Police shoot (another) unarmed black man in the back 7 times

[Seanchaidh]

These people have to do their job under often extremely stressful situations where the threat of violence against themselves is also very real.

It's more dangerous to be a nurse, and yet you don't see nurses killing people for disobedience.

 

[Buyetyen]

Please don't pretend you know better what I want to say than I do doofus.

From what I understand construction workers aren't exposed to a constant threat of violence or high stress potentially life or death situations where they have to make split second decisions.

It's not ''police are bad'' like a simpleton like you would prefer.

Now try it again without the namecalling and you'll get a proper response.

 

[Kae]

Anyways, the hilarity of suburbanites arguing over the why of gangs and why over-policing as an issue, makes laugh white or otherwise.

Since ya'll are deeply unqualified to argue this topic allow me to illuminate you with good ol' streetwise skittles from someone that grew up in lower class neighbourhoods of a 3rd World country, so not like the exact same thing being discussed here since fortunately I don't live in the USA, even though I'm like not particularly streetwise, like I have more street-cred than any of you.

So the issue of why gangs are formed is mostly one of a business venture (generally illegal business), as it expands it starts cutting on other groups territories and in order to protect their interests they tend to become violent, generally through thugs which are basically their personal police to take care of their affairs, the reason poor people tend to gravitate in favour of gangs is simple, wherever the gang leader is located is typically a safe zone, this means it's territory that is hardly ever disputed by gangs, and since gang leaders don't like living on unpleasant places these zones tend to be protected by the gang, which basically work as a vigilante squad and beat the shit out of other smaller criminals, typically making the whole zone far safer than those controlled by the police, though not for altruistic or just reasons.
Another reason is simple, poor people lack education and as such profitable business opportunities are few and far between, I as a High School dropout would be earning a lot more money if I worked for a gang, but as a self-righteous asshole I can't do that but I can't say I don't comprehend the reasons.
Anyways you can ask and I'll try to elaborate.

On the issue of over-policing and innocent people being defiant or mistrusting of authority, that's simple the government is basically just another criminal organisation, if you don't believe that you're simply incredibly naive, as such good intentions cannot be assumed, it's well known that police have quotas they must meet both for arrests and tickets, so they might plant drugs on you or whatever, I've personally have been arrested over nothing in the past because I supposedly had dope, joke's on them despite how I present myself here I've never actually done drugs since I'm philosophically opposed to cartels and would rather be dead than to give them a cent, another issue with police that's well known here is that they often commit crimes such as blackmail and racketeering, the USA likes to pretend they're better but that's likely also the case there, people are basically terrified of them, since they're just another gang except they're protected by the government, the actual gangs are actually far more trusted in issues of safety.

In case this is hard to understand for you, wherever there's a lot of police there's going to to be a lot of arrests therefore it's basically a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you can't understand that there's likely something wrong in your head, I recommend seeing a doctor.
But joking aside.

This also ignores the issues within Capitalism, where barring very few exceptions people tend to stay in the same social class as their parents, typically through a combination of education factors as well as inheritance, not to mention that despite over-policing in poor areas the issues of safety aren't actually addressed by police who are actually busy pestering people who commit minor offences such as junkies and homeless people rather than dealing with the gangs that often pay them off, often making the over-policed areas less safe for the non-criminal population and ironically safer for criminals.

Yo that Kae in da house droppin 'em hard truths on da privileged filth!

 

[lil devils x]

Taken the bus. Called a ride service. Not driven a vehicle that he knew didn't pass inspection.
Either would have been less expensive than a ticket.

1) there is no bus. Most of Texas lacks any public transportation at all.
2) There is no ride service that comes out to the country. He had spent every last dime he had trying to get the car fixed, yes that means he was skipping meals over it.
3) When they gave him the tickets they told him he was supposed to fix his car and then he wouldn't have to pay the ticket. That was why he spent all his money trying.
4) His ONLY way to work was driving or not go to work.

You really don't understand how this works do you? I thought people were sheltered, but I didn't realize they were not aware of how this happens.

 

[Buyetyen]

So the issue of why gangs are formed is mostly one of a business venture (generally illegal business), as it expands it starts cutting on other groups territories and in order to protect their interests they tend to become violent, generally through thugs which are basically their personal police to take care of their affairs, the reason poor people tend to gravitate in favour of gangs is simple, wherever the gang leader is located is typically a safe zone, this means it's territory that is hardly ever disputed by gangs, and since gang leaders don't like living on unpleasant places these zones tend to be protected by the gang, which basically work as a vigilante squad and beat the shit out of other smaller criminals, typically making the whole zone far safer than those controlled by the police, though not for altruistic or just reasons.
Another reason is simple, poor people lack education and as such profitable business opportunities are few and far between, I as a High School dropout would be earning a lot more money if I worked for a gang, but as a self-righteous asshole I can't do that but I can't say I don't comprehend the reasons.
Anyways you can ask and I'll try to elaborate.

On the issue of over-policing and innocent people being defiant or mistrusting of authority, that's simple the government is basically just another criminal organisation, if you don't believe that you're simply incredibly naive, as such good intentions cannot be assumed, it's well known that police have quotas they must meet both for arrests and tickets, so they might plant drugs on you or whatever, I've personally have been arrested over nothing in the past because I supposedly had dope, joke's on them despite how I present myself here I've never actually done drugs since I'm philosophically opposed to cartels and would rather be dead than to give them a cent, another issue with police that's well known here is that they often commit crimes such as blackmail and racketeering, the USA likes to pretend they're better but that's likely also the case there, people are basically terrified of them, since they're just another gang except they're protected by the government, the actual gangs are actually far more trusted in issues of safety.

In case this is hard to understand for you, wherever there's a lot of police there's going to to be a lot of arrests therefore it's basically a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you can't understand that there's likely something wrong in your head, I recommend seeing a doctor.
But joking aside.

This also ignores the issues within Capitalism, where barring very few exceptions people tend to stay in the same social class as their parents, typically through a combination of education factors as well as inheritance, not to mention that despite over-policing in poor areas the issues of safety aren't actually addressed by police who are actually busy pestering people who commit minor offences such as junkies and homeless people rather than dealing with the gangs that often pay them off, often making the over-policed areas less safe for the non-criminal population and ironically safer for criminals.

Yo that Kae in da house droppin 'em hard truths on da privileged filth!

My whiteness concedes to your more direct experience.

 

[Iron]

Anyways, the hilarity of suburbanites arguing over the why of gangs and why over-policing as an issue, makes laugh white or otherwise.

Since ya'll are deeply unqualified to argue this topic allow me to illuminate you with good ol' streetwise skittles from someone that grew up in lower class neighbourhoods of a 3rd World country, so not like the exact same thing being discussed here since fortunately I don't live in the USA, even though I'm like not particularly streetwise, like I have more street-cred than any of you.

So the issue of why gangs are formed is mostly one of a business venture (generally illegal business), as it expands it starts cutting on other groups territories and in order to protect their interests they tend to become violent, generally through thugs which are basically their personal police to take care of their affairs, the reason poor people tend to gravitate in favour of gangs is simple, wherever the gang leader is located is typically a safe zone, this means it's territory that is hardly ever disputed by gangs, and since gang leaders don't like living on unpleasant places these zones tend to be protected by the gang, which basically work as a vigilante squad and beat the shit out of other smaller criminals, typically making the whole zone far safer than those controlled by the police, though not for altruistic or just reasons.
Another reason is simple, poor people lack education and as such profitable business opportunities are few and far between, I as a High School dropout would be earning a lot more money if I worked for a gang, but as a self-righteous asshole I can't do that but I can't say I don't comprehend the reasons.
Anyways you can ask and I'll try to elaborate.

On the issue of over-policing and innocent people being defiant or mistrusting of authority, that's simple the government is basically just another criminal organisation, if you don't believe that you're simply incredibly naive, as such good intentions cannot be assumed, it's well known that police have quotas they must meet both for arrests and tickets, so they might plant drugs on you or whatever, I've personally have been arrested over nothing in the past because I supposedly had dope, joke's on them despite how I present myself here I've never actually done drugs since I'm philosophically opposed to cartels and would rather be dead than to give them a cent, another issue with police that's well known here is that they often commit crimes such as blackmail and racketeering, the USA likes to pretend they're better but that's likely also the case there, people are basically terrified of them, since they're just another gang except they're protected by the government, the actual gangs are actually far more trusted in issues of safety.

In case this is hard to understand for you, wherever there's a lot of police there's going to to be a lot of arrests therefore it's basically a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you can't understand that there's likely something wrong in your head, I recommend seeing a doctor.
But joking aside.

This also ignores the issues within Capitalism, where barring very few exceptions people tend to stay in the same social class as their parents, typically through a combination of education factors as well as inheritance, not to mention that despite over-policing in poor areas the issues of safety aren't actually addressed by police who are actually busy pestering people who commit minor offences such as junkies and homeless people rather than dealing with the gangs that often pay them off, often making the over-policed areas less safe for the non-criminal population and ironically safer for criminals.

Yo that Kae in da house droppin 'em hard truths on da privileged filth!

Absolutely based, thanks Mexican robot (Are you related to Bender?). Very well put.
I see never-ending crime like this - if the police manage to "stop all crime" we wouldn't need them anymore. Going after big fish is difficult, especially if they can pay you off. Cops enjoy the power-trip. Big criminal organizations are difficult to take down, and people often don't want to get killed because of their job.

 

[lil devils x]

Anyways, the hilarity of suburbanites arguing over the why of gangs and why over-policing as an issue, makes laugh white or otherwise.

Since ya'll are deeply unqualified to argue this topic allow me to illuminate you with good ol' streetwise skittles from someone that grew up in lower class neighbourhoods of a 3rd World country, so not like the exact same thing being discussed here since fortunately I don't live in the USA, even though I'm like not particularly streetwise, like I have more street-cred than any of you.

So the issue of why gangs are formed is mostly one of a business venture (generally illegal business), as it expands it starts cutting on other groups territories and in order to protect their interests they tend to become violent, generally through thugs which are basically their personal police to take care of their affairs, the reason poor people tend to gravitate in favour of gangs is simple, wherever the gang leader is located is typically a safe zone, this means it's territory that is hardly ever disputed by gangs, and since gang leaders don't like living on unpleasant places these zones tend to be protected by the gang, which basically work as a vigilante squad and beat the shit out of other smaller criminals, typically making the whole zone far safer than those controlled by the police, though not for altruistic or just reasons.
Another reason is simple, poor people lack education and as such profitable business opportunities are few and far between, I as a High School dropout would be earning a lot more money if I worked for a gang, but as a self-righteous asshole I can't do that but I can't say I don't comprehend the reasons.
Anyways you can ask and I'll try to elaborate.

On the issue of over-policing and innocent people being defiant or mistrusting of authority, that's simple the government is basically just another criminal organisation, if you don't believe that you're simply incredibly naive, as such good intentions cannot be assumed, it's well known that police have quotas they must meet both for arrests and tickets, so they might plant drugs on you or whatever, I've personally have been arrested over nothing in the past because I supposedly had dope, joke's on them despite how I present myself here I've never actually done drugs since I'm philosophically opposed to cartels and would rather be dead than to give them a cent, another issue with police that's well known here is that they often commit crimes such as blackmail and racketeering, the USA likes to pretend they're better but that's likely also the case there, people are basically terrified of them, since they're just another gang except they're protected by the government, the actual gangs are actually far more trusted in issues of safety.

In case this is hard to understand for you, wherever there's a lot of police there's going to to be a lot of arrests therefore it's basically a self-fulfilling prophecy, if you can't understand that there's likely something wrong in your head, I recommend seeing a doctor.
But joking aside.

This also ignores the issues within Capitalism, where barring very few exceptions people tend to stay in the same social class as their parents, typically through a combination of education factors as well as inheritance, not to mention that despite over-policing in poor areas the issues of safety aren't actually addressed by police who are actually busy pestering people who commit minor offences such as junkies and homeless people rather than dealing with the gangs that often pay them off, often making the over-policed areas less safe for the non-criminal population and ironically safer for criminals.

Yo that Kae in da house droppin 'em hard truths on da privileged filth!

That doesn't apply to the urban areas in the US a much a s it does to Mexcio. Usually the gangs here form for the need of " protection" while they are still in school. My middle cousin started stealing cars when he was 10 and was forced into it, not given an "option" for a business venture, he was told if he didn't they would shoot him while he was sleeping in his bed at night and rape my grandmother. My other cousin was shot changing a tire in my grandmother's driveway, they were actually trying to shoot my uncle but my cousin stood up and was hit in the shoulder instead. My eldest cousin went to prison for literally making bombs and blowing up a gang's house after one of their leaders sexually assaulted his little sister.

Just for reference where they lived:
look at the second definition, not the first one the city council wants you to read:

Urban Dictionary: Pleasant Grove

Pleasant Grove: [Pleasant Grove] is located in the south east portion Dallas! it has its mixtures of Blacks and Hispanics. People here go to W.W Samuel, H....

www.urbandictionary.com

Yes, that's the same place the former leader of the Zeta's lived at the time. My youngest brother was run out of his apartment and lost all his belongings by the Zeta's here just because he was coming home at the wrong time.

Notorious Zetas leader launched criminal career in Dallas area

Miguel Trevino Morales is the leader of the Zetas, world's most violent gang, accused of ordering or personally carrying out some 2,000 murders. He was arrested Monday by Mexican marines in Ciudad Juarez, just across the border from Texas.

www.wfaa.com

 

[stroopwafel]

It is the fault of the system.

Yeah, but for every time there is a story like yours there are ten others where 'the system' is just used as an excuse not to take any responsibility. In welfare states like in Europe people are feigning sickness or 'can't work' where lethargic institutions and incompetent oversight rob the tax payer of their hard earned income to redistribute it among the entitled class that are already hugging up all collective resources without contributing. And they still blame crime on 'the system'.

 

[Buyetyen]

Yeah, but for every time there is a story like yours there are ten others where 'the system' is just used as an excuse not to take any responsibility.

I'll call that bluff. Show me 10 such cases.

 

[Houseman]

He had spent every last dime he had trying to get the car fixed, yes that means he was skipping meals over it.

Well that was his first mistake. You should never spend your last dime on something. You should always have savings to fall back on. Of course, it's hard to do if you're in poverty.

Also, by ride share service I meant Uber/Lyft/a taxi. Even paying a neighbor to share a ride.

When his funds were getting low he should have said "okay, I need to stop before I spend my last dime on these car repair people. I need to keep enough so that I can go without my car and make do with Uber until my next paycheck, after which time, I can spend X amount of money on another round of car repair, or maybe I can just use Uber while saving up to get a new car since this one is unfixable"
Or even
"I'll watch youtube videos, buy tools, and fix the problem myself in my spare time while using Uber"

When they gave him the tickets they told him he was supposed to fix his car and then he wouldn't have to pay the ticket. That was why he spent all his money trying.

If he wasn't driving a car that didn't pass inspection, that wouldn't have happened. Vehicle registration runs on a schedule. You need to renew at certain intervals, which may mean getting an emissions test. It's not a surprise. Cops don't breathalyze your car's exhaust and then fine people for failing.

 

[Iron]

Yeah, but for every time there is a story like yours there are ten others where 'the system' is just used as an excuse not to take any responsibility. In welfare states like in Europe people are feigning sickness or 'can't work' where lethargic institutions and incompetent oversight rob the tax payer of their hard earned income to redistribute it among the entitled class that are already hugging up all collective resources without contributing. And they still blame crime on 'the system'.

You never wanted to take the day off and get paid for it? Call in sick, and have a nice day out.

 

[stroopwafel]

I'll call that bluff. Show me 10 such cases.

Google welfare fraud and enlighten yourself.

 

[Iron]

Google welfare fraud and enlighten yourself.

I have a favorite!

Reports: Iraqi minister suspected of fraud in Sweden

Swedish media reports say Iraq’s defense minister, who holds dual Iraqi-Swedish citizenship, is suspected of illegally receiving benefits in Sweden.

apnews.com

 

[Buyetyen]

Google welfare fraud and enlighten yourself.

That'll be $200 up front, with an additional $100 for every hour spent in research past the first. If you want me to write your argument for you, then fucking pay me.

Or you can do the non-lazy thing and cite your own sources.

 

[lil devils x]

Well that was his first mistake. You should never spend your last dime on something. You should always have savings to fall back on. Of course, it's hard to do if you're in poverty.

Also, by ride share service I meant Uber/Lyft/a taxi. Even paying a neighbor to share a ride.

When his funds were getting low he should have said "okay, I need to stop before I spend my last dime on these car repair people. I need to keep enough so that I can go without my car and make do with Uber until my next paycheck, after which time, I can spend X amount of money on another round of car repair, or maybe I can just use Uber while saving up to get a new car since this one is unfixable"
Or even
"I'll watch youtube videos, buy tools, and fix the problem myself in my spare time while using Uber"

If he wasn't driving a car that didn't pass inspection, that wouldn't have happened.

I'm sorry, it is only " privileged" people who are allowed to have savings. The first thing you have to understand about the poor is that they are never given the opportunity or luxury to have " savings" They do not earn enough each month to pay their bills and keep a roof over their heads. The poor instead pick which bill they will pay that month and which one they will not and then try to make sure they never have a bill they don't pay two months in a row so it doesn;t get shut off. One month they pay electric, the next they pay water, but they cannot afford to pay both. My brother had to borrow that money to work on his car from his boss. You also don't understand there is NO rideshare in the country. No neighbors willing to help you. If you have to borrow money from your boss to fix your car so you can go to work at all, you don't have money to pay for an uber. The hardest thing that privileged people have difficulty wrapping their heads around about the poor is the concept that they don't have any money to do anything. They don't have any possessions to sell to get money. They don't have any money or any means to get the money. That is the actual reality for Millions in the US. "Save for a new car" is funny stuff right there... The most the poor save for is a " new car with 150,000+ miles on it and a crap ton of problems" because they cannot afford anything else even at an auction of crap cars.

If he didn't fix his car, he couldn't go to to work to earn money to keep a roof over his head AND he would have to pay for two tickets. If he fixed the car, he could go to work , keep his job and the tickets would have been dropped according to the police and the judge. Not having the car cost him his job and the roof over his head.

 

[stroopwafel]

That'll be $200 up front, with an additional $100 for every hour spent in research past the first. If you want me to write your argument for you, then fucking pay me.

Or you can do the non-lazy thing and cite your own sources.

Bro, I know entire neighbourhoods that are on the dole. Most of the immigrant variety. It's somewhat similar in Britain. There is a series on youtube 'life on the dole' or something that is an accurate representation.

 

[Buyetyen]

Bro, I know entire neighbourhoods that are on the dole. Most of the immigrant variety. It's somewhat similar in Britain. There is a series on youtube 'life on the dole' or something that is an accurate representation.

Then you should have no problem providing the citations. Because I'm not doing your homework for you, bro. Not unless you agree to pay the above rates. I mean, after all, I'm apparently a doofus and a simpleton. I can't be expected to know how to work a search engine on my own.

 

[Houseman]

My brother had to borrow that money to work on his car form his boss. You also don't understand there is NO rideshare in the country. No neighbors willing to help you. If you have to borrow money from your boss to fix your car so you can go to work at all, you don't have money to pay for an uber.

If you're a boss, what would you rather do:
- pay your employee's Uber bills until such a time that your employee can get their car fixed?
- Lend money to your employee so that they can fix their car?

I mean, this boss was clearly willing to loan money to this employee (or at least give them an advance). They didn't have to do that, unless there's some Texas law mandating such a loan.

Surely they could have worked out an alternate arrangement that would have a better chance of success. The employer shares some of the fault here for not making a wise investment into their employer's ability to make it to their place of work.

Heck, the employer could have drove an extra trip to pick your brother up for work, which would have only cost gas and time.

If he didn't fix his car, he couldn't go to to work to earn money to keep a roof over his head AND he would have to pay for two tickets. If he fixed the car, he could go to work and the tickets would have been dropped according to the police and the judge.

And if he didn't drive a vehicle that wasn't street legal in the first place, and got to work some other way, he wouldn't have had any tickets in the first place.

 

[lil devils x]

If you're a boss, what would you rather do:
- pay your employee's Uber bills until such a time that your employee can get their car fixed?
- Lend money to your employee so that they can fix their car?

I mean, this boss was clearly willing to loan money to this employee (or at least give them an advance). They didn't have to do that, unless there's some Texas law mandating such a loan.

Surely they could have worked out an alternate arrangement that would have a better chance of success. The employer shares some of the fault here for not making a wise investment into their employer's ability to make it to their place of work.

Heck, the employer could have drove an extra trip to pick your brother up for work, which would have only cost gas and time.



And if he didn't drive a vehicle that wasn't street legal in the first place, and got to work some other way, he wouldn't have had any tickets in the first place.

The boss isn't going to pay an Uber bill, the loan my brother took out from his boss uses HIS CAR as collateral. IF my brother couldn't m pay his bills his boss could take his car. What is the boss going to get from paying an UBER? In addition, do you have ANY idea what an UBer costs to come out to the country? A ride to and from work would have been $110 a trip. $220 a day would have been MORE than he earns a day. You really don;t understand how this works.... No the boss wasn't going to go out of his way, he had his own problems. DO you even understand what " living in the country" means? My brother rented a small RV parked on a lot where an old man kept his animals and struck a deal where he had a discount on his rent because he helped take care of the animals. There is no " hey buddy can I catch a ride to work" when you live in the country. People drive far to get the few jobs that pay like shit available. That is the reality here. Also Texas is huge and everything is spread so far out, that is just how it works.

Also, I like how you volunteer his boss to do shit, like he is so wiling to do so and wouldn't rather just fire him and hire someone with a working car instead of be put out like that? You live in a fantasy world if you think that everyone is just so willing to help people like that every time they need it instead of just " replacing them". The poor are always viewed as " replaceable", because that is how this works in reality.

 

[Houseman]

The boss isn't going to pay an Uber bill

Like I said, it was a poor loan and they could have worked out a better arrangement.
Sounds like the boss didn't even get the car if it's still sitting in impound.

What is the boss going to get from paying an UBER?

His employee, at work, working, making money, which is what your brother's boss wanted, enough to give your brother a loan, at least.
Your brother's boss could have fired him on the spot, but that didn't happen, he was willing to help him out.

In addition, do you have ANY idea what an UBer costs to come out to the country?

No, because you have all the information in this little anecdote, and you're only sharing it in bits and pieces. I don't know where your brother lived, and I don't know where his place of work is, besides "Texas". If you really want an informed explanation about "what he was supposed to do", you should share more details without me having to play 20 questions.

So why don't you provide information about where your brother lived, and where he worked, and then I can have something to go on?
Or do you not actually want a solution, you just want to play "gotcha, privileged person!"?

Also, I like how you volunteer his boss to do shit, like he is so wiling to do so and wouldn't rather just fire him and hire someone with a working car instead of be put out like that?

Yes, because his boss didn't just fire him and hire someone with a working car, instead he took out a risky loan.

You can't have it both ways. Either your brother was an expendable asset that was fired and replaced instantly, or your boss went out of his way to offer a risky loan to help your brother out. Which is it?