It's true that "Plan 9 from Outer Space" and other movies like it have left imprints on cinema. But look at how those movies have left imprints.Beery said:True, but movies like 'Plan 9 from Outer Space' and 'Attack of the Killer Tomatoes' also left a permanent footprint upon cinema and the public imagination (and even on some godawful games), but leaving a footprint doesn't mean a show is great art. Aliens is hardly of the same calibre as its own predecessor (which might just be a 'great' movie). But James Cameron is no Ridley Scott, and Cameron's best movies sit squarely in the B-movie category.
Movies like Plan 9 and even "Manos: The Hands of Fate" are constantly held up as examples of how not to do cinema. More importantly, they are decidedly not ripped off or paid homage unless it is to make some kind of comedic statement. For example, Tim Burton's "Mars Attacks" or "Ed Wood".
Look at the movies and video games that either pay homage to Aliens or rip it off. They aren't comedies. They aren't played for laughs. Since this is a video game board, look at Halo or even Doom. Are those games built-in with a sort of "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" look how bad this is?
Also, look at how cinematic canon views both movies. If you go out and buy "Plan 9" today, you'll most certainly get a commentary somewhere on the disk about how bad the movie is. Not so with Aliens. The "Alien" made AFI top list in 100 Greatest Movie Villains of all time. Guys from "Plan 9"? Not so much.
I'm not going to argue that Aliens is art. It's not. It's a great narrative whose narrative economy is quite excellent. But it's not art, just in the same way that "Raiders of the Lost Ark" is not art. Both films are cinema, but they set out what they want to do quite well.
Absolutely.I mean seriously - 'Aliens', a great movie?
Mainly, Aliens is a great movie because of the landmark it put in cinema. If you got on the internet and asked people to list the Top 20 Sci-Movies of all time - my bet is that you'll see Aliens on there quite often. Not so with Plan 9.
And look, if you don't believe me: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1000617-aliens/
Rotten Tomatoes gives the movie 100%. That's quite high. Much higher than just about any movie in recent history. And then, look at the reviews. Do the critics call the movie one of the worst films ever made? No.