Nancy Pelosi’s Husband Violently Assaulted By Intruder

[Silvanus]

I'm not saying I know this person wasn't influenced by right wing politics, I don't know, but so far as I can tell that assumption is being made by people based entirely on "he thought Democrats lied and cheated!" That doesn't necessarily make him a GOP ally.

It's mostly based on the testimony of his former boss.

We were together four or five days a week, four or five hours a day, a lot of times an hour in the car, going back and forth from jobs. I think I know him better than anyone does.

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If you got him talking about politics, it was all over, because he really believed in the whole MAGA, ‘Pizzagate,’ stolen election — you know, all of it, all the way down the line. If you go to Fox News, if you go on the internet and you look at QAnon, you know, he had all these theories.

In addition, DePape also maintained a blog, which had (among other things): 2020 US Election denial; holocaust denial; anti-trans conspiracy theories; anti-Semitic conspiracy theories etc. His last entry before the attack was apparently an attack on Black Adam for "woke-ism".

 

[Trunkage]

I really do think we are entering an age where the left/right dichotomy is being blurred and its becoming more establishment/anti-establishment.

I don't think this works either. The establishment is not a monolith. Buffet, Soros and Trump might use similar tactic to control us but they have very different visions.

But I would say that lumping everyone into just two boxes is really stupid. Eg. There is a difference between Gaetz and McConnell even though they are in the same box

 

[Worgen]

I don't think this works either. The establishment is not a monolith. Buffet, Soros and Trump might use similar tactic to control us but they have very different visions.

But I would say that lumping everyone into just two boxes is really stupid. Eg. There is a difference between Gaetz and McConnell even though they are in the same box

I don't know about that, yeah, its not monolithic, but each group has different ideas of what the establishment is. In 2016 trump won on a lot of anti-establishment rhetoric, there was a lot of returning to the old establishment in there too, but his whole lock her up, drain the swamp, not being a politician, bs is easy right wing anti-establishment.

 

[Dreiko]

On the talk of the Filibuster, that's nothing new in America. There's vids of MLK from like the 60s talking about its paralyzing effects. People know it's there and they leave it be on purpose. They let abortion rights be overturned because to protect them they'd have to remove it, which they didn't want to because removing it would remove their ability to negate a lot of other good policy people want.

I really do think we are entering an age where the left/right dichotomy is being blurred and its becoming more establishment/anti-establishment.

I like to think of it as more authoritarian/anti-authoritarian, but yeah either way we can agree on that point at least. I'd much rather take some libertarian on my side than the Nth LGBTCIA "activist".

They aren't even doing that. Many "new age", natural health, hippie types have been anti-vax for decades. I'm almost insulted for them that the media would suggest they inherited this behavior from some Republicans hesitant about one single vaccine.

A nudist hippie from Canada that makes hemp jewelry out of a bus in Berkeley does not need any right wing influence to question big pharma and hate Nancy Pelosi. I'm not saying I know this person wasn't influenced by right wing politics, I don't know, but so far as I can tell that assumption is being made by people based entirely on "he thought Democrats lied and cheated!" That doesn't necessarily make him a GOP ally.

Back then it wasn't partisan to be anti-vaxx, it was just "crazy person territory" but when covid hit they politicized the hellll out of it. So now most of these people get branded as right wing when their politics didn't shift and the world just shifted around them.


Also back then vaccines used to render you immune to the virus you got the vaccine for, they didn't have this flue shot tier effectiveness we see with the covid shots, which if anything is an issue with calling the shot a vaccine. I think they did it to rely on the built up credibility immunizing vaccines have to get people to get the shot but they ended up harming that reputation in the long run if anything. If they had been honest about you needing a covid shot like you do a flue shot every time a new mutation appears, while maybe some people wouldn't have gotten the shot, at least the antivax movement wouldn't have seen a boost.

 

[tstorm823]

I pretty much explained exactly why i believe precisely that. Only an abject idiot of the distinctly right-wing variety would pull an attempted "can of whoop-ass" stunt, rather than go straight for the electronics and all the incriminating data lying therein. Left-wingers want her disgraced and in prison, not hobbling about getting a payday.

Stop wasting my precious time and read my damn posts.

First, you assumed this had to be motivated by a political side, it couldn't just be a crazy person doing their own thing.
Then, you assumed that right-wingers are idiots.
Then, you assumed that left-wingers are well-planned and meticulous in their actions.

It took all of that to reach your conclusion. I want to know what you base any of those assumptions on.

 

[tstorm823]

Back then it wasn't partisan to be anti-vaxx, it was just "crazy person territory" but when covid hit they politicized the hellll out of it. So now most of these people get branded as right wing when their politics didn't shift and the world just shifted around them.

That politicization isn't going to last forever. People are gonna notice what actually happened in retrospect. I don't think the world shifted in any meaning sense, just the framing of the moment.

It's mostly based on the testimony of his former boss.

In addition, DePape also maintained a blog, which had (among other things): 2020 US Election denial; holocaust denial; anti-trans conspiracy theories; anti-Semitic conspiracy theories etc. His last entry before the attack was apparently an attack on Black Adam for "woke-ism".

My favorite part of the former boss's comments was that the descent started when DePape began turning off NPR during their commute.

Recognizing Democrats lying doesn't make him right wing. Recognizing NPR lying doesn't make him right wing. Conspiracy theories thrive because the media keeps lying. People question the election when the media claims it was the most secure election in history. People question vaccines when the media tells them they're 100% effective with no downsides. People recognize lies that blatant. An unstable person who had otherwise supported the left his whole life realized he was being gaslit by the Democrats and the media, and he snapped.

Maybe stop gaslighting people and they won't have to turn off NPR.

 

[Silvanus]

My favorite part of the former boss's comments was that the descent started when DePape began turning off NPR during their commute.

Recognizing Democrats lying doesn't make him right wing. Recognizing NPR lying doesn't make him right wing. Conspiracy theories thrive because the media keeps lying. People question the election when the media claims it was the most secure election in history. People question vaccines when the media tells them they're 100% effective with no downsides. People recognize lies that blatant. An unstable person who had otherwise supported the left his whole life realized he was being gaslit by the Democrats and the media, and he snapped.

Maybe stop gaslighting people and they won't have to turn off NPR.

So, you've just effectively shifted from "he wasn't touting right-wing lies" to "it's understandable because NPR lies".

Is there gonna be any recognition of the responsibility of the ones who actually propagated the lies he was believing when he perpetrated the crime?

 

[Worgen]

I like to think of it as more authoritarian/anti-authoritarian, but yeah either way we can agree on that point at least. I'd much rather take some libertarian on my side than the Nth LGBTCIA "activist".

No you wouldn't. Libertarian ideology is inherently destructive to systems of civilization. It would only work with a total reset that puts everyone on a level starting point.

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

A bit of levity maybe.

 

[Schadrach]

Ironically, this is exactly how everyone who put an ounce of thought into it, was able to figure out it was a right-wing dipshit who did it instead of a leftist. Only an absolute dumbass would think physically assaulting one of the country's most prominent politicians who's worth nine figures thanks to insider trading, and enjoys one of the best health care plans on the planet thanks to their job (and being worth nine figures), would actually accomplish anything.

The Pelosis would make back the cost of being fixed up and turn a profit off the attack in less time than it would have taken to perpetrate it. I'm frankly astounded Pelosi's office and national Democrats have (so far) managed to exercise herculean restraint (for them) in not sending out donation email blasts about it.

Anyone to the left of Genghis Khan and/or had a fucking brain would have come with a Faraday bag ready, grabbed their electronic devices/hard drives/SD cards, pulled SIM cards and batteries, and ran for their life. We already know from repeated infosec-related fucky-wuckies over the past decade, these ludicrously overconfident above-the-law dinosaurian politicians have no fucking idea how to secure data, and that shit would have been an oppo gold mine. Forget about any other closet-skeletons or evidence of Congressional shenanigans, hard evidence of insider trading alone would have done far more than any hammer on the planet would have.

Of course, that's a course of action more likely to get a SEAL team on your ass than a couple Bay area beat cops, but if you're gonna go for it, go for the gold.

I mean, if you're already planning to do this sort of thing, por que no los dos?

Like, if this was someone who was actually thinking things through at all doing this, literal step one would have been to restrain Paul (supposedly the dumbass even had zipties on him). Then you grab things that might have useful data, pull SIMs/batteries to make them not an obvious tracking device, then you smash some kneecaps for good measure because that makes the attack more intimidating to the folks watching from home who don't realize the infosec goldmine. Yeah it's more likely to get a major three letter agency cocktail aimed at you, but if you restrain the victims and separate them from their devices first, it's unlikely that anyone is going to know about the attack until you've already grabbed, smashed and left - possibly a few hours out. Which buys you time to go to ground and/or distribute info. And if you're planning this up front, you presumably already have an exit strategy in mind, such as plane tickets to somewhere that doesn't extradite and someone to sell the data to for enough money to thoroughly enjoy the rest of your short life before the CIA has you assassinated.

Also, wear gloves and a fucking mask. This is basic criminal shit 101.

Some background reading for the easily confused.

New Agers and Wellness Influencers Are Falling for Far-Right COVID Conspiracies

Figures from the new age, wellness and alternative lifestyle scenes have fallen down the COVID conspiracy rabbit hole, forming an unlikely anti-lockdown alliance with the far-right.

www.vice.com

Examining the “Wellness”-to-Far-Right-Conspiracy Pipeline - Brown Political Review

Sarah McGrath '24 examines how "wellness culture," which was originally associated with the left, has now seeped into right-wing, conspiratorial circles, especially QAnon.

brownpoliticalreview.org

Strange Bedfellows: Far-Right Extremists, New-Age Spiritualists, and COVID-19 Conspiracy Theories

COVID-19 has created the conditions for a resurgence of global conspiracy theories, which tend to be widely followed by far-right extremists and New-Age spiritualists alike.

spheresofinfluence.ca

Nazi Hippies: When the New Age and Far Right Overlap

Both the New Age and the far right are drawn to conspiracy theories

gen.medium.com

Beyond the QAnon Shaman: The Disturbing Relationship Between New Age and Far Right Movements

Both right-wing ideologues and members of New Age groups believe that modern society has lost its way. In times of crisis, these beliefs are magnified, and the fraudulence of our institutions is exposed. From this stems a worrying dynamic, in which right-wing leaders appropriate the vague...

www.mironline.ca

How far-right strategists hijacked the New Age (part 1) — Philosophy for Life

Does it matter if Qanon emerged organically from the infosphere, or if it was synthesized in a lab as a weaponized political meme? I don’t know. I don’t know if we can ever find out exactly who was behind Qanon. When people have posted about it all being a psyop (psychological operation) led by shad

www.philosophyforlife.org

‘Conspirituality’ Explains Why the Wellness World Fell for QAnon

The philosopher Jules Evans tells us who and what are prone to both conspiracy theories and alternative beliefs, while advocating for “critical spirituality.”

www.vice.com

The yoga world is riddled with anti-vaxxers and QAnon believers

In my day job, I monitor the spread of online disinformation and conspiracy theories. I never expected to find them at my yoga class

www.wired.co.uk

My childhood was a failed left-wing hippie experiment. Then my mother turned to QAnon

We lived off-grid and off the land, and shockingly never got botulism from the unsterilized canned green beans that turned into a gelatinous goo. Years later, my hippie parents started watching Fox News — and everything changed

www.independent.co.uk

Seems like literally anything that isn't a strictly enforced left-wing or social justice space is dubbed a pipeline to the far-right these days.

 

[Trunkage]

No you wouldn't. Libertarian ideology is inherently destructive to systems of civilization. It would only work with a total reset that puts everyone on a level starting point.

I should note: American Libertarian fits what you are saying here. They generally want themselves to have freedom at the expense of everyone else

Any other version would generally be fine with LBGT activists even if they wouldn't necessarily help. They generally want a perfect golden rule that everyone follows, even rich people. The issue being that they cant see how rules get corrupted

 

[Hades]

Why do you believe this person has a specific ideological slant at all?

Isn't his choice of victim a pretty big hint? Conveniently a target of a decades long Republican hate campaign. Not a fanatic Republican who fosters corruption and increases wealth inequality like McConnel, not a symbol of political corruption like Trump and not a ''moderate'' who keeps blocking ways to help people like Manchin. And while at it he seems to have admired many far right causes like Qanon, anti vaxing and ''election fraud.

Now Pelosi has her own allegations of corruption and to some extend she fosters the problems the US is facing same as Republicans or Manchin. But if he truly was some non political or left leaning actor he'd likely have gone after those others long, long before thinking of Pelosi.

 

[Worgen]

I should note: American Libertarian fits what you are saying here. They generally want themselves to have freedom at the expense of everyone else

Any other version would generally be fine with LBGT activists even if they wouldn't necessarily help. They generally want a perfect golden rule that everyone follows, even rich people. The issue being that they cant see how rules get corrupted

In general it does seem like libertarians are ok with lgbt and such, or at least not wanting any kind of governmental body to dictate how anyone is treated, kinda. The main issue with libertarians, aside from them usually being rather right wing, is that it only works if everyone can start from a level playing field. Like if the fed was libertarian that just means all the power goes to the states and we have the rich trying to grab as much as they can. Most societies start out rather libertarian, but quickly find they need more rules and laws and such. Trying to go back to no government from that is just dumb and destructive.

 

[tstorm823]

So, you've just effectively shifted from "he wasn't touting right-wing lies" to "it's understandable because NPR lies".

Is there gonna be any recognition of the responsibility of the ones who actually propagated the lies he was believing when he perpetrated the crime?

That's not a shift. My point is that hatred and distrust of Democrats isn't an inherently right wing position.

 

[gorfias]

That's not a shift. My point is that hatred and distrust of Democrats isn't an inherently right wing position.

This is Left Wing comedian Jimmy Dore and he is pretty much the embodiment of what you note.
This is him noting how angry Democrats are that their politician is helping to fund a potential WW3 nuclear war.
In another forum I was told these guys @5 min are under cover Republicans.


Regardless of his politics, the guy that attacked Pelosi is a loon.

 

[tstorm823]

Isn't his choice of victim a pretty big hint? Conveniently a target of a decades long Republican hate campaign. Not a fanatic Republican who fosters corruption and increases wealth inequality like McConnel, not a symbol of political corruption like Trump and not a ''moderate'' who keeps blocking ways to help people like Manchin. And while at it he seems to have admired many far right causes like Qanon, anti vaxing and ''election fraud.

Now Pelosi has her own allegations of corruption and to some extend she fosters the problems the US is facing same as Republicans or Manchin. But if he truly was some non political or left leaning actor he'd likely have gone after those others long, long before thinking of Pelosi.

To start with, your alternative targets live on the other side of the country, and Pelosi lives on the other side of the Oakland Bay Bridge from where DePape was living.

 

[Silvanus]

That's not a shift. My point is that hatred and distrust of Democrats isn't an inherently right wing position.

No, you specifically said people were just assuming he was right-wing for no good reason. Its perfectly valid to point out that he was vocal about supporting right-wing stuff.

 

[tstorm823]

No, you specifically said people were just assuming he was right-wing for no good reason. Its perfectly valid to point out that he was vocal about supporting right-wing stuff.

You're not actually talking about right-wing stuff though. You're just mentally shuffling all conspiracy theories into the right wing in your mind.

 

[Silvanus]

You're not actually talking about right-wing stuff though. You're just mentally shuffling all conspiracy theories into the right wing in your mind.

Seriously? "MAGA" and QAnon and hating "woke-ism"? You're seriously going to argue those aren't associated with the right-wing in America?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Seriously? "MAGA" and QAnon and hating "woke-ism"? You're seriously going to argue those aren't associated with the right-wing in America?

Obviously not, because those are Bad Things. And right wing people never support, endorse, or start Bad Things.