12/21/2012

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Ok, before anyone gets the idea I'm a paranoid nutcase let me put it to rest... I am a paranoid nutcase on some levels, but I'm not an end of the world type of person. I see things differently (as do we all) than most people and my view is that its just a shift in galactic position and that change does affect us as humans as well as all other life on this planet. I don't believe its an upheaval of crazy proportions or an apocalyptic destruction of the world and the end of all life. But I do believe the position we are in, lining up with the galactic core, is responsible for the things we call "global climate change" or "global warming", as well as other odd occurrences.
Magnetic pulls affect human beings and their behavior (my belief) and the EM fields we all have. As such a change in external forces pulling and pushing against that EM field can have interesting physiological and psychological effects on us. As I believe the Lunar pull affects the tides, it also affects our moods so its no stretch of imagination to believe that galactic pulls can do the same.
http://www.december212012.com/articles/general_information/Is_There_Science_Behind_2012_Prophecies.htm
Now what we know about these things is a drop of water in a bucket in an ocean 1000 cubic miles across and deep, the rest of what we "know" is theoretical knowledge which in my opinion is just educated guessing with mathematics to "back up" what we can't prove by scientific method. But I feel and believe that this is a significant event in our lifetime and is also a good thing to consider when we discuss the random craziness thats been happening across the globe (and "at home").
A rise in mass killings may be caused by this event whether its the actual forces at play or just people going "Y2K" on us once again.
Your thoughts on this? Any other theories you wanna put out? I don't want this to degenerate into a "you are wrong, I'm right" type of discussion so please limit your comments to constructive themes. I shouldn't have to say that but I've seen things degenerate here in the past.
Thanks.

 

[Rose and Thorn]

A rise in mass killings may be caused by this event whether its the actual forces at play or just people going "Y2K" on us once again.

Yeah I can see this happening, after all so many people are going to great lengths to "prepare" for the 21st, is it so crazy to think there are some that will think of creative ways to go out with a bang? I think not. It is a little unnerving.

 

[xDarc]

The mass killings have to do with the stagnant economy and breakdown in traditional family; two very intertwined things degrading for decades now. Globalization. No one talks about this anymore. But globalization is the root of all evils. Thanks to globalization, your labor is worth less, your costs of living are higher, your grandparents probably had a hand in raising many of you younger ones as mom and dad worked all the time.

Of course there's just crazy, but mental health costs money. No one wants to spend real money to cure someone of their imaginary problems, not in this economy.

Anyway, it's only gonna get worse as the population continues to skyrocket over the next 30 years. The top 1% keep getting richer and the gap keeps increasing because they are cashing out. The game is coming to a close, it's time to reset the scoreboard and start over with something that will kill billions of people.

That's the only thing humans seem to know, expand until there are too many to feed and then let anarchy destroy society.

And repeat.

Everyone has always said the world will end, I'm not saying it's going to end- I'm saying either globalization succeeds (and trust me, you won't like it- the whole point of globalization is central control to make sure the burden of the world's population has just enough to not revolt) or like many other man-made plans; it fails and society crumbles on a scale never seen before. Billions die.

 

[Rawne1980]

I, personally, don't think anything at all significant is going to happen.

I've lived through far too many "it's the end of the wooooooorld" predictions to give a shit about them anymore.

The sheer stupidity I saw around Y2K was fucking hilarious. The absolute bollocks people were coming up with "all the computer systems will reset WE WILL BE BACK IN THE DARK AGES" ...... I wish i'd filmed most of it so I could laugh at it properly again today.

I'm just waiting for the hilarity of reading all about peoples moronic behaviour when I pick up the paper on the 22nd.

 

[Redingold]

Let's just take a look at your claim that galactic tidal forces will have any effect whatsoever.

The equation for tidal forces is a = +/- 2GMRr[sup]-3[/sup], where in this case M is the mass of the Milky Way, R is the radius of the Earth, and r is the distance to the centre of the Milky Way. G is the gravitational constant. Plugging the numbers in gives an acceleration of magnitude 2.23*10[sup]-23[/sup]ms[sup]-2[/sup]. This is actually an exaggeration, the actual value is smaller than this because I really should only consider the galactic mass that lies inwards of the solar system.

Anyway, this is on the order of 10[sup]-17[/sup] times weaker than the tidal acceleration caused by the Moon. That is, it is 0.00000000000000001 times as strong. This is so negligible that if you stood on the equator, and then walked one metre north, the change in gravitational acceleration (which changes with longitude because of the rotation of the Earth) would still be stronger by a factor of 10[sup]7[/sup] than any galactic tidal effect.

The galaxy produces no measurable tidal effects on the Earth, and any effects in does create are less noticeable than the effect of you walking slightly north.

Despite your claims to the contrary, we understand an awful lot about tides, and magnetic fields.

 

[Hoplon]

Ok, before anyone gets the idea I'm a paranoid nutcase let me put it to rest... I am a paranoid nutcase on some levels, but I'm not an end of the world type of person. I see things differently (as do we all) than most people and my view is that its just a shift in galactic position and that change does affect us as humans as well as all other life on this planet. I don't believe its an upheaval of crazy proportions or an apocalyptic destruction of the world and the end of all life. But I do believe the position we are in, lining up with the galactic core, is responsible for the things we call "global climate change" or "global warming", as well as other odd occurrences.
Magnetic pulls affect human beings and their behavior (my belief) and the EM fields we all have. As such a change in external forces pulling and pushing against that EM field can have interesting physiological and psychological effects on us. As I believe the Lunar pull affects the tides, it also affects our moods so its no stretch of imagination to believe that galactic pulls can do the same.
http://www.december212012.com/articles/general_information/Is_There_Science_Behind_2012_Prophecies.htm
Now what we know about these things is a drop of water in a bucket in an ocean 1000 cubic miles across and deep, the rest of what we "know" is theoretical knowledge which in my opinion is just educated guessing with mathematics to "back up" what we can't prove by scientific method. But I feel and believe that this is a significant event in our lifetime and is also a good thing to consider when we discuss the random craziness thats been happening across the globe (and "at home").
A rise in mass killings may be caused by this event whether its the actual forces at play or just people going "Y2K" on us once again.
Your thoughts on this? Any other theories you wanna put out? I don't want this to degenerate into a "you are wrong, I'm right" type of discussion so please limit your comments to constructive themes. I shouldn't have to say that but I've seen things degenerate here in the past.
Thanks.

I'm afraid it is the same weird piling of meaning on the the meaningless that people do a lot with ends of thing. it's the end defunct calender cycle, that's all.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Let's just take a look at your claim that galactic tidal forces will have any effect whatsoever.

The equation for tidal forces is a = +/- 2GMRr[sup]-3[/sup], where in this case M is the mass of the Milky Way, R is the radius of the Earth, and r is the distance to the centre of the Milky Way. G is the gravitational constant. Plugging the numbers in gives an acceleration of magnitude 2.23*10[sup]-23[/sup]ms[sup]-2[/sup]. This is actually an exaggeration, the actual value is smaller than this because I really should only consider the galactic mass that lies inwards of the solar system.

Anyway, this is on the order of 10[sup]-17[/sup] times weaker than the tidal acceleration caused by the Moon. That is, it is 0.00000000000000001 times as strong. This is so negligible that if you stood on the equator, and then walked one metre north, the change in gravitational acceleration (which changes with longitude because of the rotation of the Earth) would still be stronger by a factor of 10[sup]7[/sup] than any galactic tidal effect.

The galaxy produces no measurable tidal effects on the Earth, and any effects in does create are less noticeable than the effect of you walking slightly north.

Despite your claims to the contrary, we understand an awful lot about tides, and magnetic fields.

LOOK OUT HE'S USING MATH!!!

OT: If humanity is going to fall it is probably going to be caused by something over a long, long time. I don't think magnetic fields are going to be responsible for it. Surpassing sustainable food production due to overpopulation and fighting over our reserves has my vote for THE END but I don't know when it would happen. Certainly not within the month.

I don't really seriously believe in anything that will decimate the human race within my lifetime. I pray I'm never given cause to think otherwise by some event.

 

[Quaxar]

Silly you, there is no 21st month.

Lining up with the galactic core? Our galaxy is rotating around it, how could we ever NOT line up with the center?
That's like saying that tomorrow we'll be lined up with the sun. Not wrong but utterly irrelevant.

pew pew

What the hell did I just read?

 

[DoPo]

Despite your claims to the contrary, we understand an awful lot about tides, and magnetic fields.

Really?


XD

But yeah, I agree. Also, can anybody check and tell me if that alignment is in any way special? As in, it could be happening every couple of months or whatever.

I, personally, don't think anything at all significant is going to happen.

I've lived through far too many "it's the end of the wooooooorld" predictions to give a shit about them anymore.

The sheer stupidity I saw around Y2K was fucking hilarious. The absolute bollocks people were coming up with "all the computer systems will reset WE WILL BE BACK IN THE DARK AGES" ...... I wish i'd filmed most of it so I could laugh at it properly again today.

I'm just waiting for the hilarity of reading all about peoples moronic behaviour when I pick up the paper on the 22nd.

Yeah, that would be really funny. Just prepare for 2038 - I'm sure the media would love to overhype that threath (for the record, it's sort of the same as the Y2K bug [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem])

 

[Wyes]

Ok, before anyone gets the idea I'm a paranoid nutcase let me put it to rest... I am a paranoid nutcase on some levels, but I'm not an end of the world type of person. I see things differently (as do we all) than most people and my view is that its just a shift in galactic position and that change does affect us as humans as well as all other life on this planet. I don't believe its an upheaval of crazy proportions or an apocalyptic destruction of the world and the end of all life. But I do believe the position we are in, lining up with the galactic core, is responsible for the things we call "global climate change" or "global warming", as well as other odd occurrences.
Magnetic pulls affect human beings and their behavior (my belief) and the EM fields we all have. As such a change in external forces pulling and pushing against that EM field can have interesting physiological and psychological effects on us. As I believe the Lunar pull affects the tides, it also affects our moods so its no stretch of imagination to believe that galactic pulls can do the same.
http://www.december212012.com/articles/general_information/Is_There_Science_Behind_2012_Prophecies.htm
Now what we know about these things is a drop of water in a bucket in an ocean 1000 cubic miles across and deep, the rest of what we "know" is theoretical knowledge which in my opinion is just educated guessing with mathematics to "back up" what we can't prove by scientific method. But I feel and believe that this is a significant event in our lifetime and is also a good thing to consider when we discuss the random craziness thats been happening across the globe (and "at home").
A rise in mass killings may be caused by this event whether its the actual forces at play or just people going "Y2K" on us once again.
Your thoughts on this? Any other theories you wanna put out? I don't want this to degenerate into a "you are wrong, I'm right" type of discussion so please limit your comments to constructive themes. I shouldn't have to say that but I've seen things degenerate here in the past.
Thanks.

Alrighty, where to start... first of all, you have a 21st month where you come from?

As others have pointed out; we're ALWAYS lined up with the galactic core, how can we not be? Any 2 points in space are always in a line. Now after briefly reading over the link you provide, what he seems to be saying is that as we pass through the 'equator' of the Milky Way (slightly dodgy terminology but I get what's meant by it), there'll somehow be a clear path between us and the galactic core; the thing is, the Milky Way is mostly empty space, and at any given moment in time there's a pretty good chance that there's a clear path between us and the galactic core. It doesn't mean anything.

This 'time is a wave' stuff isn't very coherent. Time itself isn't cyclical (at least, not on the timescales he's talking about). It's possible what he's trying to talk about is domains of influence or light cones, but all that really means is that something that happened at some point in space and time can only effect other things around it in a certain location in space-time (i.e. the more time has passed, the larger the space that can be effected; this is just the limitation that information can't travel faster than the speed of light).

We are never at the same point in time (because time moves only forwards), but we CAN be at the same point in space. Things such as orbits etc. However, this is only relative to something (e.g. in the Solar System, we orbit about the Sun), and the Solar System orbits the galactic core once every ~240 million years (a so-called Cosmic Year). This doesn't mesh with the timescales provided in the article.

Also, he mentions 'magnetic filaments' eminating from the galactic core. We can find those much closer to home, where they're much more likely to cause issues for us; the Sun emits the aforementioned magnetic filaments, usually corresponding with a solar flare.

And, as Redingold up there mentioned, the effect of any gravitational tidal effect from the galactic core is going to be extremely tiny, to the point where any potential effect would be completely washed out by tidal effects from the Moon and the Sun (in fact, I'm willing to bet we'd see a greater tidal effect from Jupiter).

And finally with regards to that article, he admits he is a geologist. He is not a physicist or an astronomer, and thus at least isn't qualified to say much about galactic dynamics (which is not to say this is why what he's saying isn't right, just that he has no qualifications that would make me trust him). He certainly seems to get the geology right (e.g. Earth's magnetic field flips every so often).

I don't have anything to say about magnetic fields effecting human behaviour; I don't know anything about it, and I can't really find any scientific articles on the topic.


EDIT: I should probably point out that I'm not looking to burst your bubble, or tell you that you're wrong and I'm right, or whatever. All I want is for you to examine the facts.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

I, personally, don't think anything at all significant is going to happen.

I've lived through far too many "it's the end of the wooooooorld" predictions to give a shit about them anymore.

The sheer stupidity I saw around Y2K was fucking hilarious. The absolute bollocks people were coming up with "all the computer systems will reset WE WILL BE BACK IN THE DARK AGES" ...... I wish i'd filmed most of it so I could laugh at it properly again today.

I'm just waiting for the hilarity of reading all about peoples moronic behaviour when I pick up the paper on the 22nd.

To be fair to Y2K it did screw up a lot of corporate company records because for some daft reason people in the 70's never really believed humanity would make it unscathed to the year 2000 (what with Global cooling [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling] about to freeze the earth, inevitable nuclear Armageddon from the Cold War and the countless other end of the world theories: It's good to see that we are so much more enlightened in our modern age.)
So the computer systems of the largest corporations were never built to deal with calculating dates larger than 1999. Most of this was sorted out before time, but an awful lot wasn't discovered until programmers tried to redeem the dates of certain life insurance policies back and discovered they were on file as being opening some time in the year 1083 (as opposed to 1983) or that the date the roof was last repaired (apparently this knowledge is really important to your home insurance policy) was recorded as the year 2055 as opposed to 1955. This is actually the case in the insurance company I work for, and apparently fixing the problem would be too difficult as it would involve reformatting hundreds of files and thousands of records, so they jury-rigged an Excel spreadsheet to process these specific dates, taking away or adding the appropriate amount so the date was correct.

Not really important to this discussion, but I laughed my ass off in the meeting that they were discussing these 'little' problems, with all these men in suits saying "We tried to fix it but it was just too much work, so when you get a request for these details, run them through this spreadsheet to avoid any accusations by the claimant of time travel."

 

[xDarc]

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This is definitely a contender for the craziest, most offensive post of the year. Xanthious,[footnote]I'm still counting him, because he still has time to form an alt account. I don't want to put the poor guy out of the running just yet.[/footnote] Blablahb, Gorf, and Therumancer might be having to up their game.

This is unlike any other point in history. Either a one-world government succeeds and central control is established so that we do not pro-create and consume ourselves into starvation and anarchy, or billions of people have to die.

You want to know what crazy is? People who think technology will magically just fix everything.

 

[Quaxar]

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This is definitely a contender for the craziest, most offensive post of the year. Xanthious, Blablahb, Gorf, and Therumancer might be having to up their game.

This is unlike any other point in history. Either a one-world government succeeds and central control is established so that we do not pro-create and consume ourselves into starvation and anarchy, or billions of people have to die.

I see we've started the Nixon 3012 campaign early.

Do you happen to have anything going for that theory apart from a population graph and an idea? We're pretty good at overcoming odds. <url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug>One new wheat type has saved up to a billion people alone. You also seem to completely ignore the idea of a self-righting system, a thing existing in pretty much every ecological system observed.

 

[Xdeser2]

The mass killings have to do with the stagnant economy and breakdown in traditional family; two very intertwined things degrading for decades now. Globalization. No one talks about this anymore. But globalization is the root of all evils. Thanks to globalization, your labor is worth less, your costs of living are higher, your grandparents probably had a hand in raising many of you younger ones as mom and dad worked all the time.

Of course there's just crazy, but mental health costs money. No one wants to spend real money to cure someone of their imaginary problems, not in this economy.

Anyway, it's only gonna get worse as the population continues to skyrocket over the next 30 years. The top 1% keep getting richer and the gap keeps increasing because they are cashing out. The game is coming to a close, it's time to reset the scoreboard and start over with something that will kill billions of people.

That's the only thing humans seem to know, expand until there are too many to feed and then let anarchy destroy society.

And repeat.

Everyone has always said the world will end, I'm not saying it's going to end- I'm saying either globalization succeeds (and trust me, you won't like it- the whole point of globalization is central control to make sure the burden of the world's population has just enough to not revolt) or like many other man-made plans; it fails and society crumbles on a scale never seen before. Billions die.

Globalization is a good thing lol

but hey, if you want to be a conspiracy nut, im not gonna stop you

 

[Daaaah Whoosh]

What I want to know is if we actually want the world to end or not. It really seems like we're fascinated with the subject, and we're more worried about being the ones to survive than trying to prevent it. But I guess in the grand scheme of things, there's not much a conspiracy theorist can do to save the world.

 

[CrazyGirl17]

...Yeah... I'm not very good at complex math, so I'm gonna pass on that.

I honestly don't believe the world will end soon... though I am so freaking sick and tired of hearing people talk about it! I'm already paranoid, I don't need this!

And I'm really not looking forward to hearing what people will do Friday/ the endless TV specials on the so-called "Mayan Prophecy"...

...Sorry, can you tell that I'm fed up with this shit?

 

[Eddie the head]

What the fuck are all of you talking about? I mean that what the Hell?