call us mundane. They call us faggots, losers, immature, or unskilled. The more vocal part of the Horde community is snide, smug, extremely cruel and insensitive, and obviously anything but mature. They try to make it seems SOOOOO important what faction you choose to play. This video should serve as a welcome reminder that no matter how entertaining Yahtzee is, he's still a soulless douchebag.

I just picked Horde instead of Alliance because I wanted an intimidating character and felt that Horde was better at accomplishing this than the Alliance. However, I made the mistake of picking a pcp server and thus was a frequent victim of stupidly high lvl Alliance players. The rogues pissed me off the most because you'll just be sitting there, minding your own business when Bam! Some rogue appears behind you right after one hit killing you. Since you never see him coming, it happens seemingly randomly. Thankfully, I eventually learned to summon felhunters (minions that grant you the paranoia ability) to hopefully discourage some rogues from attempting to sneak up on me. I assume that Alliance players have to deal with this exact same problem so I don't hate Alliance particularly.

It's to be expected on a PVP server. I haven't spent much time on a server like that, but I'd always imagined the constant danger of being ambushed or ganked was a big part of what made them fun. Gotta' choose a server where the sides are relatively even numbered, though.

 

[KazOondo]

Ehhhh, I appreciate a running gag.

Naw, I've seen a ridiculous amount of dickishness on both sides of WoW; I just prefer the Horde aesthetic (well, barring the Forsaken).

Great ZP, incidentally. Can't fault anything that was said (for the record I'm a husband/father who's played since beta in 2004 and raided regularly in Molten Core, Karazhan and the entire of WotLK).

I'm envious, really. I've only played for about a year and a half, and it was pretty obvious by the time I got going there was a lot I'd missed out on.

 

[Grahav]

This comic on nerfnow is an abridged version of the review:

http://nerfnow.com/comic/450

 

[Sodoff]

"honestly, fuck the Alliance" !!

I have been waiting for a rip on wow for so long!

Hey Yathzee, Gratz.

 

[WarDaft]

Maybe next he'll actually at least try playing SC2...

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We can hope, but it's not very likely. As one of the few games with competitive multiplayer that isn't:
A) Forcing you to depend on other people who could be idiots.
B) Destined to become a wasteland a year after release.
C) Imbalanced.
D) Stuck with a poor quality or even random matching system.
... it would be a really good intro to enjoyable competitive multiplayer for him.

It's also pretty much the only RTS thats really worth playing more than just to see how the campaign ends. In fact SC2's campaign plot is mediocre at best, and has too many ret-cons and inconsistencies for any real fan of the series to abide.

 

[Rofl-Mayo]

I'm amused how many people think Yahtzee liked this game.

He ended up playing for like three months at a time at one point so obviously he enjoys it to a certain extent.

 

[Azabondiia]

That's a lot of responses from people who clearly haven't watch it.

Since I actually did however I've got a question... how does the expansion impact those who don't have it? I haven't played in a few months and am now wondering when I do I'll be on top of a mountain or beneath a whole new town.

Also, Dwarves are the only Alliance race worth playing as haha!

The changes to the original content you get for free - its a patch. But without the Cataclysm expansion you cannot play the new races or level beyond 80, or visit the BRAND new areas that are 80+

If you just own vanilla wow then you get all the revised content of the old world, but are limited to 60 levels.

 

[Swifteye]

Are a collection of gamers seriously here to complain about a single type of game that "has no purpose?" Seriously?

Let me see if I can make this as abundantly clear as possible. Games are pointless. All of them. Some you might feel a more emotional attachment to above others because of superior gameplay, story telling, atmosphere or any other trivial thing that DOES NOT MATTER. Has any game cured hunger? Has any game saved a human life? Has any game cured a disease, ended a famine, or created a new species? Has any game done ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE? No. They're all(ALL) about wasting time. About enjoyment, having fun. They're about making your boring, unfulfilled life feel a little less boring, a little less unfulfilled. If a game has done that, it has served its purpose.

Simply put, if you're going to say that FPS games are in any way less "about numbers" than an MMO, you're doing nothing but kidding yourself about your pathetic life.

Now, I have to go back to ignoring my pathetic life by killing some imaginary monsters in an imaginary universe that will do no more good for the real world than if I had done the EXACT SAME THING in a different imaginary universe.

I think they mean purpose within the game. Maybe i'm completely wrong by using this example but I will anyways. I knew a guy who liked to play games. He's really good at it too. He shows off this one game he likes to play which was a standard jrpg. Well the whole time he was playing it he basically skipped through all the cutscenes and plot developments and everything. You might say because he knows it all and doesn't want to watch the scenes again but upon asking him what the plot is he says he doesn't remember. So why does he play it? Because he likes all the combos he gets to pull off and the high damage he does to the enemy AI.
Now you may see nothing wrong with that but for me I thought it was completely empty to play a game that's supposed to have a story for everything but that. The problem that's percieved in WoW is that instead of having interesting situations talking to colorful people and experiencing a well woven and immersive story line your just on fetch quest and item gathering missions so you can afford more fetch quest and be able to go on more item gathering missions.
You can get much more from that such as friends and of course there has to be the occasional story line and cutscene and after hours and hours of searching and wandering around the world you could get absorbed in it all but from a laymans point of view it just seems like a game without a real purpose.

My point is not that World of Warcraft has more or less purpose behind it than any other. I'm saying that ALL games are equally without purpose. If you're unwilling to allow another person receiving enjoyment from doing what they're doing to mean purpose, then that disqualifies all means of receiving enjoyment. It doesn't matter if that enjoyment comes from working together with real people to meet a goal or using information to become the best at what you do.

Your friend sounds like a person that enjoys puzzles, but puzzles in specific ways. Taking the operating rules before him, he does his best to optimize his output. Is that wrong? Is that enjoyment wrong? Is that beneath your enjoyment of friends and storyline? Is his desire to perfect a craft(all be it an utterly worthless one) somehow inferior to your desire to accomplish a goal with friends? Moreover, who are you to judge?

In the final analysis, games are utterly without purpose beyond the enjoyment they grant. If people find enjoyment from maximizing their abilities in a game, how is that different from enjoying a storyline excepting that the storyline is given to you with no requirements on your part while maximization requires intellectual/dexterous effort?

I don't know. I just wanted to present you with that perspective/opinion when thinking about what you said. I'm not really judging anyone I'm just thinking and feeling.

 

[Kuro Kaze]

one of us! One of us! One Of us! One Of Us!

 

[Nuhvok01]

Your raiding friend raidtard. He is one of those assholes who thinks he is top shit because his gear has a few more number on them than other people. Raiding is supposed to be about the challenge of downing a boss and getting 10/25 people to work together in an epic battle.

on a personal note, I was happy as shit that he also played as an undead mage.

 

[cefm]

He hit the bit about Worgen start-zone content being shit right on the head. Sure there's a half-hearted attempt to create drama by showing the sad evacuation of a cursed and doomed city, but it's fucking BORING! And you can't escape it to do fun stuff - you have to slog through the whole damn thing in order just to get the hell out! I was so immensely pissed when I saw the videos of the goblin starting zone that I wanted to choke myself and Blizzard.

Let's see..... do you want explosions, rockets, parachutes, more explosions, action and humor, or do you want a dreary rainy gray muddy slog from point A to point B?

 

[szaleniec1000]

"Toeyboff" is my new favourite word.

 

[Doclector]

This video pretty much sums up my main problem with warcraft. Aside from the fact that I just can't get into PC gaming and I object to paying for something more than once, (aside from the obvious issue of DLC) I know I'd get addicted to it. Before long, i'd be obeying the calls of some guild to regularly attend raids and make sure I level up in decent sync with the rest of the guild, and in the real world the telephone ringing from college to ask me when I'm coming in and the calls of my parents to get a job would combine into a white noise that I no longer hear amongst the clashes of my fantasy battles.

And by the way, I bought your book yesterday, loving it so far.

 

[Yelchor]

Wherever I go, the media appears oblivious to a rather unique group of players.

Roleplayers.

Sure, WoW has a rather stereotypical copy/pasted setting, but its story is atleast somewhat solid. Which is more than most others offer.

If it wasn't for the roleplaying community, I would have quit years ago. I just find it an easily accessible way to train my literate skills. For me it isn't about the numbers, but how to best portray the character.

But I must say, Blizzard has done a good job at making leveling bearable. When you do not think about how your experience bar goes up while you do missions, you have succeeded I would say.