Tennessee Republicans trying to pass bill that would allow child marriage.

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
Maybe they are courting the crypto bros who always ask "whats the age of consent" in their crypto land.
 

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The bill's writer disputes the claim, but despite the bill copying all sorts of regulations, age is conspicuously absent.
If their state constitution works like TX's then its statutory which means that anything not on the books is legal. So if age of consent/marriage/whatever isn't listen then it can't be prosecuted. We had an issue with that during the 90s when Ann Richards was governor, she had to call a special session since a law against selling your child was either forgotten or just wasn't there and some lady was arrested for trying to sell her kid, but had to be let go since it wasn't illegal.
 

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If their state constitution works like TX's then its statutory which means that anything not on the books is legal. So if age of consent/marriage/whatever isn't listen then it can't be prosecuted. We had an issue with that during the 90s when Ann Richards was governor, she had to call a special session since a law against selling your child was either forgotten or just wasn't there and some lady was arrested for trying to sell her kid, but had to be let go since it wasn't illegal.
Yeah.... didn't Texas finally outlaw underage marriage in 2017
 

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Exactly what it says on the tin. The bill's writer disputes the claim, but despite the bill copying all sorts of regulations, age is conspicuously absent.
The writer disputes it? I thought he just acknowledged it. And I went wtf

I'll have to find that clip. But he might have changed his mind due to backlash anyway because that was nonsense
 

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The writer disputes it? I thought he just acknowledged it. And I went wtf

I'll have to find that clip. But he might have changed his mind due to backlash anyway because that was nonsense
Sorry, read that part in another article I didn't link like a smarty :V

 
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Sorry, read that part in a other article I didn't link like a smarty :V

Does anyone remember the GOP line about there is no possible way to change marriage.....

Oh, it was different guy but on the same committee. The bill deletes the government being involved in marriage. So it's not just underage marriagr. I swear, if this is actually about marriage between cousins/siblings, someone need a Smith slap
 
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So not only does this new rules add loopholes to child marriage, incestual marriage, and give cover for a abusive/coercive relationships, but I've also completely failed to understand the potential benefits it pretends to have?

Is it just "common law marriages can't be gay"? Is it really that petty?
 
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Yeah.... didn't Texas finally outlaw underage marriage in 2017
Probably not and it depends on what you mean by underage. A lot of states have the legal marrying age as like 16 or so, I think it can get down to something ridiculous like 14 in a few.
 

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This isn't one of them. It should not be legal to marry children.
 

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Well what do you know, they were right when they said gay marriage would lead to legalizing pedophilia /s

Fyi, child marriage is actually legal to at least some degree in most US states. Only 6 have banned it outright with no exceptions: New Jersey, Delaware, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Rhode Island and New York. All within the last 5 years. As of right now, taking into account exceptions, 9 states have no statutory minimum age: California, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming. Child marriage is relatively rare, tho some 300.000 such marriages have taken place in the last two decades, more frequently in the southern states. The vast majority of course between an adult man and minor girl, of which most in the 15-17 age range, tho some as young as 10.
 
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Help a Brit understand: is there no federal limitation that would apply if a state didn't have a specific different one in place?
 

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Do you really all enjoy the Democratic propaganda this much? What the hell does this mean?
but despite the bill copying all sorts of regulations, age is conspicuously absent.
The bill deleted the requirement of the marriage license entirely, which is where some of the protections were caught up. What sorts of regulations were "copied". Seriously, the bill is like 3 pages, what are even talking about? And the oversight was fixed immediately, leading to articles that look like this:
Which you seem to be aware of the updates, since you knew the claim was disputed but decided to post a different with less information.

Do you not all see how much like Pizzagate ya'll are?
 

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Politics is a field with nuance. Many issues require a deft hand and looking at multiple perspectives.
This isn't one of them. It should not be legal to marry children.
Agreed wholeheartedly but if what they're doing is just trying to be total dicks and do what the John Howard government did to our Marriage ACT, they're just narrowing the terms of whom can participate. Is it a requirement to restate the consent part of the law if its enshrined elsewhere and isn't relevant to the changes pursued?

Like this law is a dick move par excellence already. Being stupid with the language so as to legalise underage marriage is just a rancid cherry on this affair.
 
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The initial version of the bill deleted the sections of Tennessee law that established and described the marriage licensing system in the state, including the parts that established minimum age restrictions. Despite that fact, House sponsor Leatherwood erroneously declared, “This bill changes nothing in the current law regarding marriage.” That was wildly false when he said it back on March 9, at which time the draft of the legislation effectively evaporated the entire marriage licensing system in Tennessee.

However, the amended version from March 22 did not destroy the marriage license, but rather added a second way for the state to recognize a marriage, and a second way for a couple to have their marriage formally and officially recorded.

The existing marriage license would retain its age restrictions, so it would remain true that nobody aged under 17 years could be legally permitted by the state to marry. However, assuming the “record of marital contract at common law” was created and was legally and constitutionally robust, operated as planned, and created a legal recognition, by the state of Tennessee, of common law marriages, then it does appear to allow for marriages involving parties aged under 17 years.


Minimum age restrictions are conspicuously absent from the text of the amended bill. Readers can verify this for themselves by reviewing that document. The bill would require the husband and wife to state their dates of birth on the contract, but does not specify any restrictions or obligations on the basis of age.

This is even more noteworthy in light of the fact that the legislation does contain other restrictions. For example, the husband and wife must affirm, under penalty of perjury, that they are not family relatives, not drunk, not acting under duress, and not already married. Yet there is no requirement for them to affirm that neither of them is aged under 18 or 17 or even 16 years.

In order for the county clerk to file a record of the common law marriage, under the legislation the husband and wife must present a valid state-issued ID. However, the clerk is not required to visually inspect those IDs to ensure the date of birth of each participant is earlier than a certain date 17 years ago, for instance — a basic check that happens countless times each day in beer and liquor stores across Tennessee.

In fact, the absence of an age restriction is even more glaring when one contemplates the fact that some of the text of the bill was clearly borrowed from the existing marriage license restrictions in Tennessee law. For example, here’s how HB 0233/SB 0562 forbids incestuous common law marriages:
And here’s how the existing marriage license statute expresses the same ban:

Clearly, the drafters of the 2022 bill were familiar with the ways in which existing Tennessee law regulates marriage, and replicated some of those rules and even the wording used to outline them. For whatever reason, the minimum age restrictions were not included in that transferral.

The bill currently before the General Assembly would create a new, second way in which the state recognizes marriages. That legislation would not prohibit marriage for those aged under 17 years old, and indeed does not establish any minimum age restrictions at all. Therefore, the claim that the 2022 legislation would “legalize child marriage” is accurate.
 

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Do you really all enjoy the Democratic propaganda this much? What the hell does this mean?

The bill deleted the requirement of the marriage license entirely, which is where some of the protections were caught up. What sorts of regulations were "copied". Seriously, the bill is like 3 pages, what are even talking about? And the oversight was fixed immediately, leading to articles that look like this:
Which you seem to be aware of the updates, since you knew the claim was disputed but decided to post a different with less information.

Do you not all see how much like Pizzagate ya'll are?
Wait, we're in trouble because the law got amended for clear mistakes?
 
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Wait, we're in trouble because the law got amended for clear mistakes?
We are apparently in trouble for not accurately* predicting the future

*though if post 17 is to be believed, it might still be possible for kids to get married

Though I'm still unclear as to the upshot of this rule. Like, what's it trying to do?
 

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We are apparently in trouble for not accurately* predicting the future

*though if post 17 is to be believed, it might still be possible for kids to get married

Though I'm still unclear as to the upshot of this rule. Like, what's it trying to do?
The gays stole marriage so they have to make a new marriage