13-Year Old Girl, Strip Searched ; For what ?

[Ameatypie]

The matter does need to be discussed in the Supreme Court - my guess is that what they found was different to what they were searching for.

 

[Pigeon_Grenade]

that, is just one big Pile of Bullshit

 

[Avatar Roku]

...Guilty until proven innocent. It's absurd.

Its the other way around here in England, innocent until proven guilty.
But im pretty sure, strip searching an emotional unstable (she's 13, and just hit puberty probably, she wont be the most self-confident person) 13 year old girl, over iboprofen??!

Democracy is a nice name for the new regime.
If you still think your votes and opinions count...well...sorry guys.
The problem with politicians is that their politicians.

The vote will go in favour of whoever they think will make them look better in the public eye.
So, if they get enough press about how horrible it was theres a good chance the pressure will make them find in the favour of the girl and her family.

But still...its just sick.

Well, it is Innocent Until Proven Guilty in America, officially, as well. He was just commenting that this goes against it.

 

[kommando367]

I would've broke free, tackled some people, and ran out of the office.

No you wouldn't have. Most people cannot predict how they will act in situations that they have never been in before, quite a simple psychological fact.

And I exist within the minority in that equation, I can "foresee" in its rudimentary form based on how I know people will react. And trust me, they would've held me down becuase they know how I think, or atleast how I've previously thought.

 

[DM.]

The jokes on you yanks.

Fact is that the fascist/Commie states actually won the cold war. They packed up and left because they realised your government was and is doing worse things to your own people and subjecting you to more ridiculously restrictive legislation that their cause became redundant. So they gave you a bit of a golfclap around 1991 as the Berlin Wall was coming down then narfed off for a couple of vodkas to celebrate.

This is just an additional sprinkle of icing sugar on an already over-decorated cake..

Yeah yeah, I can only assume you're British. Last time I checked, the U.K. had a security cam on every street corner and in nearly every building in the country. Something like a camera for every 5 people?

Not to mention I heard a case involving a school in the U.K. where a student found a camera in the bathroom wall, pulled it out and brought it to the office only to find out he ripped out school property.

Nope. I live in the Switzerland of the southern hemisphere; Australia. Thank god for that. Sometimes it's good to be the country a long way away from where the action is. So long as we're out of ICBM range when the older and more *snicker* "civilized" countries go insane I don't really care.

FACT It's a camera for every 20 people in large citys.

Also, we have more pedos per head then the USA.

 

[JWAN]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

That's not what we're discussing here. It has nothing to do with justification. It has to do with legality and side effects.

Being stripped naked against your will and searched by people who have no authority to do so will FUCK SOMEONE UP psychologically.

and distributing painkillers to a bunch of 13 year old's WONT mess a kid up?
look, that has EVERYTHING to do with the story, we don't know the circumstances and in this country its innocent until proven guilty.and I don't think I need to warn anybody in here that the media has one goal (both sides) the best story makes the best money and there is no news like bad news.
its not fire aim ready its ready aim fire and you cant start making calls when you fog your mind with hate all of the time

That's irrelevant to the situation. Strip searching without a warrant goes against innocent until proven guilty, you know?

no, that goes in the evidence bin to go to court

You confuse me.

You seem to be on the laws side, but then completely go against The fourth amendment of the constitution [http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4].

Your logic(or lackthereof) confuses me.

she had drugs with intent to distribute, that's a reason, a damn good reason

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

What do police do right before they put the cuffs on you? They search you, they do that so you don't sneak anything back into prison like weapons, handcuff keys, DRUGS. that sort of thing, correct? (Y/N)
That girl had no reason to be carrying those drugs on her person, undeclared and unknown to the school nurse in a fucking middle school. She is being charged with intent to distribute, meaning she was not only carrying the drugs she was planning on SELLING them.
The warrant is for searching your house or your car (if its on your property)
The 4th amendment has nothing to do with this. get over it,
I also have reason to believe that this never even happened. Remember the Duke case about the sports team being charged with raping some black exotic dancer? CNN MSNBC NBC and every other major news corporation went ape shit along with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. it turns out that there were no signs of rape, actually the DNA of any of the players was absent of the scene entirely, the exotic dancer wanted money

 

[Booze Zombie]

The American government should renovate the statue of liberty, removing her clothes and placing her in the "covering myself" pose.
The sign in front would read "she's clean, move along".

 

[Kuroi Youkai]

she had drugs with intent to distribute, that's a reason, a damn good reason

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

What do police do right before they put the cuffs on you? They search you, they do that so you don't sneak anything back into prison like weapons, handcuff keys, DRUGS. that sort of thing, correct? (Y/N)
That girl had no reason to be carrying those drugs on her person, undeclared and unknown to the school nurse in a fucking middle school. She is being charged with intent to distribute, meaning she was not only carrying the drugs she was planning on SELLING them.
The warrant is for searching your house or your car (if its on your property)
The 4th amendment has nothing to do with this. get over it,
I also have reason to believe that this never even happened. Remember the Duke case about the sports team being charged with raping some black exotic dancer? CNN MSNBC NBC and every other major news corporation went ape shit along with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. it turns out that there were no signs of rape, actually the DNA of any of the players was absent of the scene entirely, the exotic dancer wanted money

Did any of you fucking people ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE? Click the link, it says RIGHT FRIGGIN' THERE that she was strip-searched on the SUSPICION of carrying ibuprofen, and was ultimately found to not have ANY drugs of ANY kind.

 

[captainwillies]

words

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensacola_Christian_College#Rules_and_regulations

read the rules.

vomit.

move on.

 

[Kais86]

What the hell, over? Whether or not it is against the constitution is irrelevant, as it should be against the constitution. The thought of such an act should be morally reprehensible (at the very least) to anyone allowed a public office, of any sort, including, perhaps especially, an office in a school.

This is a facepalm moment if I've ever heard one, I think the supreme court might need help on it though, could someone in the area give it to them, because right now they are incapable of giving it to themselves.

 

[Knight Templar]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

The school say it happend like this (im my words but their version):

That kid says you have drugs, I will now strip search you naked.
Ok I found nothing, you can go.


They never thought to check her desk or locker or call an adult and now they want the right to do cavity searches when they think somebody might have something.
For god sake there was nothing beyond "I say" to give the right to brake the law, crushing somebody mentaly should not be the first or second or fifth step when dealing with a 13 year old!

She doesn't have the ablity to be a drug dealer, and if she did the school should have called the cops and an adult.

The School isn't saying this didn't happen; they are saying it was ok and they should be able to do more, to more, people. Didn't know US schools were pro-rape.

(my info came from a US news report, let me know if it is incorrect)

 

[WeedWorm]

Ibuprofen? Are you fucking kidding me? We have that home in the press with the painkillers and whatnot. Fucking lawsuit, right now. The pricipal should be fired and the cops should be put on unpaid leave, at the very least. Fucking pigs, think they can do whatever the fuck they want just cause they have a badge. Unless Im somehow mistaken, Im pretty sure the phrase is "To PROTECT and SERVE".

Maybe they saw the pack, thought it could have been something like extacey, or some other pill based drug, asked if she had anything, but then to go as far as strip searching her, I mean they would have had to get the police involved to do that surely, not just a teacher, or even a school security guard. If nothing else the school should issue a public and unreserved apology over the situation, but to be honest that is just... sick.. messed up. I hope they sue.

...and I'm against sueing people, for just about anything, but that's rediculous.

First off, thats bollocks. Ibuprofen pills are marked, as far as I remember. Second, the parents should of been called FIRST then the cops.If they had be e's the cops should of taken down the station and questioned her, not strip her naked in a fucking school office.

Its times like these I wish George Carlin was still alive. Hed ahve a field day with this.

 

[kitsuna]

The jokes on you yanks.

Fact is that the fascist/Commie states actually won the cold war. They packed up and left because they realised your government was and is doing worse things to your own people and subjecting you to more ridiculously restrictive legislation that their cause became redundant. So they gave you a bit of a golfclap around 1991 as the Berlin Wall was coming down then narfed off for a couple of vodkas to celebrate.

This is just an additional sprinkle of icing sugar on an already over-decorated cake..

Yeah yeah, I can only assume you're British. Last time I checked, the U.K. had a security cam on every street corner and in nearly every building in the country. Something like a camera for every 5 people?

Not to mention I heard a case involving a school in the U.K. where a student found a camera in the bathroom wall, pulled it out and brought it to the office only to find out he ripped out school property.

Nope. I live in the Switzerland of the southern hemisphere; Australia. Thank god for that. Sometimes it's good to be the country a long way away from where the action is. So long as we're out of ICBM range when the older and more *snicker* "civilized" countries go insane I don't really care.

FACT It's a camera for every 20 people in large citys.

Also, we have more pedos per head then the USA.

Hey I never said it was perfect, but I can tell you that I never had to worry about some stranger twiddling my ring out with a rubber gloved finger over a half pack of headache tablets when I went to school in AU... and our pedophile activity isn't generally sanctioned by the state.

 

[jikkajojjo]

The american legal system fascinates me. It all seems a bit arbitrary.

 

[Mask of 1000 Faces]

This is something you would expect in the most corrupt and disturbing fascist states in history. The mere notion that the act is going to be discussed from being right or wrong in the supreme court sickens me. Though it really doesn't fucking surprise me anymore.

Here, here. America, the beautiful.

I third that.

I've given up being suprised myself, and thanks to the internet, nothing scares me anymore either.

All this over Ibuprofin... you'd think she had a live grenade or something.

 

[Straitjacketeering]

If anyone who was not an authority figure were to strip search me in school i'd grab my junk aim and piss all over them.

 

[LeonLethality]

I don't think that schools should have the right to do stuff like this (assuming they actually do). It's definitely a violation of privacy. If stuff like this needs to be done, it shouldn't be a random "on the spot" thing. There should be a real concern and cause for suspicion (like another student says that they saw another selling drugs, etc.).

yeah i gotta agree there, im all for searching lockers and maybe like backpacks, but stripsearching children seems a tad too far

 

[kawligia]

It is currently being taken to the Supreme Court where they will ACTUALLY DISCUSS whether or not it was warranted. Really? This requires a discussion in the supreme court when it's a clear violation of the 4th Amendment of the Constitution. For Ibuprofen of all things. This puts the matter in very dangerous territory, because if the ruling somehow passes as the search being acceptable then it will deem it perfectly acceptable in the future for all time until it is brought to the supreme court again, which would never happen. Completely allowing any school nearly just ground to strip search your child, your young brother or sister, niece.. think about this.

This is something you would expect in the most corrupt and disturbing fascist states in history. The mere notion that the act is going to be discussed from being right or wrong in the supreme court sickens me. Though it really doesn't fucking surprise me anymore.

How can the Supreme Court rule that the search was unconstitutional without first hearing the case? The court can't just throw around decisions without giving everyone a chance to be heard.

*FacePalm* [http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4]

Please just...shhh...

I know damn good and well what the Constitution says. What I'm saying is that the Supreme Court can't just rule based on a news headline. Do you see that part that says "due process?" That means, in part, that people have to have notice and "an opportunity to be heard." They have to allow everyone involved in the case an opportunity to be heard, even if the chances of their argument succeeding is very small.

How can the Supreme Court rule that the search was unconstitutional without first hearing the case? The court can't just throw around decisions without giving everyone a chance to be heard.

I'm not necessarily saying it shouldn't go to court, I'm saying that it worries me that it will reach ground zero with the possibility they will declare the search reasonable and thus allowing all schools to do so.

The last time the courts got involved with search and seizure in public schools similar to this level was 1985 when it was ruled backpacks could be deemed reasonable to search at any time. Going from backpacks to nude takes the cake in overreaction.

Note: To clarify, I'm saying that it should go to court as a lawsuit, but the grounds to decide it reasonable or not defies the constitution. It's completely unreasonable search. Just by going to the supreme court makes it a serious gamble, it's win or lose and lose is bad.

I agree that the search was unconstitutional. I would be pretty surprised if they ruled that it was constitutional. Especially since they just backed down on the extent to which the police can search you vehicle after a traffic stop. (They used to be able to search your car no matter what. Now they can only search it if they have to physically remove you from the car OR if they have reasonable suspicion that there is evidence of a crime in the car that led to the arrest.)

All I meant to say was that the Supreme Court granting a hearing the case does NOT imply that the search will be upheld. You seemed to think that them "discussing the case" implied that they were giving the case validity which isn't true. In fact, I would say it's the opposite. Out of all the hundreds of thousands of cases that appeal to the Supreme Court every year, only about 100 of them are granted a hearing. They don't grant hearings if they don't see a serious issue with the case. It wound have given the search more validity if they DECLINED to hear it.

 

[Aries_Split]

Load up on guns
Bring your friends
Its fun to lose
And to pretend
Shes overboard
Myself assured
I know I know
A dirty word.

So fucking disgusting. I already rage when I see abuses of power.

we don't have the whole story yet,
she was in a middle school with undeclared prescription strength medications. Step back a moment and look. People were saying that she was distributing them and we done even have an official RECORD of the search happening so far its a mother and a daughter's word vs the state and several million dollars makes good motivation for an "enhanced" story.

Im waiting for the whole thing to come out

That's not what we're discussing here. It has nothing to do with justification. It has to do with legality and side effects.

Being stripped naked against your will and searched by people who have no authority to do so will FUCK SOMEONE UP psychologically.

and distributing painkillers to a bunch of 13 year old's WONT mess a kid up?
look, that has EVERYTHING to do with the story, we don't know the circumstances and in this country its innocent until proven guilty.and I don't think I need to warn anybody in here that the media has one goal (both sides) the best story makes the best money and there is no news like bad news.
its not fire aim ready its ready aim fire and you cant start making calls when you fog your mind with hate all of the time

That's irrelevant to the situation. Strip searching without a warrant goes against innocent until proven guilty, you know?

no, that goes in the evidence bin to go to court

You confuse me.

You seem to be on the laws side, but then completely go against The fourth amendment of the constitution [http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4].

Your logic(or lackthereof) confuses me.

she had drugs with intent to distribute, that's a reason, a damn good reason

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

What do police do right before they put the cuffs on you? They search you, they do that so you don't sneak anything back into prison like weapons, handcuff keys, DRUGS. that sort of thing, correct? (Y/N)
That girl had no reason to be carrying those drugs on her person, undeclared and unknown to the school nurse in a fucking middle school. She is being charged with intent to distribute, meaning she was not only carrying the drugs she was planning on SELLING them.
The warrant is for searching your house or your car (if its on your property)
The 4th amendment has nothing to do with this. get over it,
I also have reason to believe that this never even happened. Remember the Duke case about the sports team being charged with raping some black exotic dancer? CNN MSNBC NBC and every other major news corporation went ape shit along with Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson. it turns out that there were no signs of rape, actually the DNA of any of the players was absent of the scene entirely, the exotic dancer wanted money

No, the Fourth Amendment assures people they will not be searched without a warrant given by someone in Judicial power.

 

[Joos]

Kids are too soft nowadays anyway, need a bit of hardening up.