Donald and Melania Trump Test Positive for Covid

[tstorm823]

The families of the deceased are pretty pissed about it and you really should be too.

It's a pandemic. People are allowed to grieve, sure. But I'm not wading around the first two stages with you forever. You gotta get to acceptance at some point.

 

[Silvanus]

PT2, continued from Post #380.

What I'd like to do is just remind you how quickly this can move. The next slide is not a prediction, but it is a way of thinking about how quickly this can change. So this is the UK reported cases per day against time, and you can see running along the bottom there the number of cases in June, July, and August, up to roughly 3,000 cases per day or so in September, middle of September. At the moment we think that the epidemic is doubling roughly every seven days. Could be a little bit longer, maybe a little bit shorter, but let's say roughly every seven days. If (and that's quite a big 'if') this continues unabated, and this grows doubling every seven days, then what you see of course... let's say there were 5,000 today, there'd be 10,000 next week, 20,000 the week, 40,000 the week after. And you can see that by mid-October, you'd end up with something like 50,000 cases in the middle of October, per day. 50,000 cases per day would be expected to lead a month later (middle of November say) to 200+ deaths per day. So this graph, which is not a prediction, is simply showing how quickly this can move, if the doubling time stays at 7 days. And the challenge therefore is to make sure the doubling time does not stay at 7 days: there are already things in place which are expected to slow that.

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So, as we see it: cases are increasing; hospitalisations are following; deaths unfortunately will follow that. And there is the potential for this to move very fast.

What we are seeing is different from March and April. It is extraordinarily widespread. It's more widespread and it's both rural and urban. To everybody who lives in a rural area, you are not immune or protected from this virus. And that is why we keep saying no matter where you live in America, you need to wear a mask and socially distance, do the personal hygiene pieces".

Note, it was in response to this interview with Dr. Birx that Trump tweeted she was "pathetic".

Ultimately, we expect we will see community spread in this country. It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more exactly when this will happen, and how many people in this country will have severe illness. This could be bad.

Above: emphasis on potential danger, and emphasis on actions to take to mitigate it. Not seen above: downplaying severity.

And finally, can you spot the difference in emphasis between these two statements:

Face masks, these face masks, are the most important powerful public health tool we have. And I will continue to appeal for all Americans, all individuals in our country, to embrace these face coverings.

I think there’s a lot of problems with masks. The mask perhaps helps, but it is a mixed bag.

 

[Trunkage]

The CDC, remember, has been repeatedly denigrated and muzzled by Trump and Michael Caputo. He has prevented the release of their produced guidelines, and publicly contradicted their statements on lockdown and masks.

This is probably what Tstorm is actually talking about... And Trump probably muzzles them from giving advice so he could say that he was right later

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

The sneaky background text "Trump's immune system vs coronavirus: There are good microscopic entites on both sides" got a little tickle.

 

[tstorm823]

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You found a super amount of people not saying "the virus is super deadly and everyone needs to shelter in place".

 

[Trunkage]

You found a super amount of people not saying "the virus is super deadly and everyone needs to shelter in place".

It’s 3x deadlier than the flu. For half a year. Under a lot of restriction. 3x that for people who were hospitalised. If 6x times more deadlIer than the flu is not deadly enough, what amount would be classed as deadly? How many people would have to die before it’s called deadly?

 

[dreng3]

It’s 3x deadlier than the flu. For half a year. Under a lot of restriction. 3x that for people who were hospitalised. If 6x times more deadlIer than the flu is not deadly enough, what amount would be classed as deadly? How many people would have to die before it’s called deadly?

And that is without mentioning what appears to be some rather serious lasting harm to the body, including fatigue, neurological damage, lowered fertility in men, and scarring of the lungs.

Wonder if Trump can get called to prove he is mentally capable since he suffered a disease that might have decreased his mental functions (in theory, practically there was a never chance of such a thing) during his term.

 

[Kwak]

The sneaky background text "Trump's immune system vs coronavirus: There are good microscopic entites on both sides" got a little tickle.

"Yes it turns out the Orange Man... is feeling bad."
Gorgeous.

 

[Silvanus]

You found a super amount of people not saying "the virus is super deadly and everyone needs to shelter in place".

I found a super number of people emphasising the threat level, in stark contrast to your claim that intentionally misrepresenting and downplaying it is a sound medically-approved approach in line with what the scientists were doing.

A super number of people condemning the abysmal messaging from the White House or decrying political interference and abuse.

The idea that his messaging is in line with that of the scientific community is utterly risible.

 

[Dalisclock]

It’s 3x deadlier than the flu. For half a year. Under a lot of restriction. 3x that for people who were hospitalised. If 6x times more deadlIer than the flu is not deadly enough, what amount would be classed as deadly? How many people would have to die before it’s called deadly?

210K in the US.

To to put that in perspective, 2000 people died on 9/11 2001. We(the USA) started 2 wars because of that which dragged on for decades killing thousands more. People(such as a certain political party in general) invoked 9/11 for pretty much every goddamn thing for YEARS because TERRORISM!

Covid has killed 100x in the US alone that and apparently it's nothing to be worried about and some people still won't act responsible to minimize the impact. Like wear a mask, social distance, don't pack arenas, etc.

Al Qaeda and ISIS wish they were that fucking good at killing Americans.

 

[tstorm823]

It’s 3x deadlier than the flu. For half a year. Under a lot of restriction. 3x that for people who were hospitalised. If 6x times more deadlIer than the flu is not deadly enough, what amount would be classed as deadly? How many people would have to die before it’s called deadly?

It isn't though. It isn't 3 times deadlier than the flu. It was only deadlier than the flu when we knew nothing about it. The mortality rate is plummeting even before a vaccine. It's not exceptionally deadly: it's exceptionally contagious, and nobody had ever had it before. But it is, in the long term, going to be less deadly than the flu.

I found a super number of people emphasising the threat level, in stark contrast to your claim that intentionally misrepresenting and downplaying it is a sound medically-approved approach in line with what the scientists were doing.

A super number of people condemning the abysmal messaging from the White House or decrying political interference and abuse.

The idea that his messaging is in line with that of the scientific community is utterly risible.

Political people decry the "political interference". You decry it. Doctor's want kids back in school.

 

[tstorm823]

210K in the US.

To to put that in perspective, 2000 people died on 9/11 2001. We(the USA) started 2 wars because of that which dragged on for decades killing thousands more.

Covid has killed 100x that and apparently it's nothing and some people still won't act responsible to minimize the impact. Like wear a mask, social distance, don't pack arenas, etc.

Math is fun.

It's a pandemic. Accept the reality and go on with your life. There is no button to make a pandemic not exist.

 

[Dalisclock]

It's a pandemic. Accept the reality and go on with your life. There is no button to make a pandemic not exist.

Which apparently means taking no steps to mitigate it.

Too bad you weren't president in 2001. We could have avoided the Iraq and Afghan wars. "It was sad this happened but lets all get back to normal".

 

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[Thaluikhain]

210K in the US.

About 800 people in Australia, which has about 1/15 of the population of the US. 700+ of that is from the state of Victoria, which has about 6.5 million people, and we're considering that a disaster.

If we had the US's deaths per capita we'd have had a communist revolution or something.

 

[tstorm823]

Which apparently means taking no steps to mitigate it.

Nobody has said that.

No, but there are many ways to prevent and mitigate the damage a pandemic can do. And most of those have not been done in the USA because the federal government has continually refused to act, on the explicit order of the President.

The federal government has acted in many ways, the most appropriate ways. You're ignoring that.

 

[Gordon_4]

Shouldn't they both still be in quarantine?

 

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[tstorm823]

They really haven't and when they've acted it has repeatedly been too little and too late. The actual prevention and mitigation has all happened on state level. As a simple example: FEMA should have been activated way sooner and with much broader authority. Borders should have been closed sooner. Stockpiling of PPE, medicine and medical equipment should have begun sooner and should have been used once the panedmic hit.

The federal response to the Corona Pandemic has been utter shit and that's why 210,000+ US citizens have died. That's why the US is the 1st world country with the highest number of confirmed cases (23,000 per 1 million people, 5 times higher then the world average of 4,651 and 13th place in the world for most cases confirmed). That's why your President and large parts of his staff could contract Covid-19 because they publicly ignored restrictions while at fund raising parties and voter rallies. There's absolutely no way to look at the US pandemic situation right now and go "that's fine" without being grossly misinformed or dangerously dishonest.

The US has the most confirmed cases because we're testing them. We have so many deaths listed because of more sensitive tests and a broader definition of covid death. We've handled it better than almost anywhere else in the world, I guarantee it. That being said, it's going to be a couple years before the data really exists to measure that accurately.

 

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