Maybe he wanted to make sure he left an impact. I know I'd not be quick to forget that if I say it. Maybe knowing he'd be known brought him comfort?
Same! Brilliant quip... Even in a tragic situation like this. I enjoy these forums for the humor like this.SergeantAnt said:Haha very nice that actually made me lolpoiumty said:Must've been a Persona 3 fan.
Thats kinda crazy though to actually do that, he probably just got picked on all the time and decided that was the best way to get back at them or something.
Yes they do. For one thing, head =/= brain. Getting shot through the cheek is quite survivable. Also, Gabrielle Giffords was shot through the head recently, and lived. Even when people die it's rarely instantaneous, IIRC Lincoln lived until the next morning and was taken to the hospital. Remember, it said hospitalized not "with a good chance of recovery".spartan231490 said:People don't live through point blank head shots from fire-arms.Ironic Pirate said:If it was a pellet gun, I doubt he would have been hospitalized. Guns aren't like in games, there's no 100% fatal shot. The human body is a very complicated system, and a gun works by firing a very small chunk of metal through it at a very high speed. It will wreck your shit no matter what, but whether it will cause enough damage to kill you or not depends on a huge number of factors, and it's very rarely instant.spartan231490 said:Shot himself in the face, but was hospitalized? I bet it was a pellet gun. Don't really care why he did it myself, doesn't change my opinions on gun control or bullying.
If he was bullied by most of the other students then it justified payback in my eyes, and probably his. Well, what's left of them... yeah that was terrible of me.Regnes said:Kind of a douchey way to try and kill yourself. "Yeah, let's traumatize everybody by blowing my brains all over the place." Still, at least he didn't go on a rampage before trying to do himself in.
Which people are you referring to? Classmates? random passers-by? Police officers? EMT's? Perhaps oncoming traffic while driving? Perhaps the individual's children? Every group I refer to above were victims of some asshole who wanted to commit suicide, but thought it would be a swell idea to fuck up as many people as they could before following through with it. Those random people didn't "drive" them to do shit, much less aggressively involve them in some asshole's "go out with a bang" fantasy. Sorry, your logic is flawed both philosophically and in an applied sense. Sure there some people who are trapped and abused and escape by way of suicide, but NONE of those apply to some asshat who is so cowardly, selfish, and idiotic as to go out of their way to hurt other people just so they can have some sense of satisfaction.Sean951 said:I must disagree with that. It's other people who drive someone to suicide, and they will never change unless something drastic happens, like watching someone try and commit suicide.Zuljeet said:Dear world: if you want to commit suicide, DON'T VICTIMIZE EVERYONE ELSE. Go someplace quiet like Tijuana and piss off some obliging drug dealers.
So by age 18 you are mentally able to give your live for your country, drive, etc, but you're not mentally able to be in a relationship.Kopikatsu said:Why would a 14 year old be in a relationship to begin with?
Damn kids. Back in my day, we couldn't date until we were married. And marriage was forbidden until 24!
I'll give you the head =/= to brain thing, but it was reasonable to assume he wouldn't have been hospitalized for a shot that didn't penetrate the skull, he would have only needed stitches otherwise, unless it somehow grazed the eye.Ironic Pirate said:Yes they do. For one thing, head =/= brain. Getting shot through the cheek is quite survivable. Also, Gabrielle Giffords was shot through the head recently, and lived. Even when people die it's rarely instantaneous, IIRC Lincoln lived until the next morning and was taken to the hospital. Remember, it said hospitalized not "with a good chance of recovery".spartan231490 said:People don't live through point blank head shots from fire-arms.Ironic Pirate said:If it was a pellet gun, I doubt he would have been hospitalized. Guns aren't like in games, there's no 100% fatal shot. The human body is a very complicated system, and a gun works by firing a very small chunk of metal through it at a very high speed. It will wreck your shit no matter what, but whether it will cause enough damage to kill you or not depends on a huge number of factors, and it's very rarely instant.spartan231490 said:Shot himself in the face, but was hospitalized? I bet it was a pellet gun. Don't really care why he did it myself, doesn't change my opinions on gun control or bullying.
Here is a list of people who have survived similar injuries.
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saburo_Sakai#Serious_wounds[/link]
[link]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5177344/Woman-makes-cup-of-tea-after-being-shot-in-head.html[/link]
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Beck#20_July_plot[/link] (he was later finished off by a second headshot)
[link]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage[/link]
[link]http://weirdthings.com/2010/06/the-man-who-survived-10-shots-from-a-mexican-firing-squad-weirdest-survival-stories/[/link] (also survived nine preceding shots by firing squad)
This article goes more into detail about surviving brain injury, with mention to gunshot wounds.
[link]http://main.uab.edu/tbi/show.asp?durki=85704[/link]
According to ChaCha (not always the best source, admittedly) you have a 2% chance of surviving a headshot.
Just that he probably shot himself because of relationship issues with a girl, he was in critical condition on Friday, and this:ChaplainOrion said:So is there anymore news on the subject? I didn't see an update online on his condition.
May not be related, but hey.Walpole Elementary School, which includes grades 5-8, is one of five schools that recently began participating in an experiment aimed at reducing bullying and meanness in New Hampshire schools.
The Courage to Care curriculum, developed at the University of New Hampshire, includes videos, activities and games emphasizing empathy, caring for others, understanding power, courage and being respectful in cyberspace. Half of the seventh graders in each participating school are enrolled in the program initially, while the other half serve as control groups to compare the curriculum's effects.
Great words, but I feel like these would be lost on a 14-year old, who additionally likely lacks the means to skip town like this.Caligulove said:That's just chilling. Kid likely scarred every single person there in the cafeteria.
gives a good excuse to post this again, though
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Sorry for confusing your gospel song with a nursery rhyme... I sang both in preschool, easy to get confused... and hey... I remember putting rude words into it then too! The mature 4 year old I was...ablac said:When the saints come in is not a nursery rhyme. Im sorry I mispelled something i understand how abhorrent it is to get a mention. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but i do not have a problem with it. I infact just used it. I understand humour dont try and tell me that i dont on the basis that we dont agree on a single joke. What i was trying to say was that the joke was not suitable as no one has accused this of being the fault of videogames and that, while the finger is pointed regularily at games by the media, it has not yet been done here. Therefore the joke wasnt suitable because the story was about what had happened not the media fallout. Making a joke early is not clever. Its just that you think this event was trivial enough to joke about and that its fine to totally change the subject. Many people have trivialised this and those people are scum, the maker of the joke included. The joke is just lazy as sarcasm generally is. Very rarely has actual skill been put behind sarcasm and this is not one of those cases. He took a serious situation and trivialised it. If someone you knew had done this and someone decided to make this joke then you would hardly be in hysterics would you? no you, i hope at least to demonstrate you are at least human on some level, would be insulted because they were trivialising it. you dont joke about a real human being attempting suicide infront of 70 people.
why should i respect his? I don't expect anyone but those who are close to me to respect my death. If he was still alive i wouldn't expect him to respect me either.ablac said:Are these your emotions? No things humans do dont have to be humane. There is a certain amount of decency your supposed to have around extremely tragic events such as this and the way these people are behaving is completely wrong. I was raised to respect the lives of others. If you dont then why the hell should anyone respect yours? (not directed at the person i quoted if these aren't your views)werewolfsfury said:this is human nature as well kid.ablac said:To all those who want to say that he is doing a good thing taking himslef out of the gene pool or think this is a time for jokes: you are the ones who deserve to live on this world the least. If you wont behave like a human being then you shouldnt live. If you expect people to cry at your funeral then show some damn respect for the lives of others.
Could be he brought it to show off to his friends or something (maybe he found it in his house), and had it in his bag or under his shirt or something and then next thing you know they're looking at it and boom it goes off. Stranger things have happened.Kvaedi said:Well, technically just about anything you can imagine IS possible. However, there are very few self-inflicted accidental headshots (there are far, far more cases of people shooting themselves in the foot, hand, arm, and the like) that were not the result of pure stupidity in its finest, like pulling the trigger 'because I thought it wasn't loaded.'FalloutJack said:If that were only true...Kvaedi said:It's fairly difficult to accidentally shoot yourself with a gun, especially in the head...FalloutJack said:This could have been an accident or it could've been the prelude to something worse had he not been shot. We don't know why the gun was there and in his hands.
Sorry, it's just that people have accidentally shot others and themselves before. I'm not making an argument for the case being true HERE, but it is true in life. It's a possibility.
Now, if he were a really little kid who somehow got ahold of a gun, I would see more of a possibility of this, but a 14 year old? That's just not probable at all, because the only reasoning I can see behind bringing a gun to school when they're clearly and absolutely banned from school would be shooting people, and if you're not intending on shooting yourself, yet manage to point the barrel at your head...well damn.
The only way I could see that being the case would be if it was in his backpack, he reached back, fumbled with the trigger while pulling it out...still would be next to impossible to do that way, because of the amount of force needed to depress most triggers-it's not something that's easy to do accidentally at all, coupled with the fact he'd need to be pulling the gun out with the barrel towards his head, which would make pulling the trigger much harder, and would make just pulling the gun out harder in the first place....
I just don't see that happening.