6 people stabbed in Jersey, including 3 children.

[SenseOfTumour]

Eye for an eye, imho.

Looks at list of countries who use the "eye for an eye" legal policy.

Compares list with countries that do not.

Compares cultural well being.

Laughs at you.

Sorry for speaking like a robot.

Also, how do you carry that out on mass murderers? Kill him and 5 of his family? or just kill him 6 times?

As for world peace, I don't think random nutters are really the problem, I think if we got all countries, races, religions and political leanings to accept each other, I think we could handle the occasional crazed murderer without needing to blame on anything but being mental in the skull.

 

[hedges1001]

Whoever did this deserves to be taken out back and shot the day the jury finds him guilty.

Honestly, it's stuff like this that make me glad I can get a handgun carry permit when I turn 21, because something can happen in even the safest of places. Even if I was stabbed first, at least someone with me could grab my gun and try to survive.

Or the stabber could grab your gun and stop stabbing and start shooting. Just a thought.

The difference is my friends would know I had it and where, the stabber wouldn't.

If he's close enough to stab you he's close enough to frisk your corpse, especially if you were in the midst of pulling it out when said stabbing occured.

Regardless, OT: A shame, first Oslo and now this. Seems the world is getting worse and worse everyday.

I'm not sure frisking my corpse would be his primary concern if there are others around me, lest he find his face on the receiving end of an adrenaline-fueled Falcon Punch from one of my friends. Stabs are rarely instantly lethal, so maybe I'd get to start shooting before enough blood poured out to completely disable me.

Not saying I'm any kind of superhuman, but my main point is I'd at least legally have a weapon of my own to try to use.

Having been on the wrong end of a knife on one occasion I can say the bleeding won't disable you, the pain will. More painful than anything that's happened to me.
in any case I was more making a point than saying a gun wouldn't help.

Spoiler

Also, what if you didn't have any friends with ya?

i too have been on the wrong end of stabbing implements more than once and the shock would keep you aware for a few minutes the first time but after that depending on the wound you'll either cry like a baby and pass out or just pass out

 

[Baneat]

'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
That way the whole world would be blind and toothless.'
- Some wise person.

An Eye for an Eye makes the whole world blind - Mahatma Gandhi

No I didn't get this from Call of Duty *shifty-eyes*

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

'An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.
That way the whole world would be blind and toothless.'
- Some wise person.

An Eye for an Eye makes the whole world blind - Mahatma Gandhi

No I didn't get this from Call of Duty *shifty-eyes*

I got it from a poster in an R.E room, a good a place as any.

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

Whoever did this deserves to be taken out back and shot the day the jury finds him guilty.

Honestly, it's stuff like this that make me glad I can get a handgun carry permit when I turn 21, because something can happen in even the safest of places. Even if I was stabbed first, at least someone with me could grab my gun and try to survive.

Ahahaha, I love logic like that.

 

[James Crook]

UPDATE!
I just was watching the news on TMC (a French channel) and they announced a 30 year old man was arrested and put in custody by the police. According the local police force, it's a family affair gone awry.

 

[floppylobster]

I love how your thread has appeared right next to another one titled "Favourite Melee Weapon Choice?". The original poster of that thread has put down 'Spear' as their favourite. Followed by five more pages of others naming weapons like 'trench spike', 'machete' and 'butterfly knife', most in jest, but some without even a hint of irony.

Now heaven forbid I start another misguided gaming/violence thread but we surely must admit here that there is some link between our desire to act out (through games in some cases), or fantasize about violent behaviour, that we all seem to feel, (or at the very least, understand), and the violent behaviour that some twisted individuals eventually, and often tragically, follow through with (very long sentence).

So what's the deal? Can we look inside our dark souls and admit that some part of us understands, but in no way condones these violent acts? Or do we say these people are different from us in every conceivable way? And if so, how do we begin to understand, and hopefully one day stop these things from happening?

 

[Swedmarine]

I'm don't think an eye for an eye is the right approach with people like this. Give him a conscience instead.

 

[alrekr]

And guns solve quite a few problems. Look at Hitler: we tried giving him what he wanted to avoid war, and look how that turned out. It would've been nice to not have a second world war, but violence can be used for good.

Okay now I really dislike it when people use this. Firstly Hitler came to power because everyone (especially the French) were treating Germany like shit. Then when the USA stopped giving Germany loans their economy crashed as they couldn't pay back the war reperations from the first world war; this casued people to turn to extremists parties like the communists and the nazi party.

Further more the outrbreak of war was mainly due to a failure at a politcal level by the legaue of nations. Their failure to deal with the Manchuria or Abbysinnia crisis further boosted the confidnece of Hitler.

WW2 happened as a direct result of the first world war and the political and economic failings that followed.

[/history rant]

OT:Sigh their will always be some nutjobs who decide to go on a killing spree; society isn't falling apart or getting worse it's just staying how its allways been... still sad though.

 

[SenseOfTumour]

I love how your post has appeared right next to another one titled "Favourite Melee Weapon Choice?". The original poster of that thread has put down 'Spear' as their favourite. Followed by five more pages of others naming weapons like 'trench spike', 'machete' and 'butterfly knife', most in jest, but some without even a hint of irony.

Now heaven forbid I start another misguided gaming/violence thread but we surely must admit here that there is some link between our desire to act out (through games in some cases), or fantasize about violent behaviour, that we all seem to feel, (or at the very least, understand), and the violent behaviour that some twisted individuals eventually, and often tragically, follow through with (very long sentence).

So what's the deal? Can we look inside our dark souls and admit that some part of us understands, but in no way condones these violent acts? Or do we say these people are different from us in every conceivable way? And if so, how do we begin to understand, and hopefully one day stop these things from happening?

Fully agree there, I've caught myself stuck behind some guy walking really slowly and thinking 'if I pulled his head off he'd die and be out of my way', but I don't really want to kill anyone, it's just the darkest part of my imagination running wild, fueled by a certain level of irritation.

I've never so much as punched anyone since school, yet I probably kill a few people a week in my mind, and a few hundred more on screen

 

[CrazyGirl17]

...WHAT.

Stories like this REALLY don't help my faith in humanity...

 

[Sizzle Montyjing]

I love how your post has appeared right next to another one titled "Favourite Melee Weapon Choice?". The original poster of that thread has put down 'Spear' as their favourite. Followed by five more pages of others naming weapons like 'trench spike', 'machete' and 'butterfly knife', most in jest, but some without even a hint of irony.

Now heaven forbid I start another misguided gaming/violence thread but we surely must admit here that there is some link between our desire to act out (through games in some cases), or fantasize about violent behaviour, that we all seem to feel, (or at the very least, understand), and the violent behaviour that some twisted individuals eventually, and often tragically, follow through with (very long sentence).

So what's the deal? Can we look inside our dark souls and admit that some part of us understands, but in no way condones these violent acts? Or do we say these people are different from us in every conceivable way? And if so, how do we begin to understand, and hopefully one day stop these things from happening?

Fully agree there, I've caught myself stuck behind some guy walking really slowly and thinking 'if I pulled his head off he'd die and be out of my way', but I don't really want to kill anyone, it's just the darkest part of my imagination running wild, fueled by a certain level of irritation.

I've never so much as punched anyone since school, yet I probably kill a few people a week in my mind, and a few hundred more on screen

I've found myself thinking about how easy it would be to go into school with a kitchen knife and kill people throughout the day.

I'd probably hide their bodies in the toliet.
Sorry i'm getting a bit too 'into' this.
And especially on the thread subject...

 

[Thaluikhain]

I love how your post has appeared right next to another one titled "Favourite Melee Weapon Choice?". The original poster of that thread has put down 'Spear' as their favourite. Followed by five more pages of others naming weapons like 'trench spike', 'machete' and 'butterfly knife', most in jest, but some without even a hint of irony.

Now heaven forbid I start another misguided gaming/violence thread but we surely must admit here that there is some link between our desire to act out (through games in some cases), or fantasize about violent behaviour, that we all seem to feel, (or at the very least, understand), and the violent behaviour that some twisted individuals eventually, and often tragically, follow through with (very long sentence).

So what's the deal? Can we look inside our dark souls and admit that some part of us understands, but in no way condones these violent acts? Or do we say these people are different from us in every conceivable way? And if so, how do we begin to understand, and hopefully one day stop these things from happening?

Ouch...good point.

I also like how as soon as something like this happens, everyone assumes that the city/island has fallen apart, because a guy in a "proper" community doesn't go out and murder his family or co-workers.

Violence isn't some bizarre aberration, it's something that occurs quite regularly, but the news relies on shock value, so such things must remain new and shocking, not matter how often thet happen.

 

[EvilMaggot]

Whoever did this deserves to be taken out back and shot the day the jury finds him guilty.

Honestly, it's stuff like this that make me glad I can get a handgun carry permit when I turn 21, because something can happen in even the safest of places. Even if I was stabbed first, at least someone with me could grab my gun and try to survive.

Or the stabber could grab your gun and stop stabbing and start shooting. Just a thought.

The difference is my friends would know I had it and where, the stabber wouldn't.

If he's close enough to stab you he's close enough to frisk your corpse, especially if you were in the midst of pulling it out when said stabbing occured.

Regardless, OT: A shame, first Oslo and now this. Seems the world is getting worse and worse everyday.

I'm not sure frisking my corpse would be his primary concern if there are others around me, lest he find his face on the receiving end of an adrenaline-fueled Falcon Punch from one of my friends. Stabs are rarely instantly lethal, so maybe I'd get to start shooting before enough blood poured out to completely disable me.

Not saying I'm any kind of superhuman, but my main point is I'd at least legally have a weapon of my own to try to use.

Having been on the wrong end of a knife on one occasion I can say the bleeding won't disable you, the pain will. More painful than anything that's happened to me.
in any case I was more making a point than saying a gun wouldn't help.

Spoiler

Also, what if you didn't have any friends with ya?

I can understand that.

Spoiler

I've been working on making myself keep my eyes moving, checking people's hands and where they're looking, and pretty much looking at any kind of sudden movement. I'm not terribly subtle about it, either, since security's taught me to check my corners and look behind me every now and then. Without the distraction of company, I'm pretty much looking everywhere. I'm not perfect at it, but it helps stack the odds more in my favor.

youuuu are kinda paranoid

 

[wooty]

So much violence and disruption in the news this week, so close to home too. Makes you wonder whether all this talk of the "broken society" really does hold water

 

[Actual]

Eye for an eye, imho. You don't get a "get out of jail card" for being mentally unstable, either.

"Take not an eye for an eye...turn the other cheek" Paraphrased from Jesus mo-fucking Christ, Matthew 5:38.

Though whoever does this obviously needs to be locked away I'm never in favour of permanent punishment for the simple reason that even the most clear cut of court cases can be mistaken.

 

[Dags90]

Oi, I saw the title, and thought, "Damn, New Jersey? I live there. I bet it happened in Newark."

Then I realized, "Wrong Jersey".

Still, this is sick shit. This is why we will never have world peace, because there will always be psychos like this.

If this happened in Newark it wouldn't be a big news story. It'd make it onto News 12, probably one of the New York nightly news shows. Then by morning we'd be trying to stop thinking about it over a Taylor ham sandwich.

 

[wordsmith]

Whoever did this deserves to be taken out back and shot the day the jury finds him guilty.

Honestly, it's stuff like this that make me glad I can get a handgun carry permit when I turn 21, because something can happen in even the safest of places. Even if I was stabbed first, at least someone with me could grab my gun and try to survive.

I'm from Jersey, I know the street it happened on. I work with a guy who leaves his kids with a childminder who lives 2 doors down from the house. In this instance, a gun would only have done more harm than good.

All the houses on both sides of the street are granite, there are cars parked on both sides of the street. The chance of a ricochet going through an innocent bystander are massive. The cops who showed up are the local firearms squad, but the killer was already bleeding by the time they got there.

On the subject of gun control, Jersey is actually a lot more lenient than the UK, pistols are legal to own, although carry is only allowed between the locker and the range, and the gun must be visably empty at all times.

What we know locally is pretty much what you guys know - guy gets in an argument with his wife, stabs her and their kids, then knifes her mate and her kid when they try to help. He's stable, they'll either make him serve his sentence here or deport him back to Poland.

The Polish community are pretty close over here, and some of them are hard bastards. Although he'll serve a very, very long time for 5 murders (even with mitigating circumstances), I don't know if he'll make it all the way to the end, having killed 3 kids.

 

[Metropocalypse]

A jersey resident here this is terrible everyone here's freaking out abit this is a terrible incident.

Yeah, what's it like over there at the minute?
I hear it's a small community and this is quite a big shock.

It's a huge deal over here. We're all pretty shocked since nothing like that has ever really happened here before.