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Oh, I don't disagree with you about Until Dawn. I was saying that I have lower standards of what I consider a decent story in games, and even I have to say that David Cage does not know how to write well.

...Seriously, people, play Until Dawn. So good. Supermassive Games is what Quantic Dream wants to be. Even their worst (Man of Medan) is better than the best QD.
Agreed! Until Dawn was one of the best surprises of the ps4 library and I say this as someone who thinks David Cage’s interactive movies as crap.
 

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What did he do? Unless you're talking about the creepy nude shower scene thing.
That's exactly what I was referring to. Keep in mind, while it wasn't his body used in the scene, it was still posting Elliot's head on a nude model, then leaving the entire nude model accessible in code, if not the game proper, all without informing or getting consent from Elliot. That's skeevy.
 

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Only for Ellis to come out and say she doesn't know him, they met once at a con and he was very handsy and creepy and he needs to fuck right off pretending to be her friend for internet points.
I'm not sure she said he was handsy. Just overly familiar and presumptuous. I think it would have an even bigger spat had it came out that he had been handsy

I watched MovieBob like once or twice on V1. His content must be really solid if he's still around, because the only time he ever gets brought up around here is when he fucks up again.
His big tragedy is that he's a fairly decent content creator if he just kept his personality far, FAR in the background and that as time went on he became more and more unwilling to do that which directly decreased the quality of his work. This to the point he's now more known for his personalty than his work. Out of the former ''big three' of the Escapist he's really the only one you could classify as a has-been. He used to be fairly big for early Internet standards but now is mostly known as a punching bag. Its kinda pitiably. Yahtzee never stopped flying high, and despite his complaints Sterling is still fairly big while Moviebob seems to slip more and more into obscurity.
 

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What did he do? Unless you're talking about the creepy nude shower scene thing.


I watched MovieBob like once or twice on V1. His content must be really solid if he's still around, because the only time he ever gets brought up around here is when he fucks up again.
There was a big quality drop with Bob dating all the way back to late 2010 and mid 2011. It only got worse from there. He became more provocative, contrarian, and just plain insecure and miserable. I dropped him in 2014, cuz I just got sick and tired of this attitude and the whole "you're with me or against me" bull crap he pulled off whenever somebody had a disagreement or different opinion. Even if they backed up their facts and opinion. He has a habit of not backing up most of his critiques nor problems. It's amazing that he got fired twice from this website. I was shocked they brought them back the first time around. He still has a small fan base, but it's nowhere near as big as it used to be. At this point he's just another internet loud mouth lost in a sea of a million other loud mouths.
 
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I remember when this website had Jim, Bob and Yahtzee working together on this website. It was a fun time all around. The past decade hasn’t been kind to the escapist.
At least it's already improved and stable now. While I do miss Jim, they've been taking care of themselves. And clearly all the more happy and positive for them. They at least look to improve themselves. I can't say the same for Bob. He only got worse and worse as the years went on. He clearly hates what he's doing, but only does it, to pay the bills at this point.

I won't lie that there was more fun moments with OG Escapist, but there were plenty of other problems that persisted. I rather have the people in charge and modders that care, than some petty jackasses that ban you over sleight offenses or because they have an over inflated ego. Or sometimes won't ban the worst for a little or no reason, but won't step in until the very last minute. Sometimes not at all.
 
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At least it's already improved and stable now. While I do miss Jim, they've been taking care of themselves. And clearly all the more happy and positive for them. They at least look to improve themselves. I can't say the same for bob. He only got worse and worse as the years went on. He clearly hates what he's doing, but only does it, to pay the bills at this point.

I won't lie that there was more fun moments with OG Escapist, but there were plenty of other problems that persisted. I rather have the people in charge and modders that care, thsn some petty jackasses that ban you over sleight offenses or because they have over inflated ego. Or sometimes won't ban the worst for a little or no reason, but won't step in until the very last minute. Sometimes not at all.
You make a good point. If Jim leaving made him more happy then all the power to him I say. I never paid attention to all the drama though, learning about it all is a real gut punch. At least the forum is in a better state then back then.
 

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I'm not sure she said he was handsy. Just overly familiar and presumptuous. I think it would have an even bigger spat had it came out that he had been handsy
Are you sure? I thought she had said he kept putting his arm around her shoulder and made her very uncomfortable.
Maybe didn't use the word "handsy", but touching someone and making them uncomfortable is pretty handsy.
 

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Are you sure? I thought she had said he kept putting his arm around her shoulder and made her very uncomfortable.
Maybe didn't use the word "handsy", but touching someone and making them uncomfortable is pretty handsy.
I thought it was more that they had only met once and that Moviebob was showing that photo a lot to signal they were definitely friends while making similarly presumtious statements on twitter.
 
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I thought it was more that they had only met once and that Moviebob was showing that photo a lot to signal they were definitely friends while making similarly presumtious statements on twitter.
Oh yeah that's what caused it, for sure. But MovieBob tried to defend himself on Twitter, and that's when Lindsey Ellis came in and said he was a creep.
 
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Oh yeah that's what caused it, for sure. But MovieBob tried to defend himself on Twitter, and that's when Lindsey Ellis came in and said he was a creep.
iirc, by that time she had also unfollowed him and soft-blocked multiple times for being toxic, which I can understand cuz he is rather insufferable, but apparently Bob couldn't take the hint and kept refollowing her.

Makes me wonder why she even agreed to the selfie, but then again, it was at a con, and she probably gets asked for selfies a ton, including other content creators, and didn't think anything of it. Or maybe a case of "Ok fine, just one" so he'd maybe shut up.
 

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iirc, by that time she had also unfollowed him and soft-blocked multiple times for being toxic, which I can understand cuz he is rather insufferable, but apparently Bob couldn't take the hint and kept refollowing her.

Makes me wonder why she even agreed to the selfie, but then again, it was at a con, and she probably gets asked for selfies a ton, including other content creators, and didn't think anything of it. Or maybe a case of "Ok fine, just one" so he'd maybe shut up.
If I had to guess, having been to a few cons, she was just taking selfie after selfie and didn't consciously remember MovieBob, especially if he just said "Hi Im Bob/Robert, big fan, can I have a selfie with you?" Or something along those lines.
MovieBob the character is pretty distinct, and Id recognize him in a crowd in his horrible Mario costume. But just like a dude in normal dude clothes, going as Robert? Yeah, no, he'd get passed me too.
Also he's pretty good at hiding his Boston accent, and while that's not creepy, loads of people change they way they talk depending on the situation, if you know MovieBob the well spoken asshole, and suddenly meet Robert the Bostonian fan, you wouldn't immediately connect the two.

Also as someone who doesn't know/use twitter, what is a soft-block? Like one that expires or something?
 

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Also as someone who doesn't know/use twitter, what is a soft-block? Like one that expires or something?
Soft-blocking was blocking another user on Twitter, then immediately unblocking them. This would force-unfollow that user. Some people preferred this method of getting rid of annoying followers because it was more discrete and less confrontational than outright blocking. The trick has become obsolete since Twitter recently made it a feature.
 

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Yeah, you've got a few holdouts on the Japanese side, probably largely due to how Japanese company culture tends to work, tho I'm guessing they all still have to compromise with the corporate side of things, unless maybe if you're Miyamoto. But on the Western side? Not so much. Well yes, you've got guys who serve as the face for a developer, for example Hugo Martin for id Software, but I've never gotten the impression that the new Doom games are specifically his vision, or at least in large part his vision, not like the old Doom games were the brainchild of Romero/Carmack.

The only exception I can think of is David Cage, tho that would be a depressing thought, if Cage really was the best the West had to offer in terms of AAA video game auteurs.
How about Josef Fares?
He's quite publicly the face of the games he makes, and he has a recognizable style in the form of narrative focused games with two protagonists, be they controlled by one or two players.

Though granted, he has no AAA budget behind his titles, and he seems to not have much to say about the world with his games, he seems content with just telling stories.

What is the qualifier for an auteur anyway?
 

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Neat. Back when he did the originals columns, I liked them more than his Zero Punctuation reviews, which always hinted at his views, but are obviously not the right platform to expand on them. I also mostly agree with him that AAA open world has gotten incredibly stale imo. Too homogenized in their structure and mechanics. Which would be fine if I actually enjoyed that, but I don't, to the point it's basically an anti selling point. However, I wouldn't really bet on any auteur era happening any time soon.
He uses the word auteur but honestly what he describes is a lot more like how aspects of the movie industry works. I'm kicking myself for not remembering specific names, but there are a few studios that operate by making a dozen or two dozen disparate movies, all different directors and teams, for like 1-5 million dollars each. They take a loss on a lot of them, probably the majority, but every year or so one or two of those movies blows up and makes like 100 million in profits. And it funds the next couple dozen movies.

Some people get to know directors and teams on these movies and they do get traction and fans. Those directors are probably not auteurs, and probably don't think of themselves that way either, but they look a lot like it because they're all off doing their own things with their own visions. Its just that the reason they go off doing their own thing is because the entire studio runs on the concept of only one movie needing to strike gold once a year for everyone to survive. Everytime you hear about a movie that doesn't really have any studio or actor name recognition absolutely blowing up, its probably one of those studios hitting the jackpot.

Translate that approach over to the video game world and I think its pretty similar to what Yahtzee is talking about - instead of one enormous expensive game, make four games or ten games or whatever and just get fuckin weird with it. They only need to strike gold once every few years to keep everything afloat. It would look a lot like auteur development, but the reality is that the individual directors are less important than the specific approach of throwing shit at a wall until something sticks. Eventually sure some names will get known and attract fan groups, but its a side effect rather than a feature.
 
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