Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"
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Have you not watched a single music video from the past, let’s say forty years or danced a tango like ever? We’ve drained a lot of the ritual and subtlety out of dance so that argument may once have held water, perhaps in your grandparents day or still does in certain traditional dances. But the modern dance styles likely represented in Cuties, so very much not appropriate for kids.
I was joking earlier in the thread but that video was disturbing. Not the kind of thing I want to see.
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LOL, biologically speaking you are a mistake but so is all of evolution so get over yourself.
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And this is why MTV ruined children forever and why we should require women to wear burkas... Oh wait, I already made that joke, so why are we going back to it?
I think there’s a perfectly valid argument to be had about whether or not a 10yo should be watching MTV that’s kinda being skipped over here.
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Well, nowadays MTV you might have a point, but I also have no idea what they even show on there anymore. Probably not as stupid as 16 and preggers or whatever. But this is the old argument that rock and roll is corrupting our delicate christian youth.
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I know it was like... (looks it up) between 11 and 6 years ago, holy shit I have totally not cared what was on that network since I last saw my sister watching an episode of that.
Looks like after that they had a teen mom series... weird.
Setting boundaries as what is acceptable or not for children is kind of the many roles of a parent. It’s a thankless task but we do the best we can. Besides, I’d rather my kids took up JiuJutsu or Karate or something.
It amazes me just funny watching two morons be morons can actually be.What do you mean? Beavis and Butthead is instrumental to child development.
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A single Music video from the past? You are keeping in mind that my grandparents actually danced like this right?
Yes, I actually took dance, and know how to tango. It still has nothing to do with intercourse. The idea that everything is tied to sexual intercourse is what I find to be absurd and an overreaction. It is like the " sex police" have gone overboard. I mean in swing dance, girls have even wrapped their legs around a man's face but that still doesn't mean it is about intercourse. I see the idea of associating everything with sex and that some how being bad as a result of religious influence on modesty and morality and then projecting those beliefs onto everyone/ everything else, rather than it actually being associated at all. It is like saying we should ban eggplants because someone associated them as being sexual. I see this as being just as ridiculous.
I wasn't " raised" being ignorant of sex. We were told the truth from the beginning and the only time I had Christian projected modesty and body policing imposed upon me while growing up was from the church religious abuse school. This entire idea if a religious invention and being projected onto everyone else. The whole " feel shame of your body" being imposed upon kids is wrong. Kids really do not need their heads screwed up in such ways. Kids, too are capable of understanding and differentiating between sex and dance as well. When I was a kid we did many of the same moves these girls do now in dance, however, it was never about sex then and I am not seeing how it is now. That entire association is a projection. The dance " looking sexy" is not about the dance it is about the thoughts of the viewer. When I bend over to pick up a pencil off the floor, guys think that is sexy too, that does not mean me bending over has anything to do with sex at all either. It really is no different.
Oh and my choice of music is heavy metal, which has produced some of the more raunchy music videos..Hell in high school I did a music video for theater arts as well and we had a huge staged " girl " cat fight" in the video that involved boob punches and pulling a girls dress over her head and in another part of the video we made a human "ball "of both males and females interlocked rolling down a hill with my legs wrapped around a guys face and none of that was sexual either.. We received an excellent grade on that project and our teacher commented on our great use of stage combat techniques.
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Lil's argument is flawed, as posts #75/#77/#158 expose.
Her argument is that dancing is never sexual, and never can be sexual, and therefore, it's okay for children of all ages.
There is a limit to how little children can wear, and what constitutes an unacceptable act. Everyone is in agreement with that. There is a line. The only question is how close do you want to get to that line before it crosses over into "obscene" territory, and if there's a moral issue with toeing that line.
Her argument is that dancing is never sexual, and never can be sexual, and therefore, it's okay for children of all ages.
There is a limit to how little children can wear, and what constitutes an unacceptable act. Everyone is in agreement with that. There is a line. The only question is how close do you want to get to that line before it crosses over into "obscene" territory, and if there's a moral issue with toeing that line.
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I never argued that dancing cannot be sexual, I am saying THIS dancing isn't. These girls aren't strippers. They are not giving lap dances here. Quit projecting your creepy thoughts onto these little girls.
What does post #76 say in this thread?
Your argument is verifiably false.
Netflix facing indictment from Texas grand jury over "Cuties"
The Tyler county DA is a former actor/model named Lucas Babin, and it looks like he's up for re-election this year, so this is probably a stunt to improve his numbers and give him ad talking points about protecting French Islamic immigrants or something.
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That's why I edited out the "Lil's argument does not even recognize the existence of such a line." line, because I knew that's what you'd focus on, while ignoring everything else.
My fault.
Yes, you argument does acknowledge the existence of a line. But you refuse to say where that line is. You refuse to comment on the moral issue of approaching the line. That's why your argument is flawed.
My fault.
Yes, you argument does acknowledge the existence of a line. But you refuse to say where that line is. You refuse to comment on the moral issue of approaching the line. That's why your argument is flawed.
Appears to me the line is where you view little girls as sex objects. When I go to a strip club I don't see 10 year olds. Kinda creepy on your part I would say.
I would certainly hope not. They shouldn't be there. I don't see what your point is.
What does seeing or not seeing children at a strip club have to do with the morality of approaching the line of obscenity?
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So, I think there's some confusion here.
I don't think anyone denies little girls are enjoying themselves dancing sluttily, I think the issue is that other people are enjoying their dancing in a way that victimizes them. Or at least that's the idea here anyhow. And we generally are against that in the way we have structured our laws.
If we justify any act that a child does that an adult thinks as sexual, simply because the child doesn't see it the same way, you just opened the pandora's box that a bunch of pedos hoped you would. Because, newsflash, pedos can molest kids in ways the kids do not perceive as molestation or even sexual, they can take advantage of the fact that the kids are innocent.
If the only standard is whether a child that doesn't even know all the facets of sexuality yet finds something to be sexual or not, if the rule is that when a child thinks something is innocent it defacto becomes innocent, that opens the door to a lot of bad behavior we do not encourage in our society, and it is in keeping with that way of thinking about this thing to criticize this movie.
Also, a lot more people of this planet grow in places that'd sooner exorcise their girls than have them twerk in front of adults than the opposite. Hell, people get honor-killed for less.
I don't think anyone denies little girls are enjoying themselves dancing sluttily, I think the issue is that other people are enjoying their dancing in a way that victimizes them. Or at least that's the idea here anyhow. And we generally are against that in the way we have structured our laws.
If we justify any act that a child does that an adult thinks as sexual, simply because the child doesn't see it the same way, you just opened the pandora's box that a bunch of pedos hoped you would. Because, newsflash, pedos can molest kids in ways the kids do not perceive as molestation or even sexual, they can take advantage of the fact that the kids are innocent.
If the only standard is whether a child that doesn't even know all the facets of sexuality yet finds something to be sexual or not, if the rule is that when a child thinks something is innocent it defacto becomes innocent, that opens the door to a lot of bad behavior we do not encourage in our society, and it is in keeping with that way of thinking about this thing to criticize this movie.
Also, a lot more people of this planet grow in places that'd sooner exorcise their girls than have them twerk in front of adults than the opposite. Hell, people get honor-killed for less.
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