6 people stabbed in Jersey, including 3 children.

[Sizzle Montyjing]

This has turned into a gun argument.
FANTISMO!
...
Seriously, how did this happen?

People that are convicted of such horrible atrocities should be publicly subjected to the same fate. I say, string him up, in a public park, and let chavs knife him until justice is done.

I don't know, wouldn't we be as bad as him then?
And besides, he could have been chronically insane.
(that's not an excuse but he could be horrified with what he has done)

 

[JoJo]

Ye that's just reeeealy grim especially with young children involved, always hits a nerve whenever I read about kids getting murdered It's like what could they have possibly done to deserve that

This, it's very sad to hear about children being killed, especially on a small island like Jersey.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

Ye that's just reeeealy grim especially with young children involved, always hits a nerve whenever I read about kids getting murdered It's like what could they have possibly done to deserve that

This, it's very sad to hear about children being killed, especially on a small island like Jersey.

And one with such a good safety record.
People there are shocked, just 7 years ago i think they had the lowest crime in the UK.

 

[Dark Knifer]

People that are convicted of such horrible atrocities should be publicly subjected to the same fate. I say, string him up, in a public park, and let chavs knife him until justice is done.

Not exactly the sort of feelings you want to have the general public to be feeling. It's probably true he could deserve that but you'll get people thinking that they have rights to vengence like this and take matters into their own hands. It's better to punish him away from the public so they don't harbor such thoughts.

Punishment is still punishment and this is better for the public at all. I mean, having a public execution would be really morbid and horrifying to the average person. I do agree justice should be done but even I'd feel uncomfortable about witnessing that and I want people like that murderer far away from me so I'd go with prison personally, but I see your point.

 

[enzilewulf]

....Fuck. This is why the world is going to shit.

 

[King of the Sandbox]

This has turned into a gun argument.
FANTISMO!
...
Seriously, how did this happen?

People that are convicted of such horrible atrocities should be publicly subjected to the same fate. I say, string him up, in a public park, and let chavs knife him until justice is done.

I don't know, wouldn't we be as bad as him then?
And besides, he could have been chronically insane.
(that's not an excuse but he could be horrified with what he has done)

Eye for an eye, imho. You don't get a "get out of jail card" for being mentally unstable, either.

 

[King of the Sandbox]

People that are convicted of such horrible atrocities should be publicly subjected to the same fate. I say, string him up, in a public park, and let chavs knife him until justice is done.

Not exactly the sort of feelings you want to have the general public to be feeling. It's probably true he could deserve that but you'll get people thinking that they have rights to vengence like this and take matters into their own hands. It's better to punish him away from the public so they don't harbor such thoughts.

Punishment is still punishment and this is better for the public at all. I mean, having a public execution would be really morbid and horrifying to the average person. I do agree justice should be done but even I'd feel uncomfortable about witnessing that and I want people like that murderer far away from me so I'd go with prison personally, but I see your point.

Oh, no one would be forced to watch it. And it's the only way to put fear into criminal scum, properly. (Batman had that part right.) Nowadays it's hip to go to prison and even a badge of honor among some murdering assholes. The thought of horrible, horrible retribution is the only way.

Again, this is all imo.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

This has turned into a gun argument.
FANTISMO!
...
Seriously, how did this happen?

People that are convicted of such horrible atrocities should be publicly subjected to the same fate. I say, string him up, in a public park, and let chavs knife him until justice is done.

I don't know, wouldn't we be as bad as him then?
And besides, he could have been chronically insane.
(that's not an excuse but he could be horrified with what he has done)

Eye for an eye, imho. You don't get a "get out of jail card" for being mentally unstable, either.

'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
That way the whole world would be blind and toothless.'
- Some wise person.

And mental illness isn't a get out free card, i just meant that he could need some serious help and be incredibly remorseful.
But that probably isn't the case.

Other people died because it apparently escalted and went outside.

 

[Dark Knifer]

People that are convicted of such horrible atrocities should be publicly subjected to the same fate. I say, string him up, in a public park, and let chavs knife him until justice is done.

Not exactly the sort of feelings you want to have the general public to be feeling. It's probably true he could deserve that but you'll get people thinking that they have rights to vengence like this and take matters into their own hands. It's better to punish him away from the public so they don't harbor such thoughts.

Punishment is still punishment and this is better for the public at all. I mean, having a public execution would be really morbid and horrifying to the average person. I do agree justice should be done but even I'd feel uncomfortable about witnessing that and I want people like that murderer far away from me so I'd go with prison personally, but I see your point.

Oh, no one would be forced to watch it. And it's the only way to put fear into criminal scum, properly. (Batman had that part right.) Nowadays it's hip to go to prison and even a badge of honor among some murdering assholes. The thought of horrible, horrible retribution is the only way.

Again, this is all imo.

Ok, it's just you said a public park which means some would unintentionally see it, but in a facility of some sort where no-one would see it then yeah, that makes sense. For people like this who are obviously deranged and have no chance of fitting back into society then yes, that works.

 

[Robert Ewing]

Don't worry. he'll get out in about 20 years for good behavior. The British justice system is good like that.

 

[Alexnader]

Whoever did this deserves to be taken out back and shot the day the jury finds him guilty.

Honestly, it's stuff like this that make me glad I can get a handgun carry permit when I turn 21, because something can happen in even the safest of places. Even if I was stabbed first, at least someone with me could grab my gun and try to survive.

But what if the stabber had Commando Pro?

OT: ...what a lovely way to start my day.

If he had Commando Pro, then I just hope I notice the person in the street with a weapon at the ready before I'm fifty feet away.

Whoever did this deserves to be taken out back and shot the day the jury finds him guilty.

Honestly, it's stuff like this that make me glad I can get a handgun carry permit when I turn 21, because something can happen in even the safest of places. Even if I was stabbed first, at least someone with me could grab my gun and try to survive.

Aren't you more likely to shoot yourself or someone innocent though?
I've never really thought that guns solve anything, other than the hideous problem of over-population.

Normally yes, but one of the benefits of legally owning weapons is being able to go to ranges and practice. Ammo's relatively cheap, so I know I'll be practicing. I mean, I could buy a few hundred handgun rounds instead of a video game, so it'd just be a matter of choosing the ammo over the next new release. It's just something you have to take seriously (which everyone who owns a gun should, since it's the difference between life and death).

And guns solve quite a few problems. Look at Hitler: we tried giving him what he wanted to avoid war, and look how that turned out. It would've been nice to not have a second world war, but violence can be used for good.

Guess who also trained with guns a fair bit, Andrew Behring Breivik. Also what if Hitler didn't have guns, no problem then.

The point is people are complicated and guns aren't, if someone feels they have a complication with someone else they can just whip out a gun and the complication has suddenly disappeared in a spray of red stuff.

 

[King of the Sandbox]

snippaged by request

'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
That way the whole world would be blind and toothless.'
- Some wise person.

And mental illness isn't a get out free card, i just meant that he could need some serious help and be incredibly remorseful.
But that probably isn't the case.

Other people died because it apparently escalted and went outside.

I've always hated that saying, really. As who just goes around taking eyes and teeth? It's death for murder, property taken for theft, etc. But I do get he jist, I just don't think it's correct. /shrugs

snippage by request -


Ok, it's just you said a public park which means some would unintentionally see it, but in a facility of some sort where no-one would see it then yeah, that makes sense. For people like this who are obviously deranged and have no chance of fitting back into society then yes, that works.

Sorry, that's my bad, I should have said a forum open to the public.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

Seriously, can we just use snippets?
It's getting a bit crowded here, and i want to keep everything readable.

Like so.

-snip-, or a specific phrase

 

[Jedoro]

Whoever did this deserves to be taken out back and shot the day the jury finds him guilty.

Honestly, it's stuff like this that make me glad I can get a handgun carry permit when I turn 21, because something can happen in even the safest of places. Even if I was stabbed first, at least someone with me could grab my gun and try to survive.

But what if the stabber had Commando Pro?

OT: ...what a lovely way to start my day.

If he had Commando Pro, then I just hope I notice the person in the street with a weapon at the ready before I'm fifty feet away.

Whoever did this deserves to be taken out back and shot the day the jury finds him guilty.

Honestly, it's stuff like this that make me glad I can get a handgun carry permit when I turn 21, because something can happen in even the safest of places. Even if I was stabbed first, at least someone with me could grab my gun and try to survive.

Aren't you more likely to shoot yourself or someone innocent though?
I've never really thought that guns solve anything, other than the hideous problem of over-population.

Normally yes, but one of the benefits of legally owning weapons is being able to go to ranges and practice. Ammo's relatively cheap, so I know I'll be practicing. I mean, I could buy a few hundred handgun rounds instead of a video game, so it'd just be a matter of choosing the ammo over the next new release. It's just something you have to take seriously (which everyone who owns a gun should, since it's the difference between life and death).

And guns solve quite a few problems. Look at Hitler: we tried giving him what he wanted to avoid war, and look how that turned out. It would've been nice to not have a second world war, but violence can be used for good.

Guess who also trained with guns a fair bit, Andrew Behring Breivik. Also what if Hitler didn't have guns, no problem then.

The point is people are complicated and guns aren't, if someone feels they have a complication with someone else they can just whip out a gun and the complication has suddenly disappeared in a spray of red stuff.

Then it increases again when the murder investigation begins. People have been killing each other long before we invented guns, but I'd rather be ready to defend myself than just accept that I'm about to become another victim.

 

[Doomsday11]

A jersey resident here this is terrible everyone here's freaking out abit this is a terrible incident.

 

[ruben6f]

I hate and don't understand people that do these kind of things, people loke these should be punished but many crimes like these end with no punishment (or with a lighter punishment) because many criminals just claim that they are insane.

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

A jersey resident here this is terrible everyone here's freaking out abit this is a terrible incident.

Yeah, what's it like over there at the minute?
I hear it's a small community and this is quite a big shock.

 

[Kadoodle]

Oi, I saw the title, and thought, "Damn, New Jersey? I live there. I bet it happened in Newark."

Then I realized, "Wrong Jersey.

Still, this is sick shit. This is why we will never have world peace, because there will always be psychos like this.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

This is a terrible thing, but we should stay grounded and remember it's only news because it's such an out of the ordinary, and rare ocurrence, it's not necessarily a sign of things to come, or a portent that we're sinking into a future of violent chaos.

Sometimes a lone violent nutcase, is just a lone nutcase, not a sign of armageddon.

Of course it's a tragedy, but I don't for a moment believe Jersey is a more dangerous place to live now than it was last week.

Also, the thing about lone nutcases, is you really can't defend too much against them. Every now and then, someone snaps, there's a horrible loss of innocent lives, and I don't believe there's anything that could have stopped it.

Just as, for instance, the town where Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat lived are no more dangerous than they were a few years ago.

I still maintain we're not that much worse off in terms of violence and murder than we were 20,50, or 100 years ago, we're just all far more likely to know about it nowadays, with our far greater levels of communication.

By the way, I know I've said a couple of things that may be seen as an opener to it, but lets not turn this thread into another 'oh well, if we duct taped a gun to every toddler's hand everyone would be safer' either, there's already signs it's going that way. Just make a new 'aint guns grand' thread if you must.

 

[SillyBear]

Eye for an eye, imho.

Looks at list of countries who use the "eye for an eye" legal policy.

Compares list with countries that do not.

Compares cultural well being and effectiveness of government.

Laughs at you.

Sorry for speaking like a robot.