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1. Goalpost moving
2. That doesn't make them a trade school. They're nowhere near equivalent.

Here is (a portion of) the University of Notre Dame's statement on the purpose of undergraduate education:



Any university/college worthy of their accreditation will have similar goals (without, perhaps, the explicit religious mention in item A).

For contrast, here is (a portion of) the Technology Center of DuPage's (a multi-disciplinary trade school in the Chicago suburbs) mission statement:



As with the undergrad one above, this trade school mission statement is similar to one you'd find in most such institutions.
I, and likely the majority of people don't go to college to learn, we go to make ourselves more marketable for a job. If jobs didn't require a degree enrollment would plummet.
 

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The three main websites for hentai as far as I am aware is

Steam, Patreon, and Dlsite.

Patreon has been cracking down on non-consent hentai for a long time, and recently just canceled something I was a patron of called agnetta. They also will likely crackdown on skimpy clothing art, mods, and games soon since investors don't like it hence the corporate war on hardcore porn, and softcore war

Dlsite locks most of their best, and nontranslated games with Japanese yen payments, and most aren't translated and require text translators. Also their from Japan where the feminist movement hasn't caught on yet.

And there is Steam. On many forums; the word on the street is that Steam isn't safe for non-consensual genres like hentai. Unless your a large corporation like Kagura Games, you are not safe on Steam, not to mention they censor like half of their games. It's the indie people that create most of these games that are being screwed the hardest.
Are you actually, lamenting the decline in availability of works which fetishize rape?
 

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Lmao what the fuck?
I'm going to guess that he meant "choices going against artists choices".
Which I think snopes would put as partially true as there have been lobby efforts and somewhat behind closed doors moves against companies or to approach and get in good with companies. Basically the same kind of doors a lot of journalists have access behind like at invite only parties or special meetings etc.
 
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I, and likely the majority of people don't go to college to learn, we go to make ourselves more marketable for a job. If jobs didn't require a degree enrollment would plummet.
And what is wrong with studying for the pure sake of intellectual interest, not it's monetary potential? Would we even have astronomy if you had your way?
 

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Are you actually, lamenting the decline in availability of works which fetishize rape?
It's not rape if no real person is getting hurt for fuck sake. Do you fetishize war when you play COD or murder in GTA? Video Games don't cause violence or crimes. And real-life rape is a crime.

Also, what are you an evangelical Christian, get out of here with your moralizing.
 
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And what is wrong with studying for the pure sake of intellectual interest, not it's monetary potential? Would we even have astronomy if you had your way?
Because the previous poster stated that colleges are not trade schools, but even if they don't CALL themselves trade schools, people tend to go to them to be more marketable in their chosen field hence defacto they may as well be, or are treated as such by their customers.
 

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From your list, a B.A. "Gender Studies" would be easily applicable to Education, Special Education, Elementary Education, and Social Services.
Now that is incredibly country dependend.

E.G, in Germany teachers need special university degrees in subject(teaching) which is a mix of the topic at hand and pedagogy. A regular university course will end with teaching qualifications for two subjects and some mandatory practice in schools.

Side entry with is possible but only when there is some huge demand for the subject, comes with a long extra qualification phase and only for people who already have a degree in or related to the subject. All those esceptions are decided on state level. So far that happens pretty much only for some STEM entries and the occasional rare language. Of course teachers can also later qualify for additional subjects as well.

So a gender studies BA or master can't do any career in education aside from aiming for university professor. Or they could start completely over with a second degree.


Of course our harsher teaching qualification requirements also come with higher pay and more social status.
 

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Are you actually, lamenting the decline in availability of works which fetishize rape?
Only in the context of platforms not wanting to sell them is the beginning of the end for anything sexier than a bare ankle.
It's not rape if no real person is getting hurt for fuck sake. Do you fetishize war when you play COD or murder in GTA?
Yes and yes. Especially the first one
Video Games don't cause violence or crimes. And real-life rape is a crime.

Also, what are you an evangelical Christian, get out of here with your moralizing.
I mean, you're theorizing that there's secret cabal of feminists influencing videogame studios from the shadows to make people criticize shitty anime games for flashing the panties of fictional high school girls.

You may not be doing crimes, but it's pretty clear that the bits of the culture around games that you are plugged into is having some kind of effect.
 

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I mean, you're theorizing that there's secret cabal of feminists influencing videogame studios from the shadows.....
There was the group pushing CoC into various open source projects (but not any Code of Conduct a special one being pushed) and the whole situation with the Ada initiative trying to frame prominent figures in coding / open source development circles.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some concerted effort going on by some groups to get people into gaming studios to influence them.
 

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The argument that they are somehow uniquely sexualised and unrealistic in doing so kinda relies on the idea that you know reality doesn't regularly have women in similar roles as the characters in DOA who are showing more skin. It's really not some once in a blue moon thing it's actually quite consistent. Women in real life regularly and consistently would by the argument being used here be "sexualised" more than DOA.
Right... okay. It's regular, you see it all the time, right. That's why your examples were all just regular people you'd see in the street every day.

Oh, wait...
 

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Right... okay. It's regular, you see it all the time, right. That's why your examples were all just regular people you'd see in the street every day.

Oh, wait...
Ok so when was the last time you walked down the street and saw a female opera singer fighting with a female wrestler?
Because you really want to try and apply the "it happens in he street every day" argument then I dunno what streets you've been going down but I don't regularly see people who look like Zack their either lol

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Ok so when was the last time you walked down the street and saw a female opera singer fighting with a female wrestler?
Because you really want to try and apply the "it happens in he street every day" argument then I dunno what streets you've been going down but I don't regularly see people who look like Zack their either lol
Ooook. Then let's look specifically at wrestlers/ boxers/ martial artists.

What proportion of professional female martial artists do you reckon wear bikinis/ hot pants while fighting?
 

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Ooook. Then let's look specifically at wrestlers/ boxers/ martial artists.

What proportion of professional female martial artists do you reckon wear bikinis/ hot pants while fighting?
How many in Dead or Alive do that?

The only martial artist whose what you'd consider a traditional one in Dead or Alive would be Leifang whose default outfit is a dress

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Or Hitomi whose default outfit is pretty close to street casual wear
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Or are you suggesting female martial artists never wear bikini's ever in their lives?

Because so far your argument now seems to have become arguing that alternative costumes (which male characters also have) are a problem. Which........ I mean really you're arguing realism when one of Zack's alternative costumes is....... well this.....

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There was the group pushing CoC into various open source projects (but not any Code of Conduct a special one being pushed) and the whole situation with the Ada initiative trying to frame prominent figures in coding / open source development circles.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some concerted effort going on by some groups to get people into gaming studios to influence them.
Ahh yes, super secret codes of conduct supported by unknown groups, different from "regular" codes of conduct, definitely being pushed for unknown but sinister reasons, all to render sexy games unviable. Sound a bit conspiracy theoristy

Got anything that isn't an organization that dissolved 6 years ago?
 

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Why did they feel the need to make changes to Resident Evil 2 remake?
You mean the game where Ada Wong was wearing nylons and high heels even though she wore pants and sensible shoes in the original?

Somehow, I don't think that's another case of the evil SJW cabal controlling everything.
 
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Ahh yes, super secret codes of conduct supported by unknown groups, different from "regular" codes of conduct, definitely being pushed for unknown but sinister reasons, all to render sexy games unviable. Sound a bit conspiracy theoristy

Got anything that isn't an organization that dissolved 6 years ago?
Well there's Silver String media but we can't really talk about all those discoveries.

There's ex finance manager of Femfreq Kathrine Cross who suddenly became an expert video game developer according to Gamasutra who gave her a spot there normally just for professionals in the games industry to be part of there

There's Heather Alexandra who mysteriously left Polygon I think it was and became Double Fine's Social Media Manager (no ill will towards her. she seems more some-one who fell for the narrative rather than a true believer).

There's the writer for the KOTOR remake who was previously best known for being the person pushing the GTA V digital rape controversy in Australia.

There's claims about a sort of successor group or groups to the Ada initiative still going on in some capacity.

It's not to render sex games unviable it's "To save the world" or "Change the culture to fix society" or some other bullshit.

Sex games being changed aren't the goal, they're a stepping stone
 

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How many in Dead or Alive do that?
From a quick look at the DOA5 roster, I'd say 8 out of the 16 female characters wear outfits significantly more sexualised than what the vast majority of actual martial artists/ combatants would wear.

Or are you suggesting female martial artists never wear bikini's ever in their lives?
Nice strawman, really excellent work. Could do with a bit more subtlety, though, just a bit of advice.

Which........ I mean really you're arguing realism
Except I actually wasn't: you were the one who originally brought up the comparison with real-life attire. Did you forget?
 

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From a quick look at the DOA5 roster, I'd say 8 out of the 16 female characters wear outfits significantly more sexualised than what the vast majority of actual martial artists/ combatants would wear.
Problem is I pointed out we kinda have to discount the Ninja clan members from being part of this argument unless you'd like to point out what modern day women secret ninja clan members wear lol Also you have to discount the mythical beings.
So no:
Kasumi
Ayane
Kanna
Momiji
Nyotengu

Also no guest fighters cause come on that would be cheating.
That leaves very few who in their default looks would be considered more sexualised


Nice strawman, really excellent work. Could do with a bit more subtlety, though, just a bit of advice.
Well again you're objecting seemingly to optional costumes otherwise rather than default costumes and that starts to get into the realms of being silly because of course games will have some silly alternative costumes that's just games normally a lot of the time.


Except I actually wasn't: you were the one who originally brought up the comparison with real-life attire. Did you forget?
except the general argument for them being uniquely sexualised and a problem is that they're somehow far more sexualised than real women in the same positions or activities which isn't the case.
 

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Problem is I pointed out we kinda have to discount the Ninja clan members from being part of this argument unless you'd like to point out what modern day women secret ninja clan members wear lol Also you have to discount the mythical beings.
There's absolutely no reason that we would need to compare them to existing real-life counterparts. What a bizarre requirement you've dreamt up.

You're just cooking up convenient exemptions.

Well again you're objecting seemingly to optional costumes otherwise rather than default costumes and that starts to get into the realms of being silly because of course games will have some silly alternative costumes that's just games normally a lot of the time.
This doesn't even address what you quoted.

except the general argument for them being uniquely sexualised and a problem is that they're somehow far more sexualised than real women in the same positions or activities which isn't the case.
No, it isn't, you've just reframed your opponents' position to suit yourself.
 
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There's absolutely no reason that we would need to compare them to existing real-life counterparts. What a bizarre requirement you've dreamt up.

You're just cooking up convenient exemptions.
So you're arguing they're unrealistically sexualised compared to what again as there's not real version to compare to lol.
What unrealistically compared to some other fiction?

Ah yes clearly the magical Tengu character with wings is unrealistic and must be made to look more like a real Tengu lol.


This doesn't even address what you quoted.
Yes it does because your argument is so highly flawed. "How any martial artists do this stuff in bikini's" well most of the DOA girls don't do it either as their default look Imagine applying that standard to any other video game "Oh it's unrealistic photo journalist Frank West runs round a mall dressed as Mega Man"


No, it isn't, you've just reframed your opponents' position to suit yourself.
Ok then so if you're not comparing them to reality does that mean the real life women in said roles are overly sexualised and should be toned down?