Another Incident in Portland
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No, you claimed 31 was killed by rioters in #55. You lumped them together as rioters. This is reinforced by you line that I quoted in #75 - anytime someone is killed the protest is now a riot. Here I'll quote it again for you
Yep, sure was me asking for them to be lumped together /s
You know, this describes a business owner incredibly well. Thanks for the meme, I'll just edit the picture. Definitely keeping the daddy money thing … you know, because generally they are using daddy's money and didn't earn it themselves. Or exploited their workers
I mean I have basically all of those am I allowed to communism now?
Edit- well, aside from daddy’s money that is. My parents actually owe me money.
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yeh but there is no leadership or real mass condemnation. Hell some media agencies are trying to pretend that destroying things and looting and legitimate protest tactics. Few democrat leaders etc are condemning the violence either.Happily? We have seen tons of footage of protesters STOPPING other people from doing bad shit at protests. They followed that " hammer guy" breaking windows around at the protest and chased him out of the area. We have seen protesters intervene in hundreds of these incidents where people were doing bad things so to blame them is seriously messed up tbh. Many of these protests deemed a riot where property was destroyed we still ha d protesters stopping people from doing bad things. Them not being able to stop them all does not suddenly mean the protests are the problem. You re suggesting they should bully protesters into silence by doing bad shit. Besides, if it was that easy to stop protests by just doing something bad, don't you think the cops would be doing a lot of bad shit just to blame the protesters and give them a reason to shut down? Oh.. yea that happened too:
Agent provocateurs: Police at protests all over the country caught destroying property | MR Online
Police all over the world commonly use plants and undercover cops to undermine protests.mronline.org
I actually said 31 were dead so far as a result of the riots.
Biden literally said he wants to arrest all the anarchists doing the looting.
I don't disagree that you said this
I was also quoted you, again, stating that once someone is killed, the whole protest is a riot.
Like, I'm never going to blame Jake Paul shenanigans in Arizona on the protesters but it sounds very much like you would...
You know, like the FBI counting all the deaths and blaming only the protesters in the 60s. Just to say how bad the civil right movement was.
We've seen all this before.
De Blaiso saying they should let the rioters loot everything, they'll tire themselves out in a few weeks is the stupidest shit I've ever seen
Stop putting so much focus on the protesters. Put the focus on the looters and send police after them. Theyre usually easy to pick out, they are blocks away from the protest. We may need to talk about dumpsters
I’d prefer he admitted he just pulled the number from some bullshit artist and admit he misstated.
Edit- what are you even after Houseman? You keep trying to gotcha me and I’m unsure why. I admit the shooting here was in fact “not good” and have made zero attempt to defend it. I’m not going to defend basically any murder at a protest or even a riot because virtually nobody should die over this. I explicitly have said nobody should bring guns. What the fuck do you want? Me to feel guilty? Me to get angry and be the hypocrite you demand for your petty culture war? I’m really unsure what you’re after here but I’ve zero interest in providing it for you.
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My motives are complex.
Edit- Nah, I just don't like tribalism. All this "my team is better than your team" stuff. You seem to be resistant to the idea that "your side" could have possibly killed anyone.
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I’m obviously not, nor will I play this bullshit game for you after you spent days defending a murderer. Simply, rather than feel the need to defend “my side’s” bad actors I’d rather call them out and take some corrective action. I don’t give up because “my team” did a bad, I learn from it and move forward.
“Tribalism“ is a fiction of the modern political landscape and the more you believe it’s real the more “tribalistic” you’ll become.
Yeah, I can see you've done a whole lot of that in this topic by constantly haggling down the number of people killed and whether or not they should be classified as "protesters" or "rioters"
I made one post of “haggling” and don’t care what they’re called. None of those deaths are justified if you’re interested in my opinion on them, which lines up cleanly with the quote. I question the logic of some of the assignments is all.
Perhaps I’m degrading myself by caring about that line of argument in the first place as I’ve little desire to associate with or defend any of these killers nor do I agree with the assumptions made that lead to their being associated with me anyway. It’s all Jacobin Fraternalism to me. Thank you, Houseman. Though unintentionally you’ve reminded me how little I need to care about this line of attack on the protests/riots/movement. I do appreciate it.
