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The White Hunter

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So I reached 1000 posts and it bloody took me long enough! :D I guess you can put thatd own to the odd couple months of inactivity.

In my time here I've come to get used to a few of you and I've even had some interesting discussions and debates on here that haven't ended in flame wars and the throwing of excrement, a rarity on the internet I'm sure you'll agree, a good example being recent debate on the implementation of easy mode within a Soul's game and how the need is essentially negated by using a strategy guide and leaving easy mode out of it.

I've also found the community to be friendly and welcoming as well as a supportive community with a lot of very pleasant users.

So thanks for getting me to 1000 posts with only one warning thus far! (Damnable low content)

On with the topic, I recently started to wonder what games my fellow Escapists may have a love of that are considered mediocre/poor entries in their respective series, low points if you will, but not necessarily awful games. I'd like to ask you all if you have any games like this in your library, are they a guilty pleasure for you?

I'll personally lead the pack with a few choices:

1) Sonic Heroes is a game that I often here called a travesty and the worst game in the Sonic franchise, but apart from iffy rail mechanics and some weird clipping issues I never found anything fundamentally wrong with the game. It could have done with more varied levels for each story and it certainly could have been less shiny, but the game was very fun for me and I personally think it still holds up better than either of the original Adventure games. The soundtrack merits mentioning because I personally adore the soundtrack, it gets in your head and it always seems to fit the levels and the plot at the time, that final boss theme is just outstanding.

2) Call of Duty: World at War is another such game and I will admit it is a black sheep in the franchise and one that I didn't play until a few months before Black Ops was released, and even then I picked it up dirt cheap to play zombies split-screen. I found the game to be flawed and bit excessively violent a lot of the time, but overall it was an action packed and highly enjoyable world war 2 shooter. I understand that the world was a touch burned out with those at the time though, I've only played maybe 3 world war 2 shooters in my entire life. But the gameplay is solid and enjoyable, the story is acceptable, no masterpiece but acceptable and easily digested. Zombies at the time was a great addition and offered a lot of replay value and an enjoyable co-operative experience, thought he subsequent dlc releases are extortionately priced for what they are. Multiplayer is fairly fun too though a touch underpopulated (I only tried the multiplayer two days ago out of sheer boredom). It's a flawed game for sure but an enjoyable one no less.

That'll probably have to do for now beyond saying that AC: Revelations is better than Brotherhood by a long shot and that AC2 is still the best entry in the series.

So Escapists, do you have games you enjoy that are the black sheep of their respective franchises?
 

putowtin

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SkarKrow said:
That'll probably have to do for now beyond saying that AC: Revelations is better than Brotherhood by a long shot and that AC2 is still the best entry in the series.

There all classic's, as they star Ezio.... the interesting one!
(I'm not at all bias!)

OT I really enjoy Mercenaries 2
It's my go to game when I just want to blow something up!
 

Ultress

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Tales of Legendia,it does have some problems:the way you learn magic is silly and the story's not stellar(though the story tends to be Tales of ...'s weak point). Other than that the combat works and the art is charming in it's own way.The combat is 2D but Symphonia was 2D with a bit of 3D flair. I think this games biggest mistake was having to follow that juggernaut that is Symphonia. Is it the best in the series,no that's be either Vesperia or Abyss, but it doesn't not deserve the bile it tends to get.It's definitely better than the god-awful Phantasia remake
 

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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 seems to get a massive amount of hate. Some of it is definitely justified (air support, M203/M79 spam)... but I honestly thought it was the best of the series to date. For multiplayer, anyway... which is where I generally spend most of my time with a CoD game.

Mass Effect 2 also seems to get quite a bit of hate, and yet I love it. To me the Mass Effect series is mostly made memorable by its characters, and the second game was pretty much entirely focused on the characters. It almost had sort of a "Dirty Dozen" vibe to it. I get that a lot of people dislike how much the gameplay was changed for it... but that never really bothered me much, since it wasn't the gameplay that made me fall in love with the first game either.

Half-Life: Opposing Force. Does this count? I don't know. It never seems to get mentioned much, but I honestly had more fun with it than the original Half-Life (which I also love).

Jagged Alliance: Back in Action. I 100% understand the hate that this game gets, being a pretty obsessive fan of the original Jagged Alliance 2 and the 1.13 fan patch. I really can't explain why I love Back in Action. Maybe it's just that I miss squad-based tactical strategy games soooo much that I'll take whatever I can get, even if it's not very good.
 

Tuesday Night Fever

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wombat_of_war said:
JA: BIA have they fixed the ability to swap inventory on the strategic map or do you still have to walk all over the place including to the airport to pick up gear?
They did finally add sector inventory similar to what you'd see in Jagged Alliance 2... only like most things in Back in Action, it's much, much buggier.

Depending on how you move things between sector and personal inventory, it's entirely possible to either duplicate an infinite number of an item or make items vanish permanently... completely by accident.

The first time I played the game post-update, I accidentally managed to duplicate the bundle of diamonds you can find early-on in the game, completely breaking the game's monetary progression and difficulty curve.

This was a couple months ago, though. It may have been patched since then. I kinda doubt it, though.
 

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Dawn of War: Soulstorm.

It may have been worse than Dark Crusade and it gets a lot of flak from almost everyone, but it did give us Carron and Boreale and I just can't hate the game because of them.
 

The White Hunter

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putowtin said:
SkarKrow said:
That'll probably have to do for now beyond saying that AC: Revelations is better than Brotherhood by a long shot and that AC2 is still the best entry in the series.

There all classic's, as they star Ezio.... the interesting one!
(I'm not at all bias!)

OT I really enjoy Mercenaries 2
It's my go to game when I just want to blow something up!
Ezio: the one with a personality and not just anger and/or naive vengefulness!
 

putowtin

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SkarKrow said:
putowtin said:
SkarKrow said:
That'll probably have to do for now beyond saying that AC: Revelations is better than Brotherhood by a long shot and that AC2 is still the best entry in the series.

There all classic's, as they star Ezio.... the interesting one!
(I'm not at all bias!)

OT I really enjoy Mercenaries 2
It's my go to game when I just want to blow something up!
Ezio: the one with a personality and not just anger and/or naive vengefulness!
Ezio: The one with more than two emotions! (And a wonderful singing voice!)
 

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Eh, ME2 and FF8 aren't really black sheep I think. ME2 only gets flak from the die-hard ME1 fanboys/girls. Anyone looking at both games with a critical eye can see that ME2 improved on quite a few things, even if it also did some things worse. And FF8 is actually considered as one of the better final fantasy games were I live.

My black sheep game(s):

CS 1.6: Especially in this age of 'CoD and BF is where it's at!' I tend to get scoffed at when I tell people I like CS a lot better. Most CoD/BF players that try CS seem to find it too hard. They don't put it in those words, but that's what it boils down to.

Guitar hero 3/4: Most people I talk to about such things see the GH games as non-serious party games. Anyone playing it semi-seriously or alone is lame. I like it though. Fun songs to listen to, and fun to play even while being alone.
 

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FF8: Storyline can be meh but the gameplay is awesome and Draw is easy to avoid if you know how to play the game with the refine and Triple Triad is great.

Sonic Heroes: Rails could be broken as all hell but the game was a lot of fun and I really liked the multiple character system though the fact that you have to get A's to get Super Hard mode sucks. Also, awesome boss battles except for one of the minion tournaments being done twice.

Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers: Yeah the story was crap and predictable although I love Layle because his smart ass attitude reminds me of me with his real lack of desire to do this crap. The achievements are cool and I like how explorable the worlds feel. Making all the items was what I was doing when I played. Battles could be a bit repetitive but I liked some of the innovation you had to do. Music was great. I had over fifty hours on the game and I was just at the beginning of my second playthrough. The waiting for battles really sucked and was so annoying when I needed to get the items such as in the plains near the ice level. Damn, I really want to play now. I saw the 5.5 from GI and I said, it looks awesome, me wanty. Awesome Christmas present.

I may be missing a couple of things.

I feel that this could also divulge into games you hate but anyone else loves.

For that: Bioware. Just Bioware.
 

The White Hunter

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putowtin said:
SkarKrow said:
putowtin said:
SkarKrow said:
That'll probably have to do for now beyond saying that AC: Revelations is better than Brotherhood by a long shot and that AC2 is still the best entry in the series.

There all classic's, as they star Ezio.... the interesting one!
(I'm not at all bias!)

OT I really enjoy Mercenaries 2
It's my go to game when I just want to blow something up!
Ezio: the one with a personality and not just anger and/or naive vengefulness!
Ezio: The one with more than two emotions! (And a wonderful singing voice!)
Not to mention Ezio was actually in charge and understood the need to put revenge on the back burner for more important things. Oh and more actual assassinations, better mission design, better environmental design, etc...
 

The White Hunter

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recruit00 said:
I feel that this could also divulge into games you hate but anyone else loves.

For that: Bioware. Just Bioware.
Mass Effect. I absolutely despised Mass Effect 2, it was boring, slow and tedious, the whole experience felt like grinding, the combat was wholly unenjoyable and so much of the game was like getting blood from a stone.

Dragon Age had a similar problem but I enjoyed it more, but I was aware I was playing a PC game on a console and that that was why it was hard - lack of correct tools.
 

God's Clown

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I like Dragon Age 2, does that count? I think it should, quite a lot of people don't like it. Cause it isn't Dragon Age: Origins, which is fair reason to not like it, Origin's was sex, but DA2 is still pretty awesome. Lady Hawke + Isabella = well, sex.
 

Starik20X6

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Super Mario Bros. 2 is a good game. When will I get another game that plays like that, Nintendo? Heck, make it a game all about Toad while you're at it.
 

Evil Smurf

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I like LoZ: Skyward sword, it is so beautiful and I like the controls.
 

Chester Rabbit

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Ummm...Splinter Cell Double Agent?
I don't know why so many people consider this game the beginning of the downfall of Splinter Cell. To me it seems like it did everything Chaos Theory did and then improved upon it.