My sympathy to these peoples' families, but I find it hard to be genuinely sad when soldiers die if I don't know them.
30 US Troops killed by Taliban in single attack.
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My sympathy to these peoples' families, but I find it hard to be genuinely sad when soldiers die if I don't know them.
Cause: embargoDevil said:
Blame: The country who placed the embargo on them. Yeah, a million died post-Gulf War I pre-Guld War 2, and they mainly died from lack of medical supplies and the like, and that's civilian death alone without Saddam lifting the little finger.
I take it then that if you and one of the soldiers were held at gunpoint and only one of you would live and you had to decide, you would choose the soldier over your own life.Arsen said:
They died with the same ease any other would have in that situation, so tell me then how were they actually better?
There is a right to this war. They call themselves warriors of Islam, but Islam dictates that you should not kill. They serve only themselves, and they lost any moral high ground they once had when they started INTENTIONALLY killing civilians to feed their greed.Kopikatsu said:
Well, if you had to make a mistake one way or the other, it'd be better to assume it was an accident and then later change it to an attack if it was wrong than the other way around, wouldn't it? I think in terms of the "up to the minute coverage" it's more likely to be a mistake or an incorrect assumption than an actual lie, because first reports are often muddled and confused, and often times they end up picking a source and just going with it rather than waiting a bit for verification. They do let their personal beliefs color it to much, but outside of FOX and political commercials they rarely do straight out lying.The Virgo said:They knew that a helicopter fell out of the sky somewhere over 7,000 miles away and who was on board, but didn't know that a rocket hit it? Uh-huh, right. The news media has either lied or warped the truth so many times that I look upon everything they do with skepticism. At the very least, until they knew for certain, they shouldn't have said "accident".Ironic Pirate said:
By the way, surprise that you were the one who replied, because I had actually been looking for you. I have to ask you: where did you find that GIF, the one you're using as a profile pic? I have to know, it's so awful and evil it's fantastic!Bambi getting eaten by killer whale = win!
http://senorgif.memebase.com/2010/04/17/funny-animated-gifs-willy-nooooo/
I don't think that's where I actually found it, but it looks to be the same.
I remember one time Wolf Blitzer on The Situation Room was interviewing some guy (I forget who, it was years ago) who they said was this and that (you know the whole "evil person" drill), but when they tried to make him look bad, he held firm and started saying things that started making sense. Eventually, Wolf said, "The satellite is going down, we have to end the interview."Ironic Pirate said:Well, if you had to make a mistake one way or the other, it'd be better to assume it was an accident and then later change it to an attack if it was wrong than the other way around, wouldn't it? I think in terms of the "up to the minute coverage" it's more likely to be a mistake or an incorrect assumption than an actual lie, because first reports are often muddled and confused, and often times they end up picking a source and just going with it rather than waiting a bit for verification. They do let their personal beliefs color it to much, but outside of FOX and political commercials they rarely do straight out lying.The Virgo said:They knew that a helicopter fell out of the sky somewhere over 7,000 miles away and who was on board, but didn't know that a rocket hit it? Uh-huh, right. The news media has either lied or warped the truth so many times that I look upon everything they do with skepticism. At the very least, until they knew for certain, they shouldn't have said "accident".Ironic Pirate said:
By the way, surprise that you were the one who replied, because I had actually been looking for you. I have to ask you: where did you find that GIF, the one you're using as a profile pic? I have to know, it's so awful and evil it's fantastic!
http://senorgif.memebase.com/2010/04/17/funny-animated-gifs-willy-nooooo/
I don't think that's where I actually found it, but it looks to be the same.
THE SATELLITE IS GOING DOWN?! WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT!! What happened is that you tried to make him look like the bad guy, but he had his shit together more than you thought and you didn't even the balls to admit that he was right and you came up with the most shit excuse ever! >:-(
Never, EVER, trust the media. That is probably the best advice I have to give you.
Also, thanks for the link to the GIF!
I really appreciate it!
The reason I don't feel sad is because they joined the army or marines or whatever. If those were people who had been drafted, I would feel sorry for them because they didn't have a choice and they weren't fast enough to get across the border. But there's no draft; those people joined knowing the dangers. They wanted to be on the front lines, well they got it.katsumoto03 said:
I feel bad for soldiers who were in World War 1, World War 2, Korea and Vietnam because they were drafted. I don't feel bad for the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan because they joined.
Again, I already kind of apologized for that comment, still, I sstand by everything else I said.One Hit Noob said:
Because it's been one day.cyrogeist said:
Maybe time just really drags for you.
I don't think it's much, but hell, BBC had it as front page news on their website, and one death gets reported as major story over here, so to hell with it.derelict said:
I didn't know it was going to attract this many people who didn't care.
For future reference, being nihilistic and apathetic doesn't make you cool. It makes you annoying.
And say whatever you want about the Afghani political situation, by if my beloved brother, father or son had been on that helicopter... yes, I'd probably agree that he'd know the risks when he enlisted, that he'd been aware of the dangers, that as a soldier, he'd been placing his life on the line on a daily basis.
I'd also miss him a lot. A hell of a lot. As would his mother, father, brothers, sisters, cousins, grandparents, sons, daughters, friends... it's the butterfly effect at work. A life cut short, a friend wiped from the face of the Earth. So show some fucking respect, regardless of political agenda or general outlook on life.
At the same time, I don't believe in double standards regarding Afghan (or any) lives. If you're going to show respect, show respect both ways. Don't dehumanise the enemy... they may appear misguided to us, but they're fighting for what they believe in too, almost certainly more-so than Western troops. Are they inferior because their beliefs differ? Their actions? Remember that life is hard throughout much the Middle East, at times almost incompatible with our Western way of thinking. Al-Qaeda may have stuck the 9/11 blow, and in no way am I saying that retaliation was uncalled for or unjust, but please stop acting like propaganda posters.
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In summary, war is shit. Death is shit. People fighting other people is shit. U.S. Americans fighting Afghans and causing/taking casualties is shit. Utter shit.
I tell you what, if I knew that I'd end up dying on a patch of Earth in my country's name, only to be remembered solely as a soulless Nazi who gleefully massacred Jews, or an idiotic pawn fighting for no discernible reason other than the benefit of his/her corrupt and underhanded government, or the "pwned" victim of a certain mass-murdering Finnish sharpshooter, or an impure, incompetent and cowardly Persian infantryman utterly outclassed by a few hundred pure, half-naked supermen in red capes... well, nobody who's ever sacrificed their life for something they've believed in deserves that.
As Escapists, as insightful, intelligent people, please show some respect. God knows that plenty of others will be disrespectful enough in our stead.
And say whatever you want about the Afghani political situation, by if my beloved brother, father or son had been on that helicopter... yes, I'd probably agree that he'd know the risks when he enlisted, that he'd been aware of the dangers, that as a soldier, he'd been placing his life on the line on a daily basis.
I'd also miss him a lot. A hell of a lot. As would his mother, father, brothers, sisters, cousins, grandparents, sons, daughters, friends... it's the butterfly effect at work. A life cut short, a friend wiped from the face of the Earth. So show some fucking respect, regardless of political agenda or general outlook on life.
At the same time, I don't believe in double standards regarding Afghan (or any) lives. If you're going to show respect, show respect both ways. Don't dehumanise the enemy... they may appear misguided to us, but they're fighting for what they believe in too, almost certainly more-so than Western troops. Are they inferior because their beliefs differ? Their actions? Remember that life is hard throughout much the Middle East, at times almost incompatible with our Western way of thinking. Al-Qaeda may have stuck the 9/11 blow, and in no way am I saying that retaliation was uncalled for or unjust, but please stop acting like propaganda posters.
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In summary, war is shit. Death is shit. People fighting other people is shit. U.S. Americans fighting Afghans and causing/taking casualties is shit. Utter shit.
I tell you what, if I knew that I'd end up dying on a patch of Earth in my country's name, only to be remembered solely as a soulless Nazi who gleefully massacred Jews, or an idiotic pawn fighting for no discernible reason other than the benefit of his/her corrupt and underhanded government, or the "pwned" victim of a certain mass-murdering Finnish sharpshooter, or an impure, incompetent and cowardly Persian infantryman utterly outclassed by a few hundred pure, half-naked supermen in red capes... well, nobody who's ever sacrificed their life for something they've believed in deserves that.
As Escapists, as insightful, intelligent people, please show some respect. God knows that plenty of others will be disrespectful enough in our stead.
Christ, people.
A death is a death. Sure, some deaths are justified, but a death is still a death and we should mourn every waste of life.
I feel sad at every death, even at criminals on Death Row, but I understand that it has to be done and they have brought it upon themselves.
But that's just the sensitive side of me speaking.
A death is a death. Sure, some deaths are justified, but a death is still a death and we should mourn every waste of life.
I feel sad at every death, even at criminals on Death Row, but I understand that it has to be done and they have brought it upon themselves.
But that's just the sensitive side of me speaking.
That smacks more of general incompetence than evil. They tried to make him a bad guy and panicked, which implies a personal failing on Wolf's part rather than the media itself. Something like 90% of people in any given field either don't give a shit or are totally incompetent, and that ratio is likely even higher in the media. I don't 'trust' them, but I also don't assume they're sitting in a dark castle plotting how to mislead people for mysterious reasons, like in the Simpsons.The Virgo said:I remember one time Wolf Blitzer on The Situation Room was interviewing some guy (I forget who, it was years ago) who they said was this and that (you know the whole "evil person" drill), but when they tried to make him look bad, he held firm and started saying things that started making sense. Eventually, Wolf said, "The satellite is going down, we have to end the interview."Ironic Pirate said:Well, if you had to make a mistake one way or the other, it'd be better to assume it was an accident and then later change it to an attack if it was wrong than the other way around, wouldn't it? I think in terms of the "up to the minute coverage" it's more likely to be a mistake or an incorrect assumption than an actual lie, because first reports are often muddled and confused, and often times they end up picking a source and just going with it rather than waiting a bit for verification. They do let their personal beliefs color it to much, but outside of FOX and political commercials they rarely do straight out lying.The Virgo said:They knew that a helicopter fell out of the sky somewhere over 7,000 miles away and who was on board, but didn't know that a rocket hit it? Uh-huh, right. The news media has either lied or warped the truth so many times that I look upon everything they do with skepticism. At the very least, until they knew for certain, they shouldn't have said "accident".Ironic Pirate said:
By the way, surprise that you were the one who replied, because I had actually been looking for you. I have to ask you: where did you find that GIF, the one you're using as a profile pic? I have to know, it's so awful and evil it's fantastic!
http://senorgif.memebase.com/2010/04/17/funny-animated-gifs-willy-nooooo/
I don't think that's where I actually found it, but it looks to be the same.
THE SATELLITE IS GOING DOWN?! WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT!! What happened is that you tried to make him look like the bad guy, but he had his shit together more than you thought and you didn't even the balls to admit that he was right and you came up with the most shit excuse ever! >:-(
Never, EVER, trust the media. That is probably the best advice I have to give you.
Also, thanks for the link to the GIF!
Sidebar, Wolf Blitzer is a colossal waste of a name. It's the kind of name that goes to B-Movie action star, the leader of an elite commando force, or some kind of wolf based super hero. Some doofus on CNN with the entertainment value of watching C-Span on mute doesn't deserve to even talk to Wolf Blitzer, let alone be him.
Anyway, you're welcome.
For those dirty foreigners to bend the knee and kiss the shiny barrel of their new overlord military's guns. Personally, I am impressed whenever a bunch of peasants manage to do what they did there, at least it's a major improvement over killing themselves.Asti said:
