300...Too violent or not violent enough?
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Now that we're all done crucifying Melty for his historical blunder, onto the violence!
I'd say 300 had just the right amount of it. It had just enough to be totally awesome, without piling on so much that it became tasteless (Yes, I just called 300's violence tasteful, bite me!).
I'd say 300 had just the right amount of it. It had just enough to be totally awesome, without piling on so much that it became tasteless (Yes, I just called 300's violence tasteful, bite me!).
Curse you, foiled again in my attempts at ignorance.Rabid Toilet said:
(And now, we return you to your regularly scheduled posting.)
They may not have gotten that far in school yet...Dorian Cornelius Jasper said:
I thought the amount of violence was just right, perfectly over the top, especially given how stylized the overall look was. And, it must be said, sexy as hell.
But the amount of dialog was too much. Or, let me amend that - the amount of Frank Miller's dialog was too much. Sometimes a screenwriter needs to step up and say, "Are you gonna rewrite that? Because I will if you don't wanna."
Here's me going all reverse-fangirl, so cover your eyes:
I have a big hate-on for Frank Miller. I don't see why all of the comic book world and half the movie industry insist on giving Miller's "genius" a handjob every time he sits down. Especially someone like Tarantino, whose dialog is generally awesome, why?
FRANK MILLER CANNOT WRITE DIALOG. ALSO, HIS ACTUAL DRAWING IS SO FUGLY IT MAKES MY EYES BLEED. PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PEOPLE, STOP GIVING THIS MAN PENS!
He can do a pretty good voiceover/monologue/one of those squared-off exposition boxes in a comics frame. He can also pull off good zingers - "Then we will fight in the shade," that was a good one. But two people having a conversation rather than speechifying at one another? Forget about it. Pbbt.
By the way, my mother? LOVED this movie. It was all about Gerard Butler's well-oiled thighs for her. Apparently, my mom has a thing for War Porn. Who knew?
Sorry to get back on my history horse, but that was an actual quote said at the battle of Thermopylae, when one of the Spartans was told about the number of archers the enemy had. Translated from Greek of course.mshcherbatskaya said:
Sorry, I'll leave now. *scurries away*
QFT. I loathe the man and his style over substance crap. Oh and his pretty damn blatant sexism. I'm pretty flexible with sexism but he's just beyond the pale.mshcherbatskaya said:
Hey! Shoot 'Em Up was silly good fun.Larenxis said:
Don't beat yourself up. The first time I heard of the Battle of Thermopylae I thought it was a myth. It sounded so incredible that it couldn't possibly happen. Go figure.Melty Blood said:
If anything, I thought the film ended too abruptly. They could have done a lot more with the final day of the battle. But all in all a great film.
What the hell is wrong with you? You don't mutter it under your breath like some serial-killer hiding in an ally right before he jumps on a girl ala Buffalo Bill, you shout it at the top of your lungs whilst heaving a bloody spear above your head (preferably with an enemies severed skull stuck to it. Leonidas gets away with no spear because he slo-mo kicked a guy into a hole). And when typing it, it must be in all caps followed be no less the three exclemation points.Easykill said:
Example: THIS. IS. SPARTA!!!
For your punishment, I sentence you to "re-education" by way of watching the movie no less the three times back to back. One viewing for every missed exclemation point.
No! That's good! That's one less thing that Frank Miller gets to take credit for. *hates*Rabid Toilet said:
If you are trying to get me to adore you, it's working. I cannot possibly hate Miller more than he deserves, so any help you can lend me on that front is appreciated.Saskwach said:
My opinions in the comic book area are, as you can see, rather strong.
I quite liked the violence level. Enough to prove the point, but not so much that it makes you squeamish for 10 minutes and then bored for the rest.
Definately. More like the Leonidus-meets-Xerxes scene. That was almost too blatant.Chilango2 said:
So you saw Leonidus' death and still think there was no overkill?AnGeL.SLayer said:
*My dastardly plan is working. I should keep this up.*mshcherbatskaya said:
My first introduciton to Miller was through the Sin City movie. It's fun and all but it struck me as quite vicious for its own sake. A pretty dumb movie for teenage guys (and girls! I know some equally bloodthirsty ones) who liked their violence and their pretty pictures. Not that I'm not PART of that group but I can tell when I'm being appealed to at a base level. It's not hard to see the sexual stereotypes either. Omg prostitute warrior women! So hot. A kickass samurai chick. A woman who sleeps and walks around Marv naked. Jessica Alba as a helpless girl and then pole dancer who Big Bad Bruce must protect her entire life. Scanning the books I could see that the film was pretry loyal to its source. Frank Miller was stowed away as "style ove substance sexist pigdog who at least knows his gory violence". It sounds mean but I'm easy with the messages of a movie or comic as long as they're so overt and silly only already messed up idiots will take anything from them.
The final straw was when I found an article on some sort of design document he wrote for one of his latest Batman comics (not sure about that). It was a frame by frame description for his artist to follow along with the dialogue. With some creative googling you can find the article. Anywho, it's basically a scene where a reporter lady is talking on the phone in her lingerie about how hot batman and superman are. The gist of Miller's description is "do the panty shot. Now go closer. Now take in the bust. Yes I'm a dirty man but do it anyway." Again, I know guys like to be titilated but seriously, what?
I suggest one viewing for every uncapitalised letter as well.qbert4ever said:
Never seen it, but it would seem the actual history has been hideously butchered by Miller and Hollywood.
I enjoyed Sin City. The two 'Main' charcters were... well, dumb. Marv was a one-dimensioal thug who couldn't be killed and the other (Clive Owen) was a noble-ish psycho, who also, culdn't be killed. Hartigan was the better of the three charcters, because he actualy had some tangible weakness.
I enjoyed Sin City. The two 'Main' charcters were... well, dumb. Marv was a one-dimensioal thug who couldn't be killed and the other (Clive Owen) was a noble-ish psycho, who also, culdn't be killed. Hartigan was the better of the three charcters, because he actualy had some tangible weakness.
I'm very glad I wasn't the only one that found 'Sin City' really mesognistic (?). Offensively, in some cases. It's very base, it's like a noir novel mixed with 80's ultraviolence, none of it particularly well written.
300 was homoerotic for all the right reasons. I'm not saying thats a bad thing at all. It was just so crudely designed as a comic, that it had to come across as that, because it couldn't deal with complexity (the fact Miller, in 300, was actually trying to adapt the art of the time, classical greek period, where everyone is shown as naked, doesn't come across well)
THIS. IS. SPARTA!!! (but you must understand, we're not gay, despite the fact shirts for men have apparently been outlawed)
300 was homoerotic for all the right reasons. I'm not saying thats a bad thing at all. It was just so crudely designed as a comic, that it had to come across as that, because it couldn't deal with complexity (the fact Miller, in 300, was actually trying to adapt the art of the time, classical greek period, where everyone is shown as naked, doesn't come across well)
THIS. IS. SPARTA!!! (but you must understand, we're not gay, despite the fact shirts for men have apparently been outlawed)
And I was just being glad everybody seemed to have forgotten about The Highly Predictable Monotonous Adventures of Captain Ineedslomotobeimpressive and his Merry Band of He-man Clones..
Need I mention I did not enjoy this movie? That I found the fights bland, boring and stretched ad infinitum? That the cardboard characters annoyed me? The the stupidity of the story was only equalled by the unimpressiveness of one trick being stretched into a full-length movie?
Need I mention I did not enjoy this movie? That I found the fights bland, boring and stretched ad infinitum? That the cardboard characters annoyed me? The the stupidity of the story was only equalled by the unimpressiveness of one trick being stretched into a full-length movie?
I don't think that the problem was the violence (granted, there was plenty of that). I think they either needed to go all the way or not at all with the freaks. When all you see is the fat guy with the bladed arms and the giant who feels no pain, it feels a bit off in context. They either needed to come with the midget archers and dinosaurs as well, or just leave it out all together.