15-year old Stabs Bully 11 Times at Bus Stop, Gets Away With It

[BrassButtons]

The posts have been doubled.

 

[Sharp Blue]

I fought my bully, straight up fistfight, we drew. Later on he comlemented me on my guts and vouched for me, we became friends, he was messed up and needed to take it out on somebody, I sorta didn't let him.

I realize it was self defence and respect the court ruling, but I seriously dislike that the kid used a knife, it seems unfair like it could have been planned, probibly wasn't though...

 

[Mr.Squishy]

The court ruled right in this case.

 

[true story]

I would say going all out to kill someone over bullying is a tad extreme really, but I cant speak as to what extent the bullying went to.

Stabbings not the answer, but having been bullied in the past before and dealing with it in a slightly extreme way, even I dont really look forward to the day when I have to brandish this baby at scumbags again

Weapon of choice:-

[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/cricket02.jpg/]

so is that some kind of fancy non dildo dildo?

 

[Imperium9990]

Official Case Report. The bully was punching the kid, and calling for his friends to jump him. Bastard deserved to die.

http://media.naplesnews.com/media/static/20111230150108.pdf

 

[Havok2099]

Ugh, this is a hard thing to weigh in on. On one hand, the bullied kid had to react somehow, but on the other even if the biggest asshole in my school died, I'd still hardly say he deserved it. So I guess I'd side with the judge on this one, it's such a moral gray case that just rollin' with what the law says is the best I can think of.

 

[Sharp Blue]

I fought my bully, straight up fistfight, we drew. Later on he comlemented me on my guts and vouched for me, we became friends, he was messed up and needed to take it out on somebody, I sorta didn't let him.

I realize it was self defence and respect the court ruling, but I seriously dislike that the kid used a knife, it seems unfair like it could have been planned, probibly wasn't though...

UNFAIR? Someone attacks and it's supposed to be 'fair'? The point of defending yourself isn't to be 'fair', it's to get the other person to stop. You don't want them to have a chance.

Point taken, still irks me though.

 

[baconfist]

Chill the fuck out. Go outside and take a sip of air, there isn't any reason to start getting worked up about it so take it easy okay? First of all, you don't know a fuck about me and please don't think you do. Okay? Stop jumping to conclusions about me, because this is the internet, and the thing about the internet is that you don't know shit about anyone.

Thing is, I'm not going to judge if it was self-defence or not, I don't think it's logical to stab someone 11 times because I'm pretty sure that the 15-year old kid who died wasn't exactly making much recistance after the tenth time. A judge in Florida said that according to U.S law it was self-defence so I guess we have to buy that. What I think should count as a reasonable amount of violence is another thing, don't mix those two up.

Here is the thing I'm annoyed by, people that said that the 15 year old kid deserved to die or that he had it coming. I'm not saying that you've said, but several people have. Somewhere in this world a mother is crying because her son were stabbed to death, I want people to remember that side of this coin.

I am one of those people who says he had it coming and I have a pretty specific reason why. If you go out of your way to terrorize a boy, particularly when he is trying to avoid you, and then assault him; you are demonstrating a very particular malice of forethought and willful disregard for your victim's soundness and safety. If this had been a bobcat he had backed into a corner, no one would have been the least bit shocked if he got mauled.

He not only sought a confrontation, he FORCED a confrontation, and if things had gone just a tad differently it could have very well been the victim's mother shedding tears for her dead or critically injured boy. There was no reason to attack the kid. NONE. There was no reason to chase him off the bus. There was no reason to punch him in the back of the head. Had he decided against any of that, he'd still be alive today. He made a series of senseless, violent, evil choices and wound up bearing the ultimate consequence of those choices.

If only the universe were so just in every case.

Best post in 24 pages. Well said sir.

 

[Bobinator]

Meh...asshole got what he deserved, this should hopefully teach people dont bully the wrong person or you're gonna get a few stabs to the chest.

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

11 times, 5 times, 2 times, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK AND IT SHOULD NOT MATTER. This is premeditated murder and the kid who did it should get life - END OF.

*sigh* whatever. I never really expect much from the sheltered nerds who frequent this place anyways.

 

[Sharp Blue]

I fought my bully, straight up fistfight, we drew. Later on he comlemented me on my guts and vouched for me, we became friends, he was messed up and needed to take it out on somebody, I sorta didn't let him.

I realize it was self defence and respect the court ruling, but I seriously dislike that the kid used a knife, it seems unfair like it could have been planned, probibly wasn't though...

UNFAIR? Someone attacks and it's supposed to be 'fair'? The point of defending yourself isn't to be 'fair', it's to get the other person to stop. You don't want them to have a chance.

Point taken, still irks me though.

Well it does suck that the other kid died. I am rather appalled at the amount of people that are pleased at the death. I mean defending yourself, yeah supporting that is one thing. But people don't have to be glad that someone ended up dead. If he had successfully defended himself without a death that would have been better.

True that, but sometimes you don't really get that many options, if he didn't kill the bully after standing up to him he probibly would have been savagely beaten and/or injured or worse, even so facing up to the guy was stil the right thing to do.

 

[The Man With the Soap]

I have mixed emotions on this story.

Firstly i believe that the kid had a right to defend himself, every kid does, but was stabbing him 11 times necessary. I'm sure once would have been enough.

Second, why a knife, couldn't he have just battered him for a bit with a bat or something? It doesn't make sense why he would carry a knife as stab as many times as he did.

Should he get away with it? No, but he shouldn't be prosecuted as a murderer, maybe given a less harsh punishment. Seems only fair.

EDIT: whoa! My inbox got flooded with messages about the bat thing. It's just an example as to say "Why was he carrying a knife to begin with?"

When you fear for your own safety enough to react with deadly force, you are not in your right mind. The frontal lobe will become less active as adrenoline is released, and most decisions made are almost purely instinctual. The boy probably had no idea what he was doing until he had already done it. I for one, am surprised that he only stabbed the other boy eleven times.

I see the boy as having done nothing wrong. He was not looking for a fight, and took every step he could to avoid one. The bully made a point to follow the boy off of the bus at what was clearly not his stop, demonstrating that he did intend to have some type of altercation with his would-be victim. The bully punched the younger boy in the back of the head which shows his own cowardice and lack of honor. I believe the bully got what was coming to him.

That being said, I do not relish the fact that a young man had to die in order for this situation to be diffused. It is never a cause for celebration when a human life is cut short, but those who enact violence should expect to be met with violence. I do not feel sorry for the bully-turned-victim because he made himself the catalyst for his own demise. I do, however, sympathize with Jorge Saavedra because he will now have to live with the guilt of having ended another human life.

 

[senordesol]

Chill the fuck out. Go outside and take a sip of air, there isn't any reason to start getting worked up about it so take it easy okay? First of all, you don't know a fuck about me and please don't think you do. Okay? Stop jumping to conclusions about me, because this is the internet, and the thing about the internet is that you don't know shit about anyone.

Thing is, I'm not going to judge if it was self-defence or not, I don't think it's logical to stab someone 11 times because I'm pretty sure that the 15-year old kid who died wasn't exactly making much recistance after the tenth time. A judge in Florida said that according to U.S law it was self-defence so I guess we have to buy that. What I think should count as a reasonable amount of violence is another thing, don't mix those two up.

Here is the thing I'm annoyed by, people that said that the 15 year old kid deserved to die or that he had it coming. I'm not saying that you've said, but several people have. Somewhere in this world a mother is crying because her son were stabbed to death, I want people to remember that side of this coin.

I am one of those people who says he had it coming and I have a pretty specific reason why. If you go out of your way to terrorize a boy, particularly when he is trying to avoid you, and then assault him; you are demonstrating a very particular malice of forethought and willful disregard for your victim's soundness and safety. If this had been a bobcat he had backed into a corner, no one would have been the least bit shocked if he got mauled.

He not only sought a confrontation, he FORCED a confrontation, and if things had gone just a tad differently it could have very well been the victim's mother shedding tears for her dead or critically injured boy. There was no reason to attack the kid. NONE. There was no reason to chase him off the bus. There was no reason to punch him in the back of the head. Had he decided against any of that, he'd still be alive today. He made a series of senseless, violent, evil choices and wound up bearing the ultimate consequence of those choices.

If only the universe were so just in every case.

Best post in 24 pages. Well said sir.

Thank you.

 

[Sharp Blue]

I fought my bully, straight up fistfight, we drew. Later on he comlemented me on my guts and vouched for me, we became friends, he was messed up and needed to take it out on somebody, I sorta didn't let him.

I realize it was self defence and respect the court ruling, but I seriously dislike that the kid used a knife, it seems unfair like it could have been planned, probibly wasn't though...

UNFAIR? Someone attacks and it's supposed to be 'fair'? The point of defending yourself isn't to be 'fair', it's to get the other person to stop. You don't want them to have a chance.

Point taken, still irks me though.

Well it does suck that the other kid died. I am rather appalled at the amount of people that are pleased at the death. I mean defending yourself, yeah supporting that is one thing. But people don't have to be glad that someone ended up dead. If he had successfully defended himself without a death that would have been better.

True that, but sometimes you don't really get that many options, if he didn't kill the bully after standing up to him he probibly would have been savagly beaten and/or injured or worse, even so facing up to the guy was stil the right thing to do.

Ah yeah, no I wasn't saying he had a better option or something. It just seems like it'd have been better if, I dunno, his stabs hadn't resulted in the other kid dying. But people seem so pleased that the other kid died instead of just the fact that the victim defended himself.

You're right death should not be exulted in, especially if its a kid.

 

[gyroscopeboy]

This is why you DON'T FUCKING BULLY PEOPLE!

 

[wooty]

I would say going all out to kill someone over bullying is a tad extreme really, but I cant speak as to what extent the bullying went to.

Stabbings not the answer, but having been bullied in the past before and dealing with it in a slightly extreme way, even I dont really look forward to the day when I have to brandish this baby at scumbags again

Weapon of choice:-

[http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/cricket02.jpg/]

so is that some kind of fancy non dildo dildo?

Wha.....dildo? Clearly your not from the commonwealth. Its a cricket bat my boy.

 

[Crazy]

Murder isn't the answer to everything, kiddies. Be this a lesson to ye who dareth try it, for thou shalt have none of it.