15 year old girl kills herself after persistent bullying

[Matt King]

alright, just fyi this is not my opinion, this is a thing, not sure where it started but people have been posting it around fb, thought i'd get the escapist's opinion on it, there's a little bit more but i won't post that because of shear length:

Amanda Todd

Ok, well let's just get this all out of the way so you all can stop your bitching about this dead girl. A lot of what is posted in her video and on her page is fabricated to make her look like she was an angel. Think again.

1. She was 15 years old when she flashed those guys.
2. She did it out of her own free will. She CHOSE to do it.
3. She already flirted with many guys before.
4.
She got 'beat' up at school not because of the picture, but because she slept with another girl's boyfriend. (refer to #1)
5. The guy 'bullied' her once only about 6-8 months after she flashed online. Not multiple times over 2 years.
6. She was known to have slept with multiple men and to sell herself out.
7. Her home life wasn't the best. (family troubles)

You people who are giving her sympathy and pity should all be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of giving pity to a girl who already commited suicide, how about you talk to that lonely kid at lunch? Yea, the one who sits all alone in the corner. But no, you'd rather sit with your friends and then come home and get on facebook and say shit like 'Oh, how come no one helped poor Amanda, she's so pretty, why did she have to die'. FUCK YOU! Go crawl back in your shell of safety while the ones who really need help are only an arms length away.

 

[Olliesama]

alright, just fyi this is not my opinion, this is a thing, not sure where it started but people have been posting it around fb, thought i'd get the escapist's opinion on it, there's a little bit more but i won't post that because of shear length:

Amanda Todd

Ok, well let's just get this all out of the way so you all can stop your bitching about this dead girl. A lot of what is posted in her video and on her page is fabricated to make her look like she was an angel. Think again.

1. She was 15 years old when she flashed those guys.
2. She did it out of her own free will. She CHOSE to do it.
3. She already flirted with many guys before.
4.
She got 'beat' up at school not because of the picture, but because she slept with another girl's boyfriend. (refer to #1)
5. The guy 'bullied' her once only about 6-8 months after she flashed online. Not multiple times over 2 years.
6. She was known to have slept with multiple men and to sell herself out.
7. Her home life wasn't the best. (family troubles)

You people who are giving her sympathy and pity should all be ashamed of yourselves. Instead of giving pity to a girl who already commited suicide, how about you talk to that lonely kid at lunch? Yea, the one who sits all alone in the corner. But no, you'd rather sit with your friends and then come home and get on facebook and say shit like 'Oh, how come no one helped poor Amanda, she's so pretty, why did she have to die'. FUCK YOU! Go crawl back in your shell of safety while the ones who really need help are only an arms length away.

Congratulations, you've just posted what has already been posted that has reported that it's for 4chan. Like this response, you've made a worthless comment.

 

[TerribleAssassin]

Sucks that she killed herself, I'd still consider it a overreaction though.

Considering she was disrespected by everyone who knew her and clearly was mentally scarred by the actions of this guy, it wasn't an over reaction at all.

OT: Stories like this suck, especially because they hit home, people never learn.

 

[JohnDoey]

Sucks that she was bullied but she made the decision to kill herself by herself, while the bullies should be suspended or otherwise punished they aren't responsible for her decision to end her life.

 

[kahyonhowanen]

Sucks that she was bullied but she made the decision to kill herself by herself, while the bullies should be suspended or otherwise punished they aren't responsible for her decision to end her life.

Really? Cause it seems to me it kinda is their fault, since she wouldn't have chosen to take her life if they hadn't acted the way the do.

 

[Rellik San]

Sucks that she was bullied but she made the decision to kill herself by herself, while the bullies should be suspended or otherwise punished they aren't responsible for her decision to end her life.

Really? Cause it seems to me it kinda is their fault, since she wouldn't have chosen to take her life if they hadn't acted the way the do.

Suicide is always a choice, no one forced drugs, alcohol or blades into her hand. As someone who was bullied and beaten, choice is the one thing you can not take away, be it the choice to take it, to fight or to end your life. It is always your choice and there are always other options.

As an aside why was a 12 year old girl using the internet unsupervised? This whole thing could have been avoided had her parents actually... y'know... used parenting. Just sayin'.

What happened is tragic, but this happens A LOT and EVERY year. Her story is getting coverage because she made a dramatic youtube video which made her death tangible to most people. Is it tragic? of course it is, but for all of you claiming it's a tragedy and getting upset when someone has an opinion differing from out and out sympathy, how many of you were volunteering with Samaritans helplines BEFORE this happened? Because if you weren't, you're a hypocrite, if you care, there are ways to show you care.

In the interest of full disclosure; I don't volunteer for any Samaritans helplines, but I do regularly post on sites for troubled teens with my advice and experiences with bullying issues.

 

[Bruenin]

I can't help but feel that all these bullying instances are occurring because the younger generations are just doing things that previous generations didn't do until they were much older and could handle any of the consequences of their actions. I mean, a girl around 12 years old flashing herself for a guy on a webcam? That just seems so...impossible, to be the actions of a young girl. Maybe it's just all our new technology is making the younger generation feel they need to grow up and do more adult things at a younger and younger age, with disastrous results.

Regardless, it all comes down to the sick guy that threatened to share the photo of her and made her life spiral out of control. I can only give my best wishes to her family.

I've heard stories of kids showing off their 'stuff' to each other before, playing games and whatever, nothing serious really.

Technology makes work easier, any kind of work, even taking advantage of people. I don't think it's kids doing stupider things and trying to act more adult but the technology making them more vulnerable. Before if you did something stupid as a kid it went away after a bit, now it's kept around, follows you, shows up everywhere and is impossible to really remove.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

This is bad, and I feel sorry for her.

But, has anyone else noticed only female suicide victims really get noticed? They only account for 25% of the suicides, while males go 75%, but it's like everyone only really cares about it when a girl dies? I've personally never heard a news report about a boy committing suicide, only girls. Besides that, everytime they mentioned the guy who had the flash photo (or video? It was a webcam...) it was always referred to as "the male"... Kinda sticks out in my mind.

Well...there was that story a while ago about that gay college student who committed suicide because his roommate recorded his "liaisons" and spread it online, or something like that...but then again, he was gay, so a "hate crime" like that would get more attention than just some straight teenage boy killing himself.

Perhaps it's because, on average, males tend to be less expressive about their emotions than females. As in, I doubt you'd get as many boys posting cringeworthy attention-seeking (and I don't mean that in a negative manner, by the way; just saying it how it is) videos about their self-harming on the internet. There's not as much scope for a sensationalist story, especially when there aren't breasts involved.

As for personal experience, whenever something like that?s happened in my school (as in, rarely ? to my knowledge, at least, I don?t really hang around with a lot of people), the person gets teased for a while, and then everyone forgets about it and moves on to the next ?thrilling? story. Then again, I?ve rarely ever heard of people sharing an actual picture, or pictures, round even a year of classmates at school.

The closest story that came to that was a girl (who I happened to know from this film about abolition that we both performed in years ago) almost leaving our school because people were teasing her over a lengthy Facebook message to some guy saying that she wanted him to ?shit on my chest while you fuck me?, amongst other...things. But once again, the whole thing blew over, no-one even cares about it anymore, and she?s walking round school talking with her friends like nothing ever happened.

I like hearing and reading about people who've killed themselves for having a better life than I had.
A gruesome and inconsiderate opinion, yes - but if I can survive the way I was treated, it's very weak willed people who are killing themselves.

All I'm going to say is that depression is relative, and yes, some people are weaker than others. That's why we need to help them, rather than casting them to the lions. That's how we build a productive society of functioning individuals. Just saying ?Man up? or ?LOL First World problems? doesn?t solve the problem. And when they kill themselves, smugly muttering something about Darwin (by the way, internet tough guys, you don?t just get killed off because you make a set number of mistakes in life; this isn?t a fucking video game) just makes you sound like an arrogant, unemphatic fool who can?t see past his own life experiences.

So, OK, yeah, maybe she was being a bit of an ?attention whore?. Maybe ?attention-whoring? is pathetic. But why does no-one seem to realize that ?attention-whoring? is a cry for help? Why do many people outright dismiss this cry for help as just nothing more than ?attention-whoring?? Of course, it?s the wrong way to go about your problems. But shouldn?t at least one person realize that they need help to find out the right way, and then actually, you know, help them? Don?t get me wrong, everyone?s got problems. Doesn?t mean we should just say ?fuck off? to everyone else and continue living in our own little ?dog-eat-dog? world, because that?s not reality. This species has survived and thrived on supporting one another. I don?t care if I sound like some ?idealistic Socialist hippie?; it?s the goddamn truth, and I hate how so many people just don?t seem to give a shit about people that are, to some extent, just like you and me.

I?ll tell you right now that most teenagers damn well know that there?s always someone out there in the world having a shittier life than them. They?re not all brain-dead. But you know what they say when someone tells them, ?It could be worse?? They reply, ?But it could be better.?

People in well standing nations such as the US and others, are often suffering from loneliness. I know the problem is mostly the fucking media as well as social conditioning but it's probably not that fucking difficult to set something up where loners and outcasts can go enjoy each other's companies. Everyone else who cares only out of guilt can go either go fuck themselves or something, I don't know. Just, with all the psychology, neuroscience, fucking internet and just bright ideas we have... I find it fucking impossible to believe that no one can find a way to set up a place, where outcasts can feel just a little bit less lonely. These are children for FUCKS sake. The fuck is wrong with everyone!?

It's probably something to do with money. *shrugs*

To be honest, I don?t even know why I?m continuing to post on this thread (especially since I should be writing two History and Politics essays right now. Oh, the joy of procrastination!). Like I said, this is nothing new, and Amanda Todd is just the latest in a long line of seemingly endless teenage suicide cases, many of whom ?coincidentally? involving cyber-bullying. And there?s nothing anyone can do to stop it.

 

[Yabba]

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It's not the role of the fucking education system to bring up your kids.

Oh please, get rid of that 4chan shit.Trust 4chan to try and act as the fucking savior.Also, love how 4chan is telling people to check their morals and be ashamed.So many people have been spammed/cyber bullied by 4chan, that anyone who actually is agreeing with them needs to be given a hard slap on their face.

No shit,Yeah, it's not the education system's role to bring up your kids. However, it is definitely there to protect them.If you expect that it is right of every authority in that school to turn a blind eye to what was happening to her....Then again,you're obviously an ignorant 4chan twat so i doubt going into length with you would be even a bit useful.

This, this and this. In case you 4chan saints didnt know, 4chan has bullied harrased and hurt many people. You want an example? Just go onto a couple fucking forums on 4chan and see how they treat people in confusion. I remember a little while back there was even a forum on 4chan where they posted a link to a suicidal girls video and said to go pose as people from 9 gag and make fun of her. And you know what? A shit load of people from 4chan did do it.

 

[CharrHearted]

girl suicides because she was being bullied for posting up videos of herself on the internet which people shared around her... it's her own fault.

Her own fault for killing herself, can't take the heat, get out of the nuclear reactor.

Ike: You'll get no sympathy for me.

And for those thinking: OMG, your heartless! I went through bullying myself, I rose above it, conquered it.

 

[Urgh76]

While it is a sad thing that a young woman would view suicide as her only option to find peace, people cannot put the blame on these bullies. They did not make her commit suicide, nor did they give her that idea. She decided, she reacted, and she died. There is no one forcimg her.

Thank you.

I completely agree. Child or not it's pretty stupid to come to the conclusion that suicide is the best option, maybe even more so as she had about 5 times what shed already experienced left to live.

Was it right for the guy to do that with the pictures? Hell no, but still gotta have some shame on the girl for not realizing what her life was, and what taking it away really meant

 

[kahyonhowanen]

Sucks that she was bullied but she made the decision to kill herself by herself, while the bullies should be suspended or otherwise punished they aren't responsible for her decision to end her life.

Really? Cause it seems to me it kinda is their fault, since she wouldn't have chosen to take her life if they hadn't acted the way the do.

Suicide is always a choice, no one forced drugs, alcohol or blades into her hand. As someone who was bullied and beaten, choice is the one thing you can not take away, be it the choice to take it, to fight or to end your life. It is always your choice and there are always other options.

As an aside why was a 12 year old girl using the internet unsupervised? This whole thing could have been avoided had her parents actually... y'know... used parenting. Just sayin'.

What happened is tragic, but this happens A LOT and EVERY year. Her story is getting coverage because she made a dramatic youtube video which made her death tangible to most people. Is it tragic? of course it is, but for all of you claiming it's a tragedy and getting upset when someone has an opinion differing from out and out sympathy, how many of you were volunteering with Samaritans helplines BEFORE this happened? Because if you weren't, you're a hypocrite, if you care, there are ways to show you care.

In the interest of full disclosure; I don't volunteer for any Samaritans helplines, but I do regularly post on sites for troubled teens with my advice and experiences with bullying issues.

A choice she would not have made had people not been treating her the way they did. It is a choice yes, but when most people are presented the choice to live or die, if they are constantly beaten and bullied most people will start to lean towards suicide. It's a horrible thing that happened, and suicide is a choice that she chose yes, but what I said still stands, it is the fault of the people who bullied and beat her. If only because the main reason she would make such a choice was because of the hell they had made her life. I guarantee if people hadn't treated her the way they had, she would be alive because life would have seemed like a better option. As it stands, she isn't, because people made it so it didn't seem like life was the better options, and so fault does still fall on the people who drove her to it.

I don't volunteer to helplines because I believe it better left to professionals, however I instead go out of my way to help people. I do try wherever I can to help people in these situations, and I can guarantee many people would still be upset over this regardless of whether or not she made a "dramatic youtube video". A life is a precious thing, and to act life people only care about death when there is a video is disgusting, and plain insulting.

 

[THE_NAMSU]

Why she did it is somewhat irrelevant anyway. She was 12-years-old. She lacked the judgement necessary to make that call on her own and could not even hope to fathom the consequences of her actions.

I am not saying that the bullying etc was her fault, but on another note, what makes you think that a 12 year old lacks judgement? It depends on the person rather than the age, and this has been accepted as part of medical ethics.

Though I did not see the video and do not know the person, so she may (and there is a good chance that she was) have been a 12 year old girl who lacks judgement.

 

[NotALiberal]

This is sad, but apparently the reason she got beat up in the first place was because she slept with some guy who already had a GF.

Not a justification, this is just an all around sad situation.

Truth be told though, girl was an idiot. 12 or no, flashing your tits over webcam to someone you don't even know is STUPID. By the time you're 12, you do have some semblance of logic in your brain.

This whole situation just sucks in all honesty though.

 

[The Material Sheep]

This was sad. I feel for the girl. I had depression, a drinking problem and a lot of issues with bullying in high school. I can empathize. Hell I even have/had a diagnosed panic/anxiety disorder.

However... I find the situation is too clear cut. Maybe I'm naive but I never found myself able to be entirely truthful with my actions as a teenager and often would always lead towards a conclusion with my explanations in a bid for sympathy. I would like to hear the ACTUALITY of the story not just her side of it. It just seems like absolutely everything conspired to make her life shit... her parents didn't care, no one bothered to prosecute obvious crimes and absolutely NO one would be friends with her despite the fact that unless your going to a small private school there are enough people around that you find a group who's values and interests line up with yours. If the majority of the people in the school are that cruel then there should be other fringe group people as well who can all empathize with how awful the rest of the school is. If she did go to a small private school in all her different location changes then that's on her parents. Things just seem way too convenient. Sorry... not trying to be callous ***** here.

Sad sad sad sad outcome to a rather dubious and awful situation that of course seems to be the cause of a number of failings that we probably wont know of for a while yet.

Just don't jump on the gut emotional response immediately. Things aren't ever as clear cut as this.

 

[Moderated]

She is kind of hot.
Anyone who commits suicide is stupid. There is never a reason to.

 

[The Material Sheep]

Kind of hot.
Anyone who commits suicide is stupid. There is never a reason to.

While its ultimately a short sighted, incredibly stupid act that most people regret immediately after attempting it, it's something people mainly do when they aren't in their right mind. Not really a fair time to condemn someone for stupid short sighted actions.