15 year old girl kills herself after persistent bullying
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Damn.
I would hate for one of my past mistakes coming back to haunt me in that way. My condolences to her loved ones.
I would hate for one of my past mistakes coming back to haunt me in that way. My condolences to her loved ones.
A lot of "he-says, she-says" bullshit in this topic, followed by a ton of apathy with a dash of condescension.
The only thing I can take away from this is nothing new or profound: "People can be fucking sick."
The only thing I can take away from this is nothing new or profound: "People can be fucking sick."
Sorry if that shocked you, but you did not really think that a server could send you information in a network with a bazillion other computers connected if you would be anonymous, now did you? The Server you connect to known more then you think and probably even more than you do youself. It does not only know where you live, it also knows a lot of thinks about you PC and you Infrastructure, such as the network-card you use, which PC you use, it knows the connecting port-ids, it knows you ISP it knows if you use a router and the vendor of the router it knows if you are connected through cable or wireless... ans so much more. It just knows everything that is needed to to send you a message. And not only the server knows all this, every node in the network knows, that is how networks works. Its just one giant cluster of know-it-alls who known it allNouw said:
.I am sorry again if i am to shock you again, but that save-space you made on facebook is anything BUT save. facebook is the most gigantic Data-sucking... thing out there and its secrity starts in economylevel. What you know and use as facebook, that is not facebook. that is just some small webappliction used to lure people into sending and producing more data. How do you think does facebook make its millions of dollars? Simply by being a giant datawarehouse where companys can purchase information for statistics, consumer-info and marketing... or worse. Facebook does not really check who their customers are and if they are legit. And even if you re not connected to facebook, it will still track you, and alone by tracking someones surfing-habits a person can be identified. Facebook wants to close all gabs by letting websites such as this one place serverlinks in the form of small APIs or Plugins. Yes, the escapist is actively helping facebook to collect data from you and they probably don't even know that. Oh and the worst part is, if you close you account it will of cause not be deleted, they will track you and continue to collect data with the only difference, that now you cannot demand, steer or change the information they collect
Also, did you know that the first infection on a brand new PC with malware is statistically 2 SECONDS after connecting to the internet? AND That is the AVERAGE... (Source: Wirtschaftsinformatik 1 Neumann/Hansen)
Now just think about how a 12-year old is supposed to know all that and this is not even close to the tip of the iceberg. The digital world is extremely complex, far too complex for children and many parents to understand and yet they use it without caution. If you want to cyberbully/cybermob someone and know a bit of this, than your possibilities are almost limitless. Writing such small viruses that give you access to someones PC is extremely easy and don't even start to believe that a Macbook can keep you safe, the opposite is true, because Apple lies to you about security (at least MS is honest enough in that matter).
There is no save space on the internet. As soon as you have some kind of connection you are part of that and the internet does not pull punches for minors. That is why they need to learn and to be able to practice in a closed space.
Would it have hurt to reply in a less smug fashion? My twelve year old self would have felt more flipped off than shocked reading your reply. I'm not sure why you've suddenly bombarded me with facts when I was agreeing with you either. Anyway, thanks for the lecture but you're a couple years late. I wonder why no one told me this two years ago, *shrug.* I should also point out that I only used the term 'save-space' because you brought it up, and even then it was out of reputation. New personas and all.Okulossos said:
I do not feel sad that she is dead. I feel grief that she wasn't allowed to go peacefully.
The collective will supersaturate each innocent individual to hell.
We should each be free to be what we must be, and the collective should be confident enough to act as though life on earth does not have the right to be center stage to it all.
The collective will supersaturate each innocent individual to hell.
We should each be free to be what we must be, and the collective should be confident enough to act as though life on earth does not have the right to be center stage to it all.
So he flashed her tits. Don't understand why everyone shunned her for that. I thought that was common in the western world.
I believe that other teenagers bullied her to be on top themselves and used the titflashing as an excuse.
I was bullied a bit when I was in junior high (grade 7-9) and since I didn't retaliate, those fuckers didn't stop. I still want to retaliate though, so don't think feelings of past injustices disappear.
Her problem was that she was too weak! She should have stood up to them and talked back. And when she was punched she should have punched back!! That was how it was in Sweden (where I'm from) until 1980 or so. Kids were encouraged to be M-E-N! Fights in the schoolyards was not a big deal. Clean fights were OK. But when someone was struck down you didn't continue!
Telling the teacher (like I was told by both my mum and teachers) which is done since 1980 or so is COMPLETE BULLSHIT! I tried, believe me when I say it doesn't work.
A cute white girl died because she wasn't strong enough....dammit!
I believe that other teenagers bullied her to be on top themselves and used the titflashing as an excuse.
I was bullied a bit when I was in junior high (grade 7-9) and since I didn't retaliate, those fuckers didn't stop. I still want to retaliate though, so don't think feelings of past injustices disappear.
Her problem was that she was too weak! She should have stood up to them and talked back. And when she was punched she should have punched back!! That was how it was in Sweden (where I'm from) until 1980 or so. Kids were encouraged to be M-E-N! Fights in the schoolyards was not a big deal. Clean fights were OK. But when someone was struck down you didn't continue!
Telling the teacher (like I was told by both my mum and teachers) which is done since 1980 or so is COMPLETE BULLSHIT! I tried, believe me when I say it doesn't work.
A cute white girl died because she wasn't strong enough....dammit!
Damn, this is one bitter thread! I have only read this last page but fuuuuck! Some people sound like they belong with WBC.
I am one of the "people are always dying club" but I am not completely in that camp, people dying sucks (99% of the time anyway, if you have locked in syndrome then dying is a good thing) and I think a kid killing themself shouldn't happen.
Shame young people don't understand that life after school is SOOOO much different than life during school. You could be the biggest "loser" in school, then as soon as you leave none of it matters ... 95% of everything that happened in school doesn't effect anything after it.
That 5% is your grades and they only matter for future education/your first job. Your social standing in school lasts 16 years, after that your a new person. If she would have lasted till the end of high school she would have been fine ... hell, if she wanted to really escape the photo, change your name and get facebook to remove it.
Death is a permanent solution to minor problems.
I am one of the "people are always dying club" but I am not completely in that camp, people dying sucks (99% of the time anyway, if you have locked in syndrome then dying is a good thing) and I think a kid killing themself shouldn't happen.
Shame young people don't understand that life after school is SOOOO much different than life during school. You could be the biggest "loser" in school, then as soon as you leave none of it matters ... 95% of everything that happened in school doesn't effect anything after it.
That 5% is your grades and they only matter for future education/your first job. Your social standing in school lasts 16 years, after that your a new person. If she would have lasted till the end of high school she would have been fine ... hell, if she wanted to really escape the photo, change your name and get facebook to remove it.
Death is a permanent solution to minor problems.
Sad as it may be that she committed suicide, the video is a great testament to her character. Having been capable of surviving that torture for as long as she did (despite its emotional toll on her, and several attempts of escape) is admirable.
While the asocial, cynically objective bastard in me can think of a few points where she really didn't help her situation at all, it's horrifying to know that so many of her peers were so intent on making her life a living hell, over the course of years. When the root of it all was a simple mistake, and a repercussion not entirely foreseeable or preventable.
While the asocial, cynically objective bastard in me can think of a few points where she really didn't help her situation at all, it's horrifying to know that so many of her peers were so intent on making her life a living hell, over the course of years. When the root of it all was a simple mistake, and a repercussion not entirely foreseeable or preventable.
I don't want to be an asshole here or anything, so I'm going to try and pick my words carefully, as this is a tragic case, and she did not deserve this, but she also set the pins up to be knocked down herself.BloatedGuppy said:
I am seeing this more and more. The Facebook generation. Young people keep on posting information or pictures about themselves with no protection to it, for it to only come back and bit them hard, and here it bit her harder than most.
What is really needed is some sort of drive to educate children when their young about the dangers of the internet, encourage them to use it, but to use it right, and to not post things they wouldn't want others to see, or else this will, and has, kept happening. A sad truth I feel.
Perhaps I overdid it a bit but I guess you got my point, and even if I am too late for you I may not be too late for others. AND as you can see, since no one told you about all that when you would have needed it, that what you have learned in school or otherwise is by far not enough. I myself don't know everything I should know, even though its kinda what my research at university is about.Nouw said:
What I am trying to do here is show where the main problem is in a world where any child an just go online with his or her mobile phone anywhere and anytime and coorporations like facebook do their best to abuse this naive und unsave environment for pure profit.
And now we have people in this threat saying how dumb she must have been not to know all that... even though In highly doubt that they know anything of this themselves.
Just think about that makes you arrogant in a way... So sorry if it came accross like that, it was not my intention, just my point of view after reading some of what has been written on that subject.
Interesting Ceptcha: live free
Oh, did you know that ceptchas prevent nothing because pattern matching software is often even better than the human eye? Different story, sorry OT
.They already do that but no matter how much education they get young people still act foolishly. Some will stop but there will be plenty of rebellious, ignorant or naive teenagers that will do it anyway because the world wouldn't hurt them in such a fashion because they've been told that they're perfect or that they believe they're better than everyone else.Dr. Crawver said:
Enlightening will help some but to the bullies acting kind is just not fun or cool (which matters much more to the young) and to the bullied it only takes one mistake in a moment of arrogance (or being drunk which is often the case) to start the snowball. It's just a fact of life. Children are the most innocent but because of that they can be the cruelest too.
Kids will be cruel to each other. No changing that.
Her parents really should have kept a closer eye on her though. It's hard to believe that somebody can flash themselves at the age of 12, then be harassed for it until almost 16, without their parents noticing any change in them. Where were the parents in all of this?
Her parents really should have kept a closer eye on her though. It's hard to believe that somebody can flash themselves at the age of 12, then be harassed for it until almost 16, without their parents noticing any change in them. Where were the parents in all of this?
not going to try and say it'll stop bullying, or stop anything like this completely, but if they're taught at least a couple of signs to look out for, rather than fueling a fire, which a lot of them do, they might realize it might be time to call it quits. Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but worth a try, right?Olliesama said:
She flashed to a stranger on the internet, there wasn't any trust involves. But I totally agree, everyone makes mistake and it merits no where close to the amount of abuse she received.Hoplon said:
I don't mean any offense when I say this but that's quite naive thinking. You're trying to teach them signs to look out for but they truly don't care. Kids/teenagers are quite selfish and the only time they care for others is when it's beneficial for them. In their minds the only reason to look out for signs is because they'll get into trouble if they don't and if they're in the position to bully anyway, especially with the anonymity of the Internet, they would have no reason to look out for it.Dr. Crawver said:
Besides those that bully either don't know their bullying or they're purposely trying to hurt the other to get some self-satisfaction, or from their peers, to feel better about themselves. In both cases they won't look out for signs because they don't know their bullying or they simply don't care.
In my personal opinion, and feel free to hate it, I think she brought it on herself. She certainly didn't do things to help the situation. She never told the adults, went to court and made matters worse by sleeping with another girls boyfriend. As well as that she kept giving them reasons to hate on her more. She always had the option of not being on Facebook, especially if she was as friendless as she claims. Being in another city they'd have no way to contact her except phone and in that case it's a simple matter of clicking the ignore button. The bullies wouldn't go out of their way to spend money on new phones or cards to continue it, especially since that new phone or card can be easily ignored too.Deshara said: