Indiana Senate Bill 167: Holy crap, what a mess.

[tstorm823]

I'm arguing that the bill is a farce and that you cannot, in fact, teach that an ideology is evil while pretending that that will not teach that adherents of that ideology are not also evil

This is doubly so in a environment where a significant number of people consider public school "communism", an ideology that would legally have to be taught as antithetical to the freedoms of the United States

The bill says nothing about either ideology or adherents of ideology. Actually nothing about those things.

 

[Gordon_4]

I'm arguing that the bill is a farce and that you cannot, in fact, teach that an ideology is evil while pretending that that will not teach that adherents of that ideology are not also evil

Well, you could teach that they're stupid. You know, in the same way they suggest never to attribute to malice that which is easily explained by stupidity.

 

[Silvanus]

Scapegoating whom, and for what? What do you even think they're trying to get away with here?

In this instance, scapegoating teachers.

"Culture war" issues (even non-existant, fabricated ones) typically play well for right-wing parties electorally. Which is why if there isn't an actual issue at play, they'll tend to lie or generate one.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

The bill says nothing about either ideology or adherents of ideology. Actually nothing about those things.

Communism, Marxist, socialism, etc, aren't ideologies? Political and religious affiliations aren't ideologies?

 

[tstorm823]

Communism, Marxist, socialism, etc, aren't ideologies? Political and religious affiliations aren't ideologies?

Senate bill 167 says nothing about communism, marxism, or socialism. Political and religious affiliations aren't ideologies.

 

[Trunkage]

Senate bill 167 says nothing about communism, marxism, or socialism. Political and religious affiliations aren't ideologies.

So, schools are free to call Marxism evil lile normal

 

[Trunkage]

Yes, the shadow of Tampa looms long and large. I don’t think anyone in Federal Labour has forgotten it.

Murdoch and Packer has crippled Australia

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

Murdoch and Packer has crippled Australia

They had a lot of coal and iron ore dusted hands helping them.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Hey look, more of that thing I was told specifically wouldn't happen. So weird how it keeps happening.



Any comment about how this isn't actually happening, t?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Are they putting them in a big pile and burning them yet? Using the fire to forge parts of AR-15s?

 

[tstorm823]

Hey look, more of that thing I was told specifically wouldn't happen. So weird how it keeps happening.

Any comment about how this isn't actually happening, t?

They postponed an event because a parent complained. The school board said from the beginning they intended to bring the book back and reschedule the authors virtual visit. It's basically that same series of events every time: school puts in effort to provide materials about diversity and race relations, people have concerns about the material (sometimes justified, sometimes not), school temporarily stops promoting the books, internet reports that as "banning books". "Stopped explicitly encouraging children to read something" is not "banned", no matter how many times they say it.

 

[Bedinsis]

Hey look, more of that thing I was told specifically wouldn't happen. So weird how it keeps happening.



Any comment about how this isn't actually happening, t?

...I linked that article in post #44. Did nobody see that?

 

[tstorm823]

...I linked that article in post #44. Did nobody see that?

I did.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

...I linked that article in post #44. Did nobody see that?

I just figured I'd post it again. Maybe if it gets posted enough, the resident anti-crt bill defenders will comment on it

 

[Trunkage]

Just a min in, skip over the talking heads. There is one of those lawmakers making their case for the new law

 

[Hades]

Just a min in, skip over the talking heads. There is one of those lawmakers making their case for the new law

I suppose its logical. If a party moves closer to fascism then its not at all in their interest to highlight how awful that ideology is.

 

[Silvanus]

They postponed an event because a parent complained. The school board said from the beginning they intended to bring the book back and reschedule the authors virtual visit. It's basically that same series of events every time: school puts in effort to provide materials about diversity and race relations, people have concerns about the material (sometimes justified, sometimes not), school temporarily stops promoting the books, internet reports that as "banning books". "Stopped explicitly encouraging children to read something" is not "banned", no matter how many times they say it.

Uh-huh, and the rest of the article, where it mentions how books from black and LGBT authors are targeted and removed much more frequently?

 

[tstorm823]

Uh-huh, and the rest of the article, where it mentions how books from black and LGBT authors are targeted and removed much more frequently?

Have you considered that books from those authors are being added to school libraries and school curricula at a higher rate than white people, in deliberate and concerted efforts to add diversity and racial awareness to catalogues?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Have you considered that books from those authors are being added to school libraries and school curricula at a higher rate than white people, in deliberate and concerted efforts to add diversity and racial awareness to catalogues?

Are those books being added to school libraries and school curricula at a higher rate or are you just guessing? And considering the school curricula was overwhelmingly white, is that a bad thing? Is that "CRT"? Does that justify the batshit insanity targeting them?

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Have you considered that books from those authors are being added to school libraries and school curricula at a higher rate than white people, in deliberate and concerted efforts to add diversity and racial awareness to catalogues?

Let me guess, there's more "unkept data" that proves you right on this?