15yo forced her and her 7yo sister to be gangraped for cash

[Spoonius]

...and what good will disowning her do? She needs to be pointed in the right direction, not forced further down the wrong one.

It will have her removed from the family residence, something which is probably necessary if the little girl is to have any chance at psychological recovery. It would also be, for lack of a better term, what she deserves.

Oh, and don't forget... now she has the money to become independant. Unless, of course, she sold herself and her sister for fuck-all, which would be satisfyingly ironic, don't you think?

What this girl and these men need is a change of perspective and a second chance.

I admire your idealist attitude, but this isn't an ideal world.

I never said that they should be denied the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, but to suggest that they should escape serious punishment is ridiculous. All of the men involved in the incident made conscious decisions to rape the girl, and the fifteen-year-old sister who instigated the crime was also fully-aware of her actions. I fail to see any reasoning at all behind your suggestion that the men involved should be legally-processed in a way different to other convicted rapists, or that leniency to the degree that you're talking about is justified at all.

However, if you're actually suggesting that all rapists should be let off with nothing more than brief rehabilitation however, then we definitely don't see eye-to-eye.

As for anonymity not being granted? What will that achieve? It's thinking like that that breeds viscious cycles of violence and hatred. Will it honestly make things okay if these offenders are beaten to death under mob rule?

That's a vague question, and the answer will vary depending on whom you ask. In my opinion, it would serve as an example to everybody, a testament to the personal dangers of committing a crime such as this one. As cruel as it sounds, the promise of punishment is key to the prevention of crime, and because of this, examples need to be set. Whilst I DO NOT condone wilful murder, I do believe that the sacrifice of a few must sometimes be made in order to benefit the many. I uphold that ideal in this case, as these people are in no way innocent.

The incident has already happened, and as such, no more pain or suffering needs to be experienced. Rehabilitation would be infinitely more productive and humane than unnecessary punishment.

Not necessarily. What kind of example are we setting if the men who committed this crime are held to no punishment more severe than rehabilitation? Is it mercy? Yes. Is it justice? No.

And what happens later, after others take note of such inconsequential ramifications? Is the prospect of brief rehabilitation, which may actually promise a better quality of life (proper accommodation, food and shelter) to less-fortunate people, going to help prevent future crimes like this? No.

Without the prescence of social, legal and cultural laws to govern our actions, society falls apart. And rules are only ever upheld if those who break them are punished.

Life is cruel, and utterly unfair at times. But the people involved in this made their choices. If you still have bleeding-heart syndrome, then at least focus your attention on the actual victim here, as her recovery is now the most important issue at hand.

 

[Kryzantine]

What the heck constitutes "terroristic threats"? That's a crime in this country now, and how the heck did they manage to charge her with that? What "terroristic threats" did she make?

I mean, I can understand all the other charges, but "terroristic threats" is just the prosecution adding salt to the wound.

Using violence or threats of violence is terrorism. Always is, always has been. They said they would kill the girl if she screamed

So pretty much all rapists are terrorists?

Scratch that, most criminals would be terrorists under that definition. Most non-criminals as well. Is McCarthyism so bad that we accuse more than half the American population of terrorism?

 

[Superfly CJ]

Valued counter-argument.

Reading back, I do seem to be at the far end of the scale, in the realm of unicorns and rainbow drops; yet merely as a knee-jerk reaction to the common argument in the thread that they should be burned/maimed/killed/stabbed.

Don't get me wrong- i'm in full support of the current system. Prison in itself is an excellent deterrent, yet is still very much rehabilitation-centric. I do entirely believe, however, that if someone is truly rehabilitated, regardless of the amount of time they've spent locked up, they should be set free. Punishment is effective as a threat, but should only be used where needed- as far as i'm concerned- reform is still paramount. Punishment will come naturally on the way towards this.

One thing which I could never condone, however, is death. Hence why your anonymity argument still strikes me as unnecessary. I just personally believe that you can never justify something by taking a life (even if sacrificing few for many), unless that life is willing to be taken(unless you want to get into a whole other discussion about war and self-preservation, of course).

It's hardly a case of bleeding heart syndrome, I just value all human life by principle, and believe that any alternative is better than physcially harming or scarring another person.

I'm pretty sure you raised more good points, but to be honest, it's very, very late over here, and i'm not even sure if the above made any sense, so i'll just leave it at that.

 

[DarkShader]

This had better not be some sick idea of an April Fool Joke...

 

[YukoValis]

oh like prostitots are so uncommon. She got laid and paid.. sooo that's probably her motivation. This "only for money" thought is BS, she knew what she wanted as do most girls her age.

You missed the part in there where she then proceeded to charge people money to rape her seven year old sister, right? Because a seven year old doesn't really understand what sex is. Her sister stood in front of her with a wad of money and said, want money? All you have to do is this! It's not like she knew that 'this' is.

No I got that part as well, but I wasn't talking about her. I am debasing the 15 year old, and feel bad for the 7 year old.

 

[Corialos]

I doubt that my idea is new or even all that creative, but I think there's only one way to deal with shit like this.

Here's my scenario:

*ahem* Rather than killing the perpetrators, or merely throwing them into prison, I think a more elegant solution should be used. To wit; First, send them into prison and inform the inmates of their crimes, so that they may feel the sting of their own atrocities. Meanwhile, while the perps are in prison, inform the entire world of their identities and crimes and once everyone is made aware of their faces, names, and crimes, you should release them out into the world, telling them to go out to participate in their normal lives. Assuming that they survive society's scorn, have them spend their next birthdays in an empty room, where they are given a choice; have a slice of cake and then be thrown to society again, or to receive what most people ('most people' being like those on this forum, being those who would demand their death and torture) would be considered proper punishment for their crimes. Repeat this 'birthday process' every year.

If they have any conscience, then I believe that they'll eventually choose the latter solution, in which case they would be forcibly taken to an angry crowd, who would force the perps into every type of public humiliation and torture imaginable before being sent to the lynching posts and feeling the suffocation and slow strangulation of the yard arm as the 7-year old watches them, without remorse or pity for the ones who did this to her.

I believe that if we gave a punishment like this to just *one* person who committed such an atrocity, then it would serve as a perfect example to all those who would even THINK of doing something like this.

Torture tactics have been used and will be used by governments, and they never work to deter criminals. Chances are, if they're willing to risk up to an entire lifetime in a small cell, they're willing to risk torture and death.

As for your proposed 'solution': Don't you find it slightly ironic how sadistic at least half of the replies to this have been? I would hate having to live in a world where people are publically humiliated, tortured and killed for their wrongdoings. Sadly, instances of all three are present as we speak.

So lets say your plan goes forward- by the end of the fourth year, the criminal has apologised, genuinely made a mental breakthrough and no longer suffers from the same thoughts that made him commit to the crime in the first place. What have you got left? An innocent man, forced into a never-ending cycle of guilt, hatred and violence- forced to sob his way through life as people beat and belittle him- then eventually murdered in cold blood by some 'moral' crusader who will undoubtedly be praised for ridding the world of such evil, before moving on to the next 'criminal'. Should any human being ever be legally obliged to suffer this?

When I think further about it, I realize that, of course, you are quite right; my description is really nothing more than an over-reaction towards the event and the people involved. I do believe that there's some good in anyone, or at least in most people, and that most people CAN be rehabilitated. However, that doesn't mean that this doesn't still piss me off, though.

Though I do agree that such a punishment as I had suggested would put us in danger of stooping to the level of those criminals, I also think that sometimes there are those special few who will only learn if they at least experience a punishment that can help to at least somewhat reflect the experiences of the girl they tortured, so that when they come out of it, they will truly be sorry, and hopefully be better for it. A sort of "you reap what you sow moment," is sometimes appropriate, don't you think?