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My problem is the tendency of people to attack a word I used instead of addressing an argument I made.
Look, unfortunately discord in this message-board prioritises gotcha's over everything else, but if you legitimately want to discuss you could try acknowledging that perhaps you chose your words poorly and then ask again about what their opinion is on your actual point, it's not going to work a lot of the time but it will get you more positive responses than crying over not being able to use a word.
 
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Look, unfortunately discord in this message-board prioritises gotcha's over everything else, but if you legitimately want to discuss you could try acknowledging that perhaps you chose your words poorly and then ask again about what their opinion is on your actual point, it's not going to work a lot of the time but it will get you more positive responses than crying over not being able to use a word.
Yeah, the gotcha's are the whole conversation. I can't get around to an actual conversation about any topics. You think if I apologized I'd get them to have an actual conversation? Yikes.
 

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Yeah, the gotcha's are the whole conversation. I can't get around to an actual conversation about any topics. You think if I apologized I'd get them to have an actual conversation? Yikes.
Might work with some people, might not with others, but doubling down and continuing to argue on the point they made isn't really going to get the discussion to the place you want.
 

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Yeah, the gotcha's are the whole conversation. I can't get around to an actual conversation about any topics. You think if I apologized I'd get them to have an actual conversation? Yikes.
Why? Is apologizing a bad thing?

Dude, we all lose our cool. What you do about it is what matters.
 

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Might work with some people, might not with others, but doubling down and continuing to argue on the point they made isn't really going to get the discussion to the place you want.
Yeah, yeah. Ego games, I shouldn't have. All I wanted was for people to understand my meaning and move on, instead of fixating on the words.
Why? Is apologizing a bad thing?

Dude, we all lose our cool. What you do about it is what matters.
It's not, really. I'm annoyed people don't understand me, and decide to attack me.
 

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It's not, really. I'm annoyed people don't understand me, and decide to attack me.
Unfortunately, text is a really shitty way to communicate. Clarity becomes more important than ever because there's no non-verbal communication to add context. Going on the defensive however gives the impression that anything... questionable you may have unintentionally said was deliberate.
 

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Unfortunately, text is a really shitty way to communicate. Clarity becomes more important than ever because there's no non-verbal communication to add context. Going on the defensive however gives the impression that anything... questionable you may have unintentionally said was deliberate.
Doesn't help I take offense when people say I'm ignorant, even though it's not supposed to be offensive.
 

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Doesn't help I take offense when people say I'm ignorant, even though it's not supposed to be offensive.
We can second-guess our impulses. It's not easy. It's a discipline you have to continually practice. I've had a couple of outbursts here recently that I'm not proud of. I've been having panic attacks on a daily basis for the last 2 weeks and regrettably I ended up taking it out on others. I got a warning for it and reined myself in. No point in dragging it out.
 

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We can second-guess our impulses. It's not easy. It's a discipline you have to continually practice. I've had a couple of outbursts here recently that I'm not proud of. I've been having panic attacks on a daily basis for the last 2 weeks and regrettably I ended up taking it out on others. I got a warning for it and reined myself in. No point in dragging it out.
Yeah. I'm sorry I used 'autists'. It's how they call themselves, so that's why I used it. You asked me to stop, so I won't do it again.
 

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The system is real; parts of it are arguably "broken" and which people have no interest in fixing.

"The system" is in effect the sum product of a load of societal forces with different views vying against each other to make it work in their favour. It is therefore inevitable that it fails some people more than others, and overwhelmingly, those it fails most tend to be the politically weak. In some ways the system will undoubtedly be inferior for society as a whole, which will be perfectly tolerable to the people with power so long as they broadly benefit. The system can also be rigged to self-perpetuate advantages, in which case the system definitely is part of the problem, because it becomes an inherent obstruction to improvement.

That's what we should expect from reality being messy and problematic.
"the system will be inferior for society." Inferior to what? Also, obstruction to what improvement? "The system" is the improvement. "The system" is the sum of human society acting to better the human experience. Anything you do to improve is inevitably "the system" once enacted. I'm not saying there can't be societal forces that obstruct improvement, there certainly are, but "the system" has made the world amazingly better than living in the wild eating bugs and killing each other.

People get disillusioned and start listening to communists because they've lost perspective, and come to believe the problems of the world are people's fault. The problems of the world, even those within people, are natural forces than society pushes back against, and imperfect solutions to those problems are not the cause of them.
 

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FFS would you quit it with MUH RACISM I was talking about how CCP was quick and thorough with not letting the name Wuhan-flu stick.
You guys are just LOOKING to call someone else racist.
Then stop being racist.
 

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The deeply rooted broken system isn't real. Reality is messy and problematic, and people work with mixed success to fix those problems; the people convincing you it's somehow all the system's fault have an agenda. Don't victim blame the entire species.
 
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I'm telling you there is war in Ba Sing Se! War, famine, disease... there are real problems in the world that need to be constantly addressed. These aren't societal faults brought on by the politically powerful. They aren't "the system", they're nature itself. And if you burn society to the ground, nature is all that you will be left with. Stupid freaking communists expect that beneath society is the Garden of Eden and that all the problems people have are caused by other people, but that isn't reality. There are real problems outside the pleasant bubble of society that you can't just ignore.
 

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I'm telling you there is war in Ba Sing Se! War, famine, disease... there are real problems in the world that need to be constantly addressed. These aren't societal faults brought on by the politically powerful. They aren't "the system", they're nature itself. And if you burn society to the ground, nature is all that you will be left with. Stupid freaking communists expect that beneath society is the Garden of Eden and that all the problems people have are caused by other people, but that isn't reality. There are real problems outside the pleasant bubble of society that you can't just ignore.
So... does the word communist just mean "people I disagree with" to you and you just throw it out willynilly any and every chance you get?
 

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So... does the word communist just mean "people I disagree with" to you and you just throw it out willynilly any and every chance you get?
No, a communist is someone who advocates for a classless and stateless society, based on the beliefs that all potential power structures prevent equality from happening, and a perfectly equal society is inherently the most desirable outcome. This board has multiple proudly self-proclaimed communists.
 
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So... does the word communist just mean "people I disagree with" to you and you just throw it out willynilly any and every chance you get?
At this point it's an article of faith on the right that literally every problem in the world is the fault of communists and/or socialists. The truth is that most of them have an at-best bare-bones idea of either concept, no nuance, more often a cartoon stereotype of the ideas, and still think that raising the specter of the Soviet Union is enough to terrify everyone into complacency. Capitalism has been in the ascendant for a long time. Now that people are starting to question it, capitalists don't know how to react.
 
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At this point it's an article of faith on the right that literally every problem in the world is the fault of communists and/or socialists.
I'm telling you there is war in Ba Sing Se! War, famine, disease... there are real problems in the world that need to be constantly addressed. These aren't societal faults brought on by the politically powerful. They aren't "the system", they're nature itself. And if you burn society to the ground, nature is all that you will be left with. Stupid freaking communists expect that beneath society is the Garden of Eden and that all the problems people have are caused by other people, but that isn't reality. There are real problems outside the pleasant bubble of society that you can't just ignore.
You're dismissing my criticism by claiming I say the exact opposite of what I do. No, every problem of the world isn't the fault of communists. Relatively few problems are the fault of communists compared to the problems that are nobody's fault whatsoever. My problem with communists is that they explicitly offer nobody else the same allowance. The communist position is that society as we know it, whatever that happens to be in any given place or time, is responsible for all the problems and needs be eliminated.
 

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"the system will be inferior for society." Inferior to what? Also, obstruction to what improvement? "The system" is the improvement. "The system" is the sum of human society acting to better the human experience.
That sounds a bit Whig "1066 and all that" to me. Although if you're not British that probably sounds a bit meaningless. Okay, Francis Fukuyama's "End Of History": the idea that the world is on a steady conveyor belt of progress to perfection. It's really not.

The "system" is not always improvement. The system is a sum total of human relations and actions; it is is as often hijacked by interest groups out to benefit themselves despite an overall loss for society as a whole as it is about general improvment. It's full of mistakes, and it's full of obsolete ideas that long outlive their usefulness. The system can be a load of clogged up gunk, like a computer that's chugging because of all the useless files, corrupted disk regions, and trojans / malware that have managed to infect it. Or sometimes the system is just the wrong thing for the purpose, because circumstances have outpaced its ability to keep up.
 
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and YET you still call it the Spanish flu, and you don't call covid the Wuhan flu. Which is what I was talking about in my original post.
Yea, we heard about it in the Medical community in the US through the Medical community in December, before it was as widespread on the news. Second, it was revealed early on when they traced the genome back to Guangdong, and not Wuhan, that the virus most likely started in bats in Guangdong and mutated before it reached Wuhan, as the virus most prevalent in Wuhan had already mutated to type B. Type A, the original strain, was the one most closely related to the bats in Guangdong and we found more cases of type A strain in people in Guangdong than in Wuhan.Wuhan was almost entirely Type B early on. They also believe that type A had come from Guangdong and was spread to Australia and the US early on but it wasn't as contagious. Type C was most prevalent in Taiwan and Hong Kong and was what was mostly spread to Europe, where it mutated again into a more contagious version that was what primarily infected the US, and the rest of the world as well and started spreading like wildfire.

So if they were to even be accurate, they would have to refer to it as "a coronovirus", "COVID-19", or "SARS-CoV-2" that they believe came from bats in Guangdong.

The US was primarily infected from Europe, not China, so while the US president was closing the borders to China and thinking he was done, leaving them open to Europe, he was still infecting the entire US.
 
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