Police shoot (another) unarmed black man in the back 7 times

[lil devils x]

Like I said, it was a poor loan and they could have worked out a better arrangement.
Sounds like the boss didn't even get the car if it's still sitting in impound.



His employee, at work, working, making money, which is what your brother's boss wanted, enough to give your brother a loan, at least.
Your brother's boss could have fired him on the spot, but that didn't happen, he was willing to help him out.



No, because you have all the information in this little anecdote, and you're only sharing it in bits and pieces. I don't know where your brother lived, and I don't know where his place of work is, besides "Texas". If you really want an informed explanation about "what he was supposed to do", you should share more details without me having to play 20 questions.

So why don't you provide information about where your brother lived, and where he worked, and then I can have something to go on?
Or do you not actually want a solution, you just want to play "gotcha, privileged person!"?



Yes, because his boss didn't just fire him and hire someone with a working car, instead he took out a risky loan.

You can't have it both ways. Either your brother was an expendable asset that was fired and replaced instantly, or your boss went out of his way to offer a risky loan to help your brother out. Which is it?

His boss DID fire him for missing a day of work. My brother signed over the title to his car to his boss. My brother is just "expendable" , so are the rest of the poor. You really don't understand how these things work. His boss took collateral for the loan, he didn't just give him the money out of the kindness of his heart. The world does not work like that. He would have been fired if he was in jail or the hospital, his boss could care less why he didn't get to work on time, all the boss cares about is you are there on time and you get yourself there. That's it. He doesn;t want to hear you have a broken leg or whatever.. he isn't your friend. He doesn't want to get to know you. That is how this works. hell anyone who actually had to live in the real world here, would have already known that is how this works...

The poor are just viewed as " replaceable" period. Not an asset, not a friend, but "replaceable".

I am honestly in disbelief you think the world works the way you do at all tbh. Play " gotcha privileged person" no, I didn't expect that you would even remotely think what you did possible. To me, it is like you live on a another planet entirely than the one I grew up in just from the suggestions you made alone. I told you he lived in the country. That is what the country means. Most people have some inkling of an idea of what it is like to be broke, and don't act like people have all these options that don't exist. I thought you actually understood when I told you what " no one to give him a ride, no ride share, no money" actually entailed here. People are not lining up to help here. They are far more likely to treat the poor like they are invisible.

 

[Houseman]

His boss DID fire him for missing a day of work. My brother signed over the title to his car to his boss. My brother is an expendable asset,

You don't normally do risky loans with people who are expendable assets, and you still never revealed any information about where your brother lived or worked, nor have you ever responded to the point about him driving an illegal vehicle.

It seems like you just want to play "Guess Who?" where every time I guess wrong you say "you really don't understand how these things work".

 

[Trunkage]

Taken the bus. Called a ride service. Not driven a vehicle that he knew didn't pass inspection.
Either would have been less expensive than a ticket.

I can't stress this enough. He did not need to be shot over this. Explain why he needed to be shot

Also, for another post. No boss is ever going to pay for an Uber to go to work. (Well maybe very high paying work. I don't know about bankers or lawyers.)

 

[Houseman]

I can't stress this enough. He did not need to be shot over this. Explain why he needed to be shot

We're talking about lil devil's brother, not the person this topic is about. AFAIK, Lil's brother wasn't shot over this, but I can't even know that for certain because Lil is drip-feeding information.

Also, for another post. No boss is ever going to pay for an Uber to go to work. (Well maybe very high paying work. I don't know about bankers or lawyers.)

Like I said, if you're willing to make a risky loan for your employee, why not pay an Uber to go to work? How much was the loan vs how much would Uber cost for a month? Nobody knows, except Lil, who is being stingy with information.

 

[lil devils x]

We're talking about lil devil's brother, not the person this topic is about. AFAIK, Lil's brother wasn't shot over this, but I can't even know that for certain because Lil is drip-feeding information.



Like I said, if you're willing to make a risky loan for your employee, why not pay an Uber to go to work? How much was the loan vs how much would Uber cost for a month? Nobody knows, except Lil, who is being stingy with information.

It wasn't a risk because he SIGNED OVER THE TITLE TO THE CAR, whose bluebook value was around $4,000 at the time. How was it a risk when his boss had the title THE ENTIRE TIME. BTW, I haven't been stingy with the information, most people understand that is how this works. You NOT understanding is what baffles me. When your poor that is how this works most of the time, not the exception. Is there some loan fairy I don't know about that goes around giving out loans without the title?

The plan was his boss loaned him the money to fix the car- no risk to the boss because the car was worth more than the loan if he fixed the car with the money as he was doing. The fixed car was worth more than the bluebook. The only problem is what seemed like something minor turned out to be a pain in the arse because it was some loose wire no one could figure out where. Nothing wrong with the cars functions.

 

[Gergar12]

Funny enough even in New York City De Biaso couldn't control the NYPD, because they threaten his children. It's almost like we need two police forces to complete against each other and check each other. If I don't like one police force, I use the other.

 

[Houseman]

It wasn't a risk because he SIGNED OVER THE TITLE TO THE CAR, whose bluebook value was around $4,000 at the time. How was it a risk when his boss had the title THE ENTIRE TIME

Because there's always a chance that the car might be less than the bluebook value due to things like damage and problems (such as whatever problem made it fail the emissions tests, or the car being impounded as retrieving it is not free).

And if the car was worth that much, he could have sold it and gotten another car. Here's a $4,000 2005 Chrysler Crossfire I found in Texas: https://galveston.craigslist.org/cto/d/texas-city-2005-chrysler-crossfire/7180911387.html

And yes, I have to guess at the location because you aren't giving me any information. Best I can do is somewhere in Texas.

Also, since you keep ignoring it, he could have not driven around an illegal vehicle until he got pulled over for it.

Edit: Hey, I know what'll be fun, let's go back through your brother's life and look at all the decisions he needed to make to get to that point. Why was he living on an RV on someone else's land? Why didn't he live closer to where the jobs were? If he couldn't afford to do so, why not? Did he graduate high school? Did he attend college? Did he consider living with roommates? What was the family situation like? Did they kick him out as soon as he turned 16? What about his 10 other siblings? Where did they live and why didn't they help? Why couldn't he have moved in with any of them?

 

[Trunkage]

We're talking about lil devil's brother, not the person this topic is about. AFAIK, Lil's brother wasn't shot over this, but I can't even know that for certain because Lil is drip-feeding infr

Sorry. Must have missed a page

 

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[Worgen]

Bro, I know entire neighbourhoods that are on the dole. Most of the immigrant variety. It's somewhat similar in Britain. There is a series on youtube 'life on the dole' or something that is an accurate representation.

You do realize that if you spot welfare fraud you are supposed to report it. If you don't then you are contributing to the problem. Why are you such a supporter of welfare fraud?

 

[Aegix Drakan]

all the boss cares about is you are there on time and you get yourself there. That's it. He doesn;t want to hear you have a broken leg or whatever.. he isn't your friend. He doesn't want to get to know you. That is how this works.

Pretty much.

I can count on one hand the number of jobs I've worked at where the boss both a) gave a real shit about the employees and b) could afford to give a shit.

If I hadn't worked a month back at my parent's old plastics shop, I could count it on a single FINGER.

 

[Eacaraxe]

Well, this has escalated quickly.

 

[lil devils x]

Because there's always a chance that the car might be less than the bluebook value due to things like damage and problems (such as whatever problem made it fail the emissions tests, or the car being impounded as retrieving it is not free).

And if the car was worth that much, he could have sold it and gotten another car. Here's a $4,000 2005 Chrysler Crossfire I found in Texas: https://galveston.craigslist.org/cto/d/texas-city-2005-chrysler-crossfire/7180911387.html

And yes, I have to guess at the location because you aren't giving me any information. Best I can do is somewhere in Texas.

Also, since you keep ignoring it, he could have not driven around an illegal vehicle until he got pulled over for it.

Edit: Hey, I know what'll be fun, let's go back through your brother's life and look at all the decisions he needed to make to get to that point. Why was he living on an RV on someone else's land? Why didn't he live closer to where the jobs were? If he couldn't afford to do so, why not? Did he graduate high school? Did he attend college? Did he consider living with roommates? What was the family situation like? Did they kick him out as soon as he turned 16? What about his 10 other siblings? Where did they live and why didn't they help? Why couldn't he have moved in with any of them?

No one ever said the car failed an emissions test. Emissions were great. The ONLY thing it had was a check engine light that kept going on and off. Nothing actually wrong with any function of the car, as I have stated repeatedly. He had to fix the car AND be able to go to work every single day with the car, no time to sell it. You are the one ignoring what was stated. He went to work every single day or he became homeless. I am not sure why you don't understand that concept. He didn't live closer to the job because he could not afford to. All he could afford was to rent a small RV on a piece of land where he fed the animals for a discount. You really don't understand this concept of being poor at all.

The family situation was like that because we were one of 10 kids and my dad became paralyzed with bell's palsy when I was a kid for a while and we ( the kids) literally went door to door trying to sell crafts we made in order to make bills and make money by any means possible. My mom was disabled with a tumor in her back. I last lived at my parents home when I was 14. I had my own apartment at 15 with roommates, but also had to work multiple jobs while going to school and throw keg parties on the weekend to afford rent. If my friend wasn't running clubs in Dallas and GIVING me kegs and was willing to work door for me, I would not have made rent. You really do not understand the complications of growing up poor. Kids are expected to work. He was living on his own at 13, but to me, this was not all that weird, even in the wealthiest county per sq ft in the state, one of my best friends had his Dad move off and leave him at 13 as well. Both me and my friend whose dad left him lived with my friend whose Mom cosigned for my first apartment before I moved out to my own place. We had people sleeping on couches all over the place at their house.. he couldn't move in with siblings because our siblings were struggling to survive just as much as he was. In my family, everyone had to fend for themselves. If it weren't for scholarships, I would have never been able to go to college. Me and 2 of my sisters ( 3) were the only ones to be able to attend college out of 10. And we did so by being within the top of our class and were able to do so through scholarships and grants with no help from our family. We had to maintain our grades while struggling just to survive and that is not an easy task.

You should realize there are plenty of people that have to fend for themselves without family to help them. This is just how it is for a good portion of the population here.

 

[lil devils x]

Well, this has escalated quickly.

It shouldn't be unexpected. In fact, I expect it to get much worse before it gets better. The people are pissed and they have every right to be.

 

[Houseman]

No one ever said the car failed an emissions test.

Certainly not you, because you're being stingy with information.

The ONLY thing it had was a check engine light that kept going on and off.

How do you get a "fix-it ticket" for a check engine light? What did the cops think was wrong with this car so that he had to pay a fix-it ticket?
Is having the "check engine" lit up illegal in Texas or something?

You said "his car couldn't pass inspection". What inspection? If not an emissions test, then what?

Seems like you're not telling the whole story here.

He had to fix the car AND be able to go to work every single day with the car, no time to sell it.

Oh he worked every single day? Monday through Sunday? 12 hours a day? At minimum wage? With no overtime? Which industry was this?

When you're selling a car, the buyer can come to you. Say, the parking lot of your job.
With careful planning and communication beforehand, he could have had the buyer meet him at the parking lot, sell his car for 4K, then bought another car off Craigslist the same day.

He didn't live closer to the job because he could not afford to. All he could afford was to rent a small RV on a piece of land where he fed the animals for a discount.

Where was he living before that, and why did he need to move?

I had my own apartment at 15 with roommates

Why didn't he have roommates? Why did he choose to live away from his family in "the country"?

He was living on his own at 13

And why was that? Is that even legal? Was YOUR situation even legal?? Somebody should have called Child Protective Services. Or wait, no, let me guess, "I don't understand how any of this works" and "CPS is for rich white kids" or something, right?

You really do not understand the complications of growing up poor.

I could make a joke about having free beer and wild (paid, apparently) parties every weekend sounds like such a nightmare /s, but that would be dismissive of your personal experiences, so I won't. I just want you to know that the joke is available for use.

he couldn't move in with siblings because our siblings were struggling to survive just as much as he was.

...That's exactly WHY people would want to move in together, right? So they can split costs and combine their resources, right? Because 1/3rd of rent is easier to afford than all of it, right? That's why you had roomates, right? "No, sorry, you can't move in with me, because then I'd be paying half rent instead of full rent and I just couldn't make ends meet that way?"

And I'm still not seeing why ANY of you had to move out in the first place. What, was the house repossessed? Were you renting and could no longer afford it? Were you kicked off the property because of eminent domain? What caused everyone to abandon their childhood home and scatter at ripe young ages?

And we did so by being within the top of out class

Impressive for someone who worked multiple jobs while also attending school. How did you even find the time to attend class? One would think that you would automatically flunk out due to all those absences unless your jobs were entirely restricted to weekends and after school.

 

[Houseman]

Since I can't edit this into the above post for UNKNOWN reasons (thanks tech team!) I'll post this here:

One mistake you all seemingly made is that none of you took advantage of state programs to help you out, like this

Also, I'm still trying to guess at what inspection process your brother's car failed. This inspection? That doesn't say anything about a check engine light.

This test does check the "check engine" light, but only that it turns on. As you can see, this is part of "the emissions test". This step of the test (step 1) is not about the cleanliness of the exhaust that comes out of the car, but it is still what we call "the emissions test", so saying that the car didn't fail is inaccurate and misleading.

 

[lil devils x]

Certainly not you, because you're being stingy with information.



How do you get a "fix-it ticket" for a check engine light? What did the cops think was wrong with this car so that he had to pay a fix-it ticket?
Is having the "check engine" lit up illegal in Texas or something?

You said "his car couldn't pass inspection". What inspection? If not an emissions test, then what?

Seems like you're not telling the whole story here.



Oh he worked every single day? Monday through Sunday? 12 hours a day? At minimum wage? With no overtime? Which industry was this?

When you're selling a car, the buyer can come to you. Say, the parking lot of your job.
With careful planning and communication beforehand, he could have had the buyer meet him at the parking lot, sell his car for 4K, then bought another car off Craigslist the same day.



Where was he living before that, and why did he need to move?



Why didn't he have roommates? Why did he choose to live away from his family in "the country"?



And why was that? Is that even legal? Was YOUR situation even legal?? Somebody should have called Child Protective Services. Or wait, no, let me guess, "I don't understand how any of this works" and "CPS is for rich white kids" or something, right?



I could make a joke about having free beer and wild (paid, apparently) parties every weekend sounds like such a nightmare /s, but that would be dismissive of your personal experiences, so I won't. I just want you to know that the joke is available for use.



...That's exactly WHY people would want to move in together, right? So they can split costs and combine their resources, right? Because 1/3rd of rent is easier to afford than all of it, right? That's why you had roomates, right? "No, sorry, you can't move in with me, because then I'd be paying half rent instead of full rent and I just couldn't make ends meet that way?"

And I'm still not seeing why ANY of you had to move out in the first place. What, was the house repossessed? Were you renting and could no longer afford it? Were you kicked off the property because of eminent domain? What caused everyone to abandon their childhood home and scatter at ripe young ages?



Impressive for someone who worked multiple jobs while also attending school. How did you even find the time to attend class? One would think that you would automatically flunk out due to all those absences unless your jobs were entirely restricted to weekends and after school.

Okay, now it is getting to be absurd at this point. ANYONE reading this thread would have to disagree about being stingy with information here. I mean outside of the color of our clothing at this point, you pretty much have our life story here. You not keeping up is on you, not me. In the state of Texas, they will not do an inspection with a check engine light going on and off. They will not do an inspection until it has been " fixed" and driven a certain number of miles before they will do the inspection even after the car is 100% repaired. I don't remember the exact number of miles off the top of my head, but it was one of the other stupid requirements they have here in Texas. In addition, the check engine light would go off and on randomly so you never knew when it would happen. You have to get inspected and registered every year and they will not let you register it without the inspection so they give you tickets for both when it happens. not just emissions, but a " safety inspection" they check brakes, lights seatbelts ect.. They refuse to do so at all if the check engine light is on regardless of why it is happening. Yea that is the whole story, that is just the law in Texas, and no not every state requires the same thing.

You keep asking weird questions that have either already been addressed or are irrelevant. My family lives in the country too, on a farm, as I have mentioned on here repeatedly. Nothing is being " kept from you". And yea, CPS as far as I could tell didn't care once the kid was 13+ for the most part unless the kid was causing trouble and they received too many calls from " rich white people" to give them reason to care. Otherwise the school, the cops, and CPS didn't do anything at all. Why do you think there are still so many homeless kids in the US? My mother has mental health issues.. the last day I lived there she fired a shotgun in the air and told me I had 10 seconds to get off her property or she was going to shoot me and threw my boots and purse at me, as I was barefoot. That was all I had, and the clothes on my back to start my life with, I actually lived in a box for a couple of weeks at first before my friend's mom found out and took me in. I didn't speak to my family for 2 years after I called the house a couple for weeks later and my mom told me " I don't care whether you are alive or dead, don't call this house again" and so I didn't. She ran all the kids out of the house when they were either 13 or 14, not just me. My jobs were early release, evenings and weekends. I fell asleep in second period frequently but luckily I had an understanding teacher. I didn't have that many absences and actually took dual credit and remote classes as well at the time so I was able to graduate High School with an Associates degree so I could go directly to working on my bachelors straight out of high school. I didn't sleep much though during those years and it eventually took a toll on my health. When I was 17, I lost too much weight and dropped down to 70lbs due to overworking myself, not being able to afford food and the stress and was hospitalized for a brief period until I had put on enough weight. That is what happens though when people are doing everything in their power to just survive in a system without an adequate safety net.

At this point I have talked entirely too much about my family as I have tried to do my best to answer your questions thoroughly, but that ISN'T what this thread is about. The point was that the system constantly punishes the poor and takes their options forcing people into desperate situations.

 

[lil devils x]

SNIP

No, that is not how Texas car inspections work. LOL They will not do the inspection AT ALL with it on.

LOL @ cps and the foster care system in Texas.. That is how you get human trafficked. Telling older kids to go into the foster system is like selling them into slavery.

Here in the U.S., the FBI estimates that over 100,000 children are victims of sex trafficking2. Foster children are particularly vulnerable to falling victim to sex trafficking and other forms of human trafficking.

60% of all child sex trafficking victims have histories in the child welfare system

Issues - NFYI

www.nfyi.org

EVERYONE here already knows that is what happens to older kids, that is why they run away from their captors.

Texas requires that all problems must be fixed within a 15 day period and to have the inspection performed again to prevent any additional fees.

If your car has the “check engine” light, “service engine soon” light, or any other malfunction indicator lights on, it will immediately fail inspection. Because State law states that payment is due whether you pass or fail, we do everything we can to make sure your car meets regulatory standards, before we start your inspection and test.
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No one is " withholding info here" There as nothing inaccurate or misleading, you just don't understand how this works. Having a ghost check engine light going on and off has Zero to do with emissions, it is an electrical wiring issue, and the emissions were fine on the vehicle. Emissions are not the only reason a check engine light comes on. Here are a few for example:

https://www.autozone.com/diy/maintenance/top-five-reasons-check-engine-light

They just will not even start the inspection most of the time here otherwise they would only give you 15 days to fix it and it could take longer. They check that like they do the horn, brakes and everything else.

 

[Houseman]

No, that is not how Texas car inspections work. LOL They will not do the inspection AT ALL with it on.

So the vehicle did not pass "the inspection", and he shouldn't have been driving it, as that's illegal.
He gambled on not getting caught, but he lost that gamble.
He could have sold the car for $4,000 and got a new one off of Craiglist or something, or he could have made a better deal with his boss that would have been mutually beneficial. He could have gotten roommates and lived within walking or cycling distance of a job. Those roommates could have been one or more of his 10 siblings, possibly.

LOL @ cps and the foster care system in Texas.. That is how you get human trafficked..

EVERYONE here already knows that is what happens to older kids, that is why they run away from their captors.

Is that what you were thinking when you were 14 years old, or is that what you just now googled up in order to justify your younger self's actions?

Regardless of what you think of the government assistance programs, that was your (and your brother's) mistake. Instead of doing the legal thing, you all went and did the illegal thing, multiple illegal things. You allowed illegal things to happen to you. You could have called the police on your mom as soon as you got to a phone (assuming you didn't have a cell phone). I could go on, but pointing out all the mistakes you made seems rude.

It was fun talking with you and hearing more of your anecdotes!

 

[lil devils x]

So the vehicle did not pass "the inspection", and he shouldn't have been driving it, as that's illegal.
He gambled on not getting caught, but he lost that gamble.
He could have sold the car for $4,000 and got a new one off of Craiglist or something, or he could have made a better deal with his boss that would have been mutually beneficial. He could have gotten roommates and lived within walking or cycling distance of a job. Those roommates could have been one or more of his 10 siblings, possibly.





Is that what you were thinking when you were 14 years old, or is that what you just now googled up in order to justify your younger self's actions?

Regardless of what you think of the government assistance programs, that was your (and your brother's) mistake. Instead of doing the legal thing, you all went and did the illegal thing, multiple illegal things. You allowed illegal things to happen to you. You could have called the police on your mom as soon as you got to a phone (assuming you didn't have a cell phone). I could go on, but pointing out all the mistakes you made seems rude.

It was fun talking with you and hearing more of your anecdotes!

UGH. circles. All that was wrong with the car was it needed a wire somewhere in the car along the body replaced but they couldn't figure out where easily and every mechanic that looked at it said there was nothing actually wrong with the car's functioning itself and that the car was safe to drive. Nothing else was wrong with the car. It sure must be nice to be able to sell a car and buy another one in the same day and STILL not miss work eh? Oh you don't have those problems? GO figure. Roomates just appear out of thin air? It is really strange how you seem to think that everyone wants to live with their brother or something. Both bedrooms in my apartment had couples living in them and we would get kicked out for having my brother live on my couch. You can " imagine" all these magical fantastic scenarios where someone reached out and helped, but the thing is reality does not work like that. Reality is you wind up living in your car with expire inspection or have to sleep rough or wind up in a box for a bit because that is how much the world cares these days. Why do you think we have all these kids living in tents now? Maybe he could have come lived with you instead ? That is as likely as any of the scenarios you suggested.

FYI I ran away to a neighbors home when I was 12 and called the police on my parents when they broke my fingers. I learned real quick to never do that again. The cops brought me home and told my dad to " put bars on the window next time so she doesn't climb out" and he left. My uncle WAS the local sheriff FYI, remember that uncle sheriff I said was dealing drugs out of the evidence room? Yea THAT uncle.. Pointing that out doesn't seem rude, what actually seems rude is you assuming that we had all these options in the first place and that you somehow " know better" than everyone who has lived through these things. Reality doesn't work like the peachy cream fantasy world where everyone does the right thing and everyone is willing to help and that you don;t starve to death while waiting for something better to happen. Your suggestions refuse to acknowledge the desperate situations people are put in reality and are not very helpful at all to anyone really.

" regardless of all the kids who the FBI said are being human trafficked through the US foster care system, I expect you to go be trafficked as well because that is what I was taught was the right thing to do.." yea.. I will pass and would advise other older children to pass as well seeing what I have seen first hand in treating those same kid as patients. If I had done that, I likely wouldn't be sitting here talking to you now, as I likely would have disappeared like the rest of them. Older kids in foster care are essentially slaves. It must be nice having the privilege of not having to actually know that in order to survive in the first place. Oh and yea, we all were completely aware of it as kids, because we did not have the luxury of not being allowed to be unaware of it. As a Native American, we ALL were made very aware of what happens to us in the foster system.