Bolivia's Jenine Áñez finally allows election effectively at gunpoint, loses and is going to jail

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Aren't you still supporting Maduro?
I don't support Guaido's coup attempt or the theft of Venezuela's overseas assets. Do you?

I don't think Venezuela's elections are any less democratic than those of the United States, though admittedly that isn't a high standard.
I don't support Guaido's coup attempt or the theft of Venezuela's overseas assets. Do you?

I don't think Venezuela's elections are any less democratic than those of the United States, though admittedly that isn't a high standard.
Notice first the deflection to outside interference, and then disregarding any future criticisms by a poor comparison to the US. He's well versed in this, he had spent many hours arguing for this before.
 

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Notice first the deflection to outside interference, and then disregarding any future criticisms by a poor comparison to the US. He's well versed in this, he had spent many hours arguing for this before.
I don't have a position on Maduro beyond opposing US meddling in his country, so

anyway, I'm not going to pretend that fascist street protestors who set Afro-Venezuelans on fire because they're black are like pro-MAS protestors who shut down a country enough to force a coup regime to have a fair election.
 
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anyway, I'm not going to pretend that fascist street protestors who set Afro-Venezuelans on fire because they're black are like pro-MAS protestors who shut down a country enough to force a coup regime to have a fair election.
But you are going to pretend to have absolute knowledge of who has good or evil motives depending entirely on their politics.
 

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So protesting against military backed coups which overthrew a democratic election should only happen when its convenient?
There is no more or less convenient times to employ terrorism. It's always unacceptable.
 

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If not for that kind of "terrorism" the US would still be a colony.
If peaceful resistance against an oppressive government is useless or prevented then violent resistance is the only option.
The Boston Tea Party is dramatically less important than the First Continental Congress.
 

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They don't care. Psychopaths don't care as long as they win.
I don’t actually agree with the “crackdown” part in the slightest, just changes to the police and military, maybe jail the one dude in charge of the fascist group. I was sharing the tweet because I thought the event significant, not to support some mass purge of dissidents.
Oh, obviously also do something about the individuals involved in the assassination attempt. That’s bad.
 
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I don’t actually agree with the “crackdown” part in the slightest, just changes to the police and military, maybe jail the one dude in charge of the fascist group. I was sharing the tweet because I thought the event significant, not to support some mass purge of dissidents.
Oh, obviously also do something about the individuals involved in the assassination attempt. That’s bad.
lol
 

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Nah, somebody has to do it. People who supported setting government buildings on fire in the US are now supportive of government crackdowns on protests in Bolivia for attacking a political headquarters, just days after arguing with me that crackdowns on protestors literally blockading a city were uncalled for. The double standard is sickening.
Have you considered the alternate position that you're wrong about this? That struggling against a violent coup is a good thing?
 

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Have you considered the alternate position that you're wrong about this? That struggling against a violent coup is a good thing?
The struggle was the violence.
Just gonna gloss over how both events were a part of the same causal chain, huh?
When vigilante nonsense grows into organized creation of a nation, that's progress. When vigilante nonsense degrades into terrorism, that's bad. If the founding fathers had decided to just attack shipments until they got what they want, there'd be no USA.
 

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The struggle was the violence.

When vigilante nonsense grows into organized creation of a nation, that's progress. When vigilante nonsense degrades into terrorism, that's bad. If the founding fathers had decided to just attack shipments until they got what they want, there'd be no USA.
...exactly what do you think the Revolutionary War was? Also, by your logic, the Bolivian protestors were Big Damn Heroes, as their protests resulted in the organized overthrow of a coup, restoring democracy to their country.

Your argument just comes down to "it's bad if I feel its bad and good when I feel its good", which is the same thing you accuse the local socialists of engaging in.
 

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...exactly what do you think the Revolutionary War was? Also, by your logic, the Bolivian protestors were Big Damn Heroes, as their protests resulted in the organized overthrow of a coup, restoring democracy to their country.

Your argument just comes down to "it's bad if I feel its bad and good when I feel its good", which is the same thing you accuse the local socialists of engaging in.
Obviously the protestors needed to get the military support of France to be legitimate.
 

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...exactly what do you think the Revolutionary War was?
The end result of decades of legal back and forths and efforts by the Americans to establish even relative independence from England without war. Do you imagine the Boston Massacre happened and then everyone time traveled half a decade to start the Revolution?
 

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The end result of decades of legal back and forths and efforts by the Americans to establish even relative independence from England without war. Do you imagine the Boston Massacre happened and then everyone time traveled half a decade to start the Revolution?
And yet the Revolution and all its violence happened anyway as a requirement for independence.

So the protesters have to suffer under an undemocratic regime for decades before they have the right to revolutionary action? Time spent under injustice equals validation?