Zimmerman is recieving donations for his crime.

[TheIronRuler]

He uses really nice words to keep the event as neutral as possible, which is admirable. It's his right to ask for donation and support as the trial is soon to come and he would need to defend his point. He is not guilty, he is accused. Lets see if the courts convict him.
I personally think that there is enough evidence to convict him for at least man-slaughter.

 

[Tanis]

Is "idarkphoenixi" some kind of time traveling wizard?

Cause, you know, in the USA, allegedly, one has to be taken to TRIAL before they're guilty of a crime.

Just because bigots like the 'reverend' Jesse Jackson says someone is guilty doesn't mean that they are.

 

[cookyy2k]

He uses really nice words to keep the event as neutral as possible, which is admirable. It's his right to ask for donation and support as the trial is soon to come and he would need to defend his point. He is not guilty, he is accused. Lets see if the courts convict him.
I personally think that there is enough evidence to convict him for at least man-slaughter.

Personally I think evidence or no he'll be found guilty of murder in a media show trial. How are they to find an impartial jury and what would the fall out be from a not-guilty result? I think the chances of anything other that guilty with a large sentence are very, very low.

 

[anthony87]

Is "idarkphoenixi" some kind of time traveling wizard?

Cause, you know, in the USA, allegedly, one has to be taken to TRIAL before they're guilty of a crime.

Just because bigots like the 'reverend' Jesse Jackson says someone is guilty doesn't mean that they are.

Oh please god tell me that image is legit. I've seen it a few times but with situations like this I tend to remain dubious.

 

[TheIronRuler]

He uses really nice words to keep the event as neutral as possible, which is admirable. It's his right to ask for donation and support as the trial is soon to come and he would need to defend his point. He is not guilty, he is accused. Lets see if the courts convict him.
I personally think that there is enough evidence to convict him for at least man-slaughter.

Personally I think evidence or no he'll be found guilty of murder in a media show trial. How are they to find an impartial jury and what would the fall out be from a not-guilty result? I think the chances of anything other that guilty with a large sentence are very, very low.

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I do not like the jury system, but it could always work in his favor. Be trialed in Florida, Georgia or California, he needs to play his cards well.
You're correct, this whole media circus already made most people certain in his innocence or guiltiness, no evidence in the trial will change that.

 

[Freechoice]

First off I am white.

Second off, this guy deserves to be put into jail.

IF this black 17 year old child threatened his life, why in Gods name is it justified to kill him? He could have fired a warning shot, getting the kid to run away or something. This man KILLED a human being, defense or not, this is a crime and he should be punished.

What if he killed a white 17 year old? Do you think this would continue the way it is going?

I can't help but see that this whole incident is still being treated with disrespect and profiling. The man killed a teenager, case closed, throw the book at him for this act.

How naive, "warning shots" are never supposed to be fired, this isnt Hollywood shit doesn't happen like it does in the movies, and if he was being attacked by Trayvon, then he was well within his right to end the boys life due to the stand your ground law of Florida.

And if he killed a white 17 year old, those idiots at the NAACP wouldn't give a damn about it.

For all we know, he's innocent and just bad at defending himself (with words) and the inverse racism in the US is demonizing him just because he's not black.

Ironic, huh? Don't hear black/minority organizations give a shit when black kids kill other black kids, but they have a shitfit when a white (looking) guy does it. How bout stopping the root cause, huh?

I mean, hell. Boondocks [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E] commented on something like this. 1:44

 

[RJ 17]

Here's a few facts that have been altered/left out regarding this case.

1: Zimmerman is hispanic, not caucasian.

2: The 911 call in which Zimmerman says "It's some kid in a hoody, I think he's black." was altered. NBC deleted a simple question from the calltaker:
Zimmerman: "It's some kid in a hoody."
911 Call Taker: "Is he black, white, or hispanic?"
Zimmerman: "I think he's black."

3: Treyvon isn't the sweet, innocent looking child as depicted in this photo:

Rather, he's the 17 year old in this pic as posted on his Twitter account:

4: Few people are reporting that when the police arrived, Zimmerman was found with a big bloody gash (which can now be seen on enhanced videos that ABC has aired) on the back of his head and a broken and bloody nose.

5: The only eye-witness is reporting that Treyvon jumped Zimmerman as Zimmerman was walking back to his truck.

6: Treyvon's mother has placed a trademark on his name in order to cash in on all the t-shirts and such to support the Martin side of the case.

And just as a side-note...since when is it acceptable in the US to place a Dead or Alive bounty on someone? I'm pretty sure publicly telling people that you'll pay them to kill someone else is against the law. Soooooooooo why aren't the New Black Panthers being investigated and/or prosecuted for issuing such a bounty on Zimmerman? Oh, that's right, our attorney general Eric Holder, as quoted when he was investigated for not prosecuting the NBP for voter intimidation in 2008, "Will not go after (his) people."

 

[idarkphoenixi]

Is "idarkphoenixi" some kind of time traveling wizard?

Cause, you know, in the USA, allegedly, one has to be taken to TRIAL before they're guilty of a crime.

Just because bigots like the 'reverend' Jesse Jackson says someone is guilty doesn't mean that they are.

I don't need Jesse Jackson to tell me what to do. The evidence against Zimmerman is unquestionable.
There are 911 recordings made by other people in the neighbourhood while the murder was still taking place. In the background you can clearly hear a young boy screaming and pleading for his life, silenced suddenly by a gunshot. In the 911 call made by Zimmerman himself, he is given strict instructions NOT to chase after Trayvon, he does it anyway. Making him the aggresor. Muttering the words "fucking 'coons" under his breath during the call also doesn't help.
Zimmerman claims that the kid pounced on him like an animal and was mercilessly punching his face, slamming his head in the concrete and saying "I'll kill you!". For one, this contradicts the eyewitness testimonies. Secondly, the video evidence of him in the police station proves his story wrong since he has no visable injuries that would suggest 'being beaten within an inch of his life'. He also had no blood on his clothes, which also proves he was not lying on the ground with Trayvon on top of him.




There is no neutral ground here. Change the pictures if you want but that doesn't change what happened. Also, that 'gangster' is NOT Trayvon.

 

[Rawne1980]

Doesn't generally stop America from getting him though does it? Hell you don't even have to be in America when you commit a crime that's not against the county you're in's laws and they can still get you extradited apparently...

Depends what country you flee to.

Quite a few countries in EU have told the US to piss off when they have called for someone to be extradited.

Especially if they try and have one of that countries citizens dragged over.

Even my own beloved UK is a bit wary about letting the US get it's hands on anyone.

A lot of countries refuse to allow a prisoner or accused person to be extradited to a country that has the death penalty.

I'm eating a kebab at the minute but when i'm done i'll look up where I found that before.

 

[RJ 17]

Is "idarkphoenixi" some kind of time traveling wizard?

Cause, you know, in the USA, allegedly, one has to be taken to TRIAL before they're guilty of a crime.

Just because bigots like the 'reverend' Jesse Jackson says someone is guilty doesn't mean that they are.

I don't need Jesse Jackson to tell me what to do. The evidence against Zimmerman is unquestionable.
There are 911 recordings made by other people in the neighbourhood while the murder was still taking place. In the background you can clearly hear a young boy screaming and pleading for his life, silenced suddenly by a gunshot. In the 911 call made by Zimmerman himself, he is given strict instructions NOT to chase after Trayvon, he does it anyway. Making him the aggresor. Muttering the words "fucking 'coons" under his breath during the call also doesn't help.
Zimmerman claims that the kid pounced on him like an animal and was mercilessly punching his face, slamming his head in the concrete and saying "I'll kill you!". For one, this contradicts the eyewitness testimonies. Secondly, the video evidence of him in the police station proves his story wrong since he has no visable injuries that would suggest 'being beaten within an inch of his life'. He also had no blood on his clothes, which also proves he was not lying on the ground with Trayvon on top of him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmnqKotpSD0



There is no neutral ground here. Change the pictures if you want but that doesn't change what happened. Also, that 'gangster' is NOT Trayvon.

Actually in the original police report from the scene, it is mentioned that Zimmerman had a broken and bloody nose as well as a large bloody gash on the back of his head which is indeed visible when the video from the police station is enhanced. He also had large grass stains on his back which suggest that he was in some sort of struggle.

I'm not saying he's innocent, I'm not saying he's guilty. But like Tanis, I would remind you that the rule of the land is "Innocent until proven guilty", not "Innocent until all the special interests have convinced you otherwise."

 

[cookyy2k]

Doesn't generally stop America from getting him though does it? Hell you don't even have to be in America when you commit a crime that's not against the county you're in's laws and they can still get you extradited apparently...

Depends what country you flee to.

Quite a few countries in EU have told the US to piss off when they have called for someone to be extradited.

Especially if they try and have one of that countries citizens dragged over.

Even my own beloved UK is a bit wary about letting the US get it's hands on anyone.

A lot of countries refuse to allow a prisoner or accused person to be extradited to a country that has the death penalty.

I'm eating a kebab at the minute but when i'm done i'll look up where I found that before.

I want to agree but that 3-2 last night makes me want to hate you

But yeah, I agree I was just making a point back to a few cases that've been ridiculous.

 

[Rawne1980]

I want to agree but that 3-2 last night makes me want to hate you

If it means we won a match then i'll take the hate and bathe in it.

We don't get to win often so i'll take what I can get

 

[Dastardly]

Is "idarkphoenixi" some kind of time traveling wizard?

Cause, you know, in the USA, allegedly, one has to be taken to TRIAL before they're guilty of a crime.

Just because bigots like the 'reverend' Jesse Jackson says someone is guilty doesn't mean that they are.

Spoiler: spoilered for size

A fantastic example of the spin media puts on this kind of thing. To me, it's even more striking an example because I agree with the folks that call it an unjustified shooting.

Making the right point in the wrong way can completely undo that point. The point here is that this was an unnecessary, and thus unjustified, shooting... but misrepresenting the two individuals involved? Forcing it to be about race? These distract from the facts of the case.

To me, Zimmerman isn't a racist. He's an overzealous community watchman that was far too excited about the opportunity to overstep his bounds. He was directly instructed not to follow, but he did so. Why? Not because he was suspicious of a black kid, but because he wanted to have a more active part in this than "observe and report."

What I think will come to light is that Martin was walking away, and Zimmerman made an attempt to detain him in some way. Fight, broken nose, bang bang. It's a case of vigilantism, and a misguided amateur escalating a situation rather than leaving it to professionals.

Another twist for me? I fully support "Stand Your Ground" laws, as they are currently written. Too many people defend Zimmerman for the wrong reasons, too -- they think they're defending these laws, but instead they're tying these laws to a man that (I feel we'll discover) misused them to stand someone else's ground.

Both sides are so eager to win that they're using shady tactics to do it, or they're just using the case the push an unrelated agenda.

 

[cookyy2k]

I want to agree but that 3-2 last night makes me want to hate you

If it means we won a match then i'll take the hate and bathe in it.

We don't get to win often so i'll take what I can get

We needed those 3 points waaaay more anyway enough deraling the thread with such things

No way to tell if this guy is guilty from the very one sided media coverage. We'll just have to hope that jusdice is done (whichever way it comes out) and everyone accepts the verdict. (fat chance of that happening like)

 

[redisforever]

Under the text, it says "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil, is that good men do nothing."

Really, man? REALLY?
You have done nothing good here!

 

[Dastardly]

I'm not saying he's innocent, I'm not saying he's guilty. But like Tanis, I would remind you that the rule of the land is "Innocent until proven guilty", not "Innocent until all the special interests have convinced you otherwise."

It might be helpful for all of us to also remember that Trayvon Martin is "innocent until proven guilty," though he's no longer here to speak for himself. I don't think this shooting was racially-motivated in the least, but I think we'll discover it wasn't a justified "Stand Your Ground" shooting.