Four people chasing you off a bus and down the street with the express purpose of beating the crap out of you is 'no evidence' of mortal danger?666Satsuki said:
15-year old Stabs Bully 11 Times at Bus Stop, Gets Away With It
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If your adrenaline is pumping like it does in stressful/energetic situations (like say, a fight), you go more-or-less immune to pain. It varies by the individual, but I've met people who have broken or fractured all 27 bone in their hand and not felt it until after the fight was over.Patrick Buck said:
People have got up and walked to the hospital, under their own power, after being stabbed in the heart, for fucks sake. A single knife wound (from a pocket knife's 3" max blade especially) is not in any way guaranteed to put someone down and keep them there.
Well, not exactly - he got off the bus early in an attempt to avoid confrontation, and the bullies followed and attacked him anyway.666Satsuki said:
I'd say that was far from a premeditated plan to "use the knife on the bully" but a precaution against assault - an unwise one perhaps, as it is quite clearly moving towards deadly force, but it was not as if the kid was thinking "I'm definitely going to go out and stab the bully today".
His plan was "get off the bus early and try to avoid conflict, but be armed in case I cannot get away".
It's not the punch that is the deciding factor. It's the mental state that comes with it. Being willing and able to resort to physical violence to ensure you are left alone does A LOT to deter people from inciting violence with you.Vegosiux said:
Would a single punch cause a group of bullies intent on harm to back off? Probably not. Going ballsout and beating one of them bloody would though. In the situation here, there's not a whole lot of difference, save "beating one of them bloody" is replaced with "stabbing one til they stop".
Have five guys hold you down and try to imbed your teeth into the back of your head and you'll understand, I was very lucky all I got was a broken nose, I was bruised and bloody but a few more minutes and I wouldn't had been so lucky. A car pulled up honking at them and they ran away.GrandmaFunk said:
I know, and knew then, how to fight but there isn't a whole lot you can do unarmed against 5 guys bigger than you but try to run, and failing that, try to protect your head.
You see psychopathic thought process I see fight or flight response put to the test.
ok so him killing the boy was probibly not the best ending but i have a feeling this was the last in a series of incidents with this asshole(and he was an asshole being he was a bully) sorry hes dead but you know what? "you reap what you sow" or if you prefer "karmas a *****"
Man how the times have changed. When I was younger, I grew up in a not so friendly part of town, and went to school with a bunch of kids that looked at me different due to my upbringing (inter-racial family). I had been beat on, kicked, smacked around, and often times my only thoughts were of revenge. Sometimes, you have to take matters into your own hands, and if you were never on the receiving end of such bullying, in a similar environment, I don't really think you can give a valid opinion on the matter. There isn't always an easy way out as some posters would like to believe, and it's usually the party getting bullied that ends up suffering the most.
Maybe my views are a little more jaded than the normal poster because of my childhood, but I really can't see anything wrong with this. He acted in self defense, though assuming he most likely was suffering too much from fear, panic, or shock when he stabbed the other kid, and ended up going a little overboard. From accounts from family and friends that have served, it's not uncommon when you're put in a high stress situation, that may already have your body pumping more adrenaline than it knows what to do with, I mean you are fighting for your life, and this kid most likely felt the same way.
Sure the kid will have to suffer with the reminder he took another life, if he's even remorseful, though it sounds like the other kids had it coming, and himself, and possibly his other classmates a favor. My main concern after all that is said and done though, is now that he's gotten away with murder, what's to stop others from emulating his behavior? If anything, he needs to be punished in some way, to be made an example of, for both parties.
Maybe my views are a little more jaded than the normal poster because of my childhood, but I really can't see anything wrong with this. He acted in self defense, though assuming he most likely was suffering too much from fear, panic, or shock when he stabbed the other kid, and ended up going a little overboard. From accounts from family and friends that have served, it's not uncommon when you're put in a high stress situation, that may already have your body pumping more adrenaline than it knows what to do with, I mean you are fighting for your life, and this kid most likely felt the same way.
Sure the kid will have to suffer with the reminder he took another life, if he's even remorseful, though it sounds like the other kids had it coming, and himself, and possibly his other classmates a favor. My main concern after all that is said and done though, is now that he's gotten away with murder, what's to stop others from emulating his behavior? If anything, he needs to be punished in some way, to be made an example of, for both parties.
I am on the kids side of this. Obviously he could have stopped but this me saying this from my computer, not being in the middle of a group of other kids probably bigger than me. He might have had the mindset of Ender from Ender's Game, in that if I dont do something drastic to defend myself these other kids will attack me and might kill me, probably with the knife he brought. I do think he needs some form of punishment but nothing reactionary like jail time, something that will actually help him. Like therapy or community service.
One thing I want to make clear is that its easy for us to condemn the kid while we sit at our computers with all the time we need to come up with other things he could have done. We also arent in fear of being beaten to near death or to death.
One thing I want to make clear is that its easy for us to condemn the kid while we sit at our computers with all the time we need to come up with other things he could have done. We also arent in fear of being beaten to near death or to death.
Well, I mean he did show the knife to the bully but the bully still choose to attack the kid.ShaggyEdiddy214 said:Kid punches up a mean classmate:should have reported him/her.
Kid shanks a mean classmateh well that's completely different.
Though what the bullied kid did was wrong, I can't help but sympathize for him. I've been bullied before, not as bad as him though, and I have a friend that actually considered bringing a gun to school and shooting the bullies because he was being bullied so badly. Bullies may not deserve death, but very near it if they can make the kid actually think about STABBING him voluntarily, especially after the kid made it very clear by his action that he was reluctant to do so. The kid shouldn't get off without any punishment at all, but he certainly shouldn't be charged for anything severe, or even mild really. He needs to have some mental checkups though, that's for certain.
I bear no sympathy for the dead kid. You push and you push and you push and eventually, someone will push back and then you're fucked because they're not going to care any more.
I'm sorry a "few bruises" and "teenagers don't have the ability to injure someone seriously with bare hands.."Blablahb said:
Umm...I'm going to assume that you never got into a fight in high-school, or that you've never grown up in a crime heavy area. A human being is capable of inflicting massive damage on someone especially at 16 and especially when they are circle stomping someone.
Evidence:
http://www.ajc.com/news/teen-beating-death-they-733714.html
4 teenagers beat another teenager to death barehanded. What you are suggesting was for him to go into that beating knowing he was gonna get wailed on by 3 or more people bigger, stronger, and older then him that had NO issues causing his harm. I was contend that's practically suicide.
Bus stop, I'm afraid.AndyFromMonday said:
[sup]A little part of me just died[/sup]
EDIT: Even more so, since being post number 176 means that I almost certainly wasn't the first to mention.