2K Says Whites-Only Character Options "Wasn't Deliberate"

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2K Says Whites-Only Character Options "Wasn't Deliberate"


Carnival Games [http://www.2kgames.com/2kplay/] character customization options was simply an oversight, and not the result of some sinister "whites only" policy at the publisher.

Following the release of the complained [http://www.wii.com] that only "one pale hue" of skin color was available in the character customization options. "In other words, as a minority (I'm a Chinese woman), I could not replicate my skin color for my avatar within Carnival Games (much less if I were African-American or Hispanic). I found that a bit offensive," she wrote.

In a follow-up [http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/08/22/carnival-games-skin-color-oversight/], 2K Play's Recchio admitted the game should have had an option to adjust skin tones, but said by the time the company became aware of the problem it was too late to correct it. "Unfortunately by the time it had gone to manufacturing, it was something that couldn't be changed in the original product," she said.

The DS [http://www.nintendo.com/ds] version of the game shipped in July, and includes a color slider which allows players to adjust their avatar's skin tone. The upcoming Carnival Games: Mini-Golf includes 12 different shades of skin colors, and Recchio said Carnival Games 2 will also offer a choice of skin colors. "When we were developing for the DS, it was the first thing that we put in there because we knew we needed a larger variety," Recchio said.

"I just think it was - honestly - a complete oversight," she continued. "It was just the developers [Cat Daddy [http://www.catdaddy.com/]] were developing the game, they got so far down the line it was just something that couldn't be added without affecting the ship date of the game. But it wasn't deliberate, by any means."



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Lt. Sera

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"I found that a bit offensive"

Please, stop being offended by little things that don't really matter. Oh no, i can't colour my character in my skin tone, the horror!
 

Susan Arendt

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Ok, substitute "annoyed" for "offended," then. In a game that gives you a bevy of unlockable headgear, shirts, and pants, it seems a bit odd that you only have one choice of skin color. It's even odder to me that it never occurred to the folks making the game that being forced to choose from white, white, or white might irk some players.

My thinking on the matter is either don't give folks a choice - in Half-Life, you're Gordon Freeman, a nerdy white guy, and that's all there is to it - or give them a range of options that lets them at least approximate what they see in the mirror.
 

Mistah Kurtz

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This is complete bullshit. No one bitched when you had to be black if you wanted to be human in Jedi Academy (either that or I never figured out how to change the default)
 

Handofpwn

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People are far too easily offended these days, why, I long for the good old days when i could go up to my nearest asian person and crack asian jokes with him.
 

ElArabDeMagnifico

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I'm with Susan, "annoyed" sounds like the better word to use. I mean, clearly 2K just wasn't thinking and when people pointed it out they just thought "DOH >_<"!
 
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If all the faces were blue, no-one would complain.

And...maybe all the people in Carnival Games are of Caucasian Descent? Just a thought really.

I mean, c'mon, I can't make my face out of any of those, being as white as a ghost, does that make it offensive to me?
 

Ronmarru

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Instead of being offended I'm more suprised. In today's games full of detail how can you overlook the fact that you custom character can only be white? After games like Oblivion, Mass Effect, and Soul Calibur I thought that the standard for customization was a bit higher than 10 white faces.
 

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Mistah Kurtz post=7.69563.664405 said:
This is complete bullshit. No one bitched when you had to be black if you wanted to be human in Jedi Academy (either that or I never figured out how to change the default)
You didn't figure it out.
 
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Eggo post=7.69563.666442 said:
It would just be kind of nice to play in a role playing game as someone who represents me better than a white guy does.
Uh....How does a pink, perfect sighted, small nosed, red eyebrowed face represent me any better than it represents you?

Should I complain because I have to be evil if I'm a Ratonga?

Or that my closest similarity in TF2 is a smoking psychopath?

If you're going to have something that truly represents your race, it's gonna have to go a LOT deeper than what RGB your face is, I would have thought; because it sure will with mine.

And the designers would have a cardiac arrest trying to pallete my hair; I haven't heard a game yet that does a 'proper' English accent.
 
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Not really. I'm no more represented than you are.

And surely the idea of a "ROLE PLAY"ing game is that you act differently to your RL persona?

I'm pretty sure my hair is real though. Never found a salt/pepper hairstyle in any of the rpg's.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil post=7.69563.666456 said:
... I haven't heard a game yet that does a 'proper' English accent.
Fable has several, anyway on topic I'm mixed race and it doesn't offend or annoy me in any way
 

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I don't see how they could miss it, colour sticks out quite a bit when you look at all those unnaturally pink faces.
 
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Eggo post=7.69563.666515 said:
The_root_of_all_evil post=7.69563.666504 said:
Not really. I'm no more represented than you are.
White males are easily the most represented and salient characters (and interestingly enough, consumers) of video games.
Nail:Head. But still, take a look at the facial representations. Even in something as wide ranging as City of Heroes or "The Movies", I haven't found a face/character that resembles/represents 'me'.
Just because these characters don't mirror your facial characteristics exactly doesn't change the problem of a globalized and diverse region as North America (or Western Europe) facing a white cultural hegemony in all forms of media.
But don't you see that all white people are NOT the same...Just because a character has a pinkish tinge does not make it a 'White' character. Just as if I was to change the hue of a white face to brown, it wouldn't represent an African. Totally different bone structure.
The_root_of_all_evil post=7.69563.666504 said:
And surely the idea of a "ROLE PLAY"ing game is that you act differently to your RL persona?

I'm pretty sure my hair is real though. Never found a salt/pepper hairstyle in any of the rpg's.
The idea of a role playing game is that you can act however you want.
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And then you're into the issue of realistic types... Try playing an ugly character, or a weedy character, or a fat character...They're as 'missing' as an Asian, Jew or African.

However, there's only so much a designer can do. Wiimi's are quite accurate, but look at the possible combinations there.

'Fluff' is always nice, but it does take a LOT of development time, and if you've played UT3, you'll know how godawful time restraints block even the most basic of testing.

Back to my original call, if all the characters had blue skin...who would be complaining?