Sad story, though my opinion would be too long-winded to have on here without it being picked apart by others. Needless to say though, it's a shame it happened, but it does happen, and it's only in hindsight that people realize that they could have done something to stop all this, but chose not to.
15 year old girl kills herself after persistent bullying
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This reasoning doesn't make any sense. Teen brains are not yet fully developed and hence teenagers are not capable of processing information and feelings the same ways adults are. Just because this girl wasn't able to cope with the abuse in her early teens doesn't mean that she would have been doomed in adulthood.Darthbawls77 said:
So? She was 12 when she did that. I'm almost certain there's a special circle of hell reserved for the sick fucks who pass pictures like that around.White Lightning said:
Well if you want sympathy the internet is a bad place to go. The ammount of jokes and memes popped up in the past day is crazy and pathetic. However the responses are also painful "how dare you say that I hope you kill YOURSELF" the Facebook morallity squad doesn't note the meaning of irony
Where exactly did you get the information that she showed her tits to "many anonymous people" or that she masturbated on webcam. Cause as far as every site that's reported on this so far all she did was flash one person on a whim when she was 12, nothing else.Kevin7557 said:
Holy fuck am I having trouble processing this. What hole do these heartless shits crawl out of?
Cyber bullies... Can these people not tell the difference between an angry off-hand insult aimed at an anonymous internet handle (you know, basic Youtube behaviour), and taking it further to make sure that not only will she not ever forget the mistake she's made, but neither will anyone else, and to rub it in her face both online and off (that would be this)?
I know from personal experience that kids can be mean, but nobody ever basically came up to me and told me to kill myself.
Cyber bullies... Can these people not tell the difference between an angry off-hand insult aimed at an anonymous internet handle (you know, basic Youtube behaviour), and taking it further to make sure that not only will she not ever forget the mistake she's made, but neither will anyone else, and to rub it in her face both online and off (that would be this)?
I know from personal experience that kids can be mean, but nobody ever basically came up to me and told me to kill myself.
Like most of these "teenage tragedy" stories i come across i cant help but wonder what's so unique about this one to deserve the massive media attention. Nonetheless it's still a shame no matter how you look at it, pain is pain no matter what background or circumstance you find yourself in and for one to end up in the position where the pain they're enduring is so overwhelming as to snuff out any current joy or hope for the future they have is a position no one want's to find themselves in. Also don't see how her filming a few misguided web show's justify's what's happened here, society is at fault here not a young impressionable girl.
Or... y'know, mentally ill. You know that's a thing, right? A thing people don't choose to have?Moderated said:
I really hope you're trolling, and if you're not I REALLY hope no-one close to you ever has to deal with a serious mental illness.
OT: This is genuinely tragic. How can this girl have gone through four schools and two suicide attempts without someone stepping in? Here's hoping they catch whoever the sick bastard who blackmailed her was :/
Jesus fucking Christ.
The amount of people blatantly stating their opinions as facts in this thread is simply disgusting. This goes for both sides - "her own fault" just as well as "screw those bullies".
Yes, there are people who had worse lives than she did and didn't commit suicide.
Yes, she likely made mistakes that led up to this.
Yes, many people could've and should've reacted.
Yes, bullying is far too present thanks to the Internet's anonymity and reach.
But, you know what? I don't give a flying shit about her committing suicide. Why? Because it happened, period.
I have a strict policy of a) considering everyone to be as stupid as possible and b) treating everyone as deemed reasonable - this includes facing the consequences.
You want to defend the bullies and condemn her for committing suicide over "nothing"? Fine, all the power to you. But then at least have the guts to stand up and admit that you're part of the problem she chose to kill herself over.
You want to track down the bullies and slit their throats if they don't get charged? All the power to you, if you feel it's worth it. But you gotta be fine with being sent to prison if not executed, depending on where you're from.
Do whatever you feel is right, but don't shy away from the backlash it will cause.
Fight your moral crusade, but I'll call it now: It won't change jack shit.
The amount of people blatantly stating their opinions as facts in this thread is simply disgusting. This goes for both sides - "her own fault" just as well as "screw those bullies".
Yes, there are people who had worse lives than she did and didn't commit suicide.
Yes, she likely made mistakes that led up to this.
Yes, many people could've and should've reacted.
Yes, bullying is far too present thanks to the Internet's anonymity and reach.
But, you know what? I don't give a flying shit about her committing suicide. Why? Because it happened, period.
I have a strict policy of a) considering everyone to be as stupid as possible and b) treating everyone as deemed reasonable - this includes facing the consequences.
You want to defend the bullies and condemn her for committing suicide over "nothing"? Fine, all the power to you. But then at least have the guts to stand up and admit that you're part of the problem she chose to kill herself over.
You want to track down the bullies and slit their throats if they don't get charged? All the power to you, if you feel it's worth it. But you gotta be fine with being sent to prison if not executed, depending on where you're from.
Do whatever you feel is right, but don't shy away from the backlash it will cause.
Fight your moral crusade, but I'll call it now: It won't change jack shit.
Using YouTube is a poor example as it implies that any insult is bullying. It's nothing but trolls and wanna be trolls arguing with each other. That's not cyberbullying or bullying, that's just pre-teens and teens being immature. And I have seen people talk like that in real life. Back in the 3rd-6th grade when kids had just learned how to use curse words. Little kids talk like that all the time.BloatedGuppy said:
Bullying is much more different, is more personal and direct that calling someone a fag on a YouTube video. You don't need the internet to spread nude pictures of someone around. A girl at my high school learned that in the worst way possible. She had a picture of her genitals plastered all over the walls of the school. They were simply printed off in the school library.
Like I said, the internet didn't breed bullies. There are no more bullies in the world then there have ever been due to the internet. They just have a bigger reach now. And like I said in another post on this thread, people have to come to terms with the fact that cyberbullying isn't some new special version of bullying, its the norm now. Education officials have always failed to prevent bullying and have gotten worse over the years. Now we have an entire generation of parents, teachers, and faculty that are too afraid to deal with bullying in schools due to the fear of being sued by the bully's parents, along with not having a clue about how the internet can be used to devastate someone. Either that or their hands are tied by the school officials. The simple fact that Amanda Todd's only option was to move schools is disgraceful alone. Parents don't want to believe that their child, god forbid, may be capable of being an asshole so bullies go unpunished on all fronts.
Group that with most parents of teenagers these days not having a clue about internet culture and its sometimes harsh realities and we have a mess. The fact of the matter is that there is no "cyber police" on the internet. Hell, there aren't really any rules. Or laws to prevent cyberbullying. And the ones we do have are paltry at best. You and I both know that even though the comments prior to Amanda's death can't be removed, none of the people who bullied her are going to see any real punishment. You can't get rid of people who are going to be dicks, what we can do is teach people how to avoid them online as well as how to teach their children to do the same.
I may sound like a prick for saying this but to be honest, Amanda should have been told not to flash people on the internet. That's a mind boggling move that could only be explained by being naive. In this case naive about how parallel the dangers are between online and offline. The danger of the world don't end when you log on, we're still very much in the real world. The only difference is the screen in front of you. When was the last time you heard of a 12 year old girl flashing a guy willingly? Never. Amanda Todd thought that her doing in online to a stranger wasn't going to affect her because he wasn't in the room with her physically. And now we have this sad story of suicide as a result.
Jessi Slaughter was 11 years old when her life was displayed online and look how that turned out...
letting a child run free on the internet is about as safe as letting one run free in a jungle, if its allowed to go on 2 things can happen, they make it out the other side scarred or they get eaten.
Honestly is there anything that the internet is capable of that is good anymore? Everything I see is always negative or a waste of time, most likely because people make up the internet.
I also remember when the internet was a tool to be used, not a complete replacement for a life.
Honestly is there anything that the internet is capable of that is good anymore? Everything I see is always negative or a waste of time, most likely because people make up the internet.
I also remember when the internet was a tool to be used, not a complete replacement for a life.
Parents should be making sure there own kids are not causing these problems. That much is true.Freezy_Breezy said:
But when the environment in a school has become unhealthy to get the education part of it done, it becomes the school's problem. They need to at least be able to handle twats who are wrecking their system. So yes, a school's job is, in part, for protection.
Honestly, they won't learn they do it because they get a sick satisfaction out of this sort of thing. I was bullied all through out grade school for one thing or another, and no matter who I told nothing would ever get done, the tormentor would get a slap on the wrist and sent on their way. It was in eleventh grade when I finally put my foot down, because they started picking on the few friends I had, I let go the biggest soap box anyone had ever been witness to and finally it stopped. It could also be the fact that I sucker punched the best football player we had and knocked him flat on his back. Fact is she should have gone to authorities or grown a backbone like I did. Now the world is short a bright soul, rest in peace young lady.Fappy said:This is exactly why I am going to strictly monitor my kids' internet usage (when I have them of course). There are far too many spineless fucks out there. I hope everyone directly responsible for this girl's depression learns from this. In a perfect world they'd get eaten by yetis, but we don't always get what we want it seems.
That video was fucking depressing. I need a hug
You know i have read about what happened , and also had someone somewhat close to me in high school have something similar to them happen , although they didn't kill themselves they did end up dropping out of school a year early due to being made fun of.
I'll not be the first to say this is horrible that this happened, and i hope for the sake of many that if maybe 1 other similar event can be stopped because of this , then some good will come out of it.
But seriously , this girl had a stalker , where was the police? where are the parents ?
If my child had done something stupid , and in turn had caused some crazied person to stalk them, i hope my child could come to me in the first place.
But lets say they didn't , how did in the series of events , did this lead to this girl killing herself? I can blame the stalker , but yet i also blame those around her for not noticing the problem getting that out of hand , and for not doing something about it.
I imagine i'd kill the stalker and end up in jail if it was the choice between my child and some asshat stalking my kid.
I'll not be the first to say this is horrible that this happened, and i hope for the sake of many that if maybe 1 other similar event can be stopped because of this , then some good will come out of it.
But seriously , this girl had a stalker , where was the police? where are the parents ?
If my child had done something stupid , and in turn had caused some crazied person to stalk them, i hope my child could come to me in the first place.
But lets say they didn't , how did in the series of events , did this lead to this girl killing herself? I can blame the stalker , but yet i also blame those around her for not noticing the problem getting that out of hand , and for not doing something about it.
I imagine i'd kill the stalker and end up in jail if it was the choice between my child and some asshat stalking my kid.
I´m gonna be the insensitive one here, but there´s a pretty fucking surefire way to not get bullied online...turn the damn PC off and go the fuck outside.
If she get´s beaten in school, go to a fucking teacher or the principle.
If they don´t help, SUE THE SCHOOL!
It´s easy.
I´ve been bullied severely for being short and overweight in school. It kinda stopped when one guy got a headbutt into the solar plexus from me, and the other guy beat me up without me flinching once...I still wonder how a dude 4 heads taller then me can have such pussy punches. My mom hit me harder then that.
And, I´m still fucking here.
If she kicks the bucket because she sees no other solution then to kill herself then good, another whiney idiot gone who doesn´t respect their lifes...so why should I?
Sure it sucks that some fairly attractive young girl, who probably had alot to go for in her life is dead, but a suicide always needs two: The reason, and the person willing to see no other solution.
Kids in africa are sifting through TRASH to stay alive to the next day, they hold on to their life with every inch they got. And we over here casually throw it away.
I don´t get how cyberbullies even work.
Also, don´t flash your tits on the internet if you DON´T want the world to see...It took me like 3 seconds to find pics of her top-less on google...so way to go.
If she get´s beaten in school, go to a fucking teacher or the principle.
If they don´t help, SUE THE SCHOOL!
It´s easy.
I´ve been bullied severely for being short and overweight in school. It kinda stopped when one guy got a headbutt into the solar plexus from me, and the other guy beat me up without me flinching once...I still wonder how a dude 4 heads taller then me can have such pussy punches. My mom hit me harder then that.
And, I´m still fucking here.
If she kicks the bucket because she sees no other solution then to kill herself then good, another whiney idiot gone who doesn´t respect their lifes...so why should I?
Sure it sucks that some fairly attractive young girl, who probably had alot to go for in her life is dead, but a suicide always needs two: The reason, and the person willing to see no other solution.
Kids in africa are sifting through TRASH to stay alive to the next day, they hold on to their life with every inch they got. And we over here casually throw it away.
I don´t get how cyberbullies even work.
Also, don´t flash your tits on the internet if you DON´T want the world to see...It took me like 3 seconds to find pics of her top-less on google...so way to go.
Aren't you judging everyone who is coming down on the other side and not immediately jumping on their gut emotional reaction about why the suicide occurred? Oh I see your exempt from the rules because you care about people.NightowlM said:
A lot of people who say she has some culpability for her actions, are not saying she is entirely to blame(even majority), but that there is a point where you can't change the actions of others but you CAN choose your actions. The girl made a lot of bad choices, that's undeniable. It's tragic where it ended up, but the white knight attitude is just masturbatory and it helps no one but make you feel better.
Also take her complete explanation of the situation with a grain of salt because its way too convenient. Teenagers aren't known for their ability to be honest with themselves. Too get to her point realistically, there would have be a number of failings on the part of the school, parents and law enforcement which I just don't see happening, however if that was the case it's not REALLY just the bullies. It's that she wasn't protected properly when there are actually things set up for it.
Lets just take this situation for what it is. A tragic situation. Perhaps use it as a motivation to think more about how you and your loved ones are seen over the internet, or to better treat those around you. Other then that there really isn't much more to get from this. Just another sad story in a neutral unfeeling world.