7 year old girl shot dead while selling some lemonade

[LetalisK]

Looks like someone didn't pay their union dues. And considering this is Chicago, I'm not at all surprised.

 

[Treblaine]

Will this convince a gun amnesty from Gangsters in the Chicago area? They've had a week.

In the UK when this sort of thing happens (usually a stabbing) there is an amnesty to hand in lethal weapons anonymously without legal consequence just to get them off the streets. Apparently in the UK people walk in with fully loaded full-auto AK47 assault rifles to turn them in.

Are there gun amnesties in cities like Chicago? How effective are they? If not, why not?

Edit: not that less guns really solves anything, I'm just looking at this aspect what It might contribute to the issue.

 

[the doom cannon]

Spoiler

What it means, is... wait for it...regulating firearms would reduce the number of them.

And how would that ever be a good thing?

It would be a good thing since it would also reduce the amount of people stupid enough to start a shoot-out in public.
In Finland, which although is quite the small country compared to USA and many other countries, has a lower amount of deaths by gunshots than your average state (e.g. Lousiana, ahem..). A single state, having a larger death rate than a whole country? There is something wrong about that, don't you think?
In Finland, civilians aren't allowed to carry guns in public. Or for that matter, anything that even resembles a gun. In my opinion, that's only a good thing. Leave the guns for warfare and shooting ranges.
That way all the disputes can be solved by word, or fists, whichever works. That way there won't be any "collateral damage" and if someone has actually got a gun in public, shooting it even once pretty much "blows your cover". It's easy for everyone to point out the shooter.

Hey you know what, you aren't allowed to carry guns in public in the US either. You need a concealed carry permit, and those are damn hard to get. Taking guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens does nothing to curb the use of illegal, unregistered weapons by criminals. Why don't people understand this? Making it harder to obtain them LEGALLY isn't going to do anything. To fix the problem, you make them harder to obtain ILlegally. You would think with all the people on this thread saying this, you would come to understand. Obviously some people will never understand.

EDIT: Also, how would you go about "just pointing out the shooter." If you're identifying him, what's to stop him from shooting you to keep you quiet? If you're in the vicinity of a gunfight, you get the fuck out of there. You don't stop and say "hmm white male, looks like hes about 6 feet tall, not overweight so probably around 190 pounds, hes got a mask on but his eyes look brown, and hes wearing 505 Levis jeans size 34-34

Will this convince a gun amnesty from Gangsters in the Chicago area? They've had a week.

In the UK when this sort of thing happens (usually a stabbing) there is an amnesty to hand in lethal weapons anonymously without legal consequence just to get them off the streets. Apparently in the UK people walk in with fully loaded full-auto AK47 assault rifles to turn them in.

Are there gun amnesties in cities like Chicago? How effective are they? If not, why not?

Edit: not that less guns really solves anything, I'm just looking at this aspect what It might contribute to the issue.

The criminals won't be turning in their weapons, and neither would citizens who cherish the right to own personal firearms. Gun amnesty doesn't do anything in a country in which guns are legal.

 

[springheeljack]

That is really fucked up and sad that a young child's life is so cruelly taken away by a stray bullet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNcS5Wl2qlo

 

[Treblaine]

Will this convince a gun amnesty from Gangsters in the Chicago area? They've had a week.

In the UK when this sort of thing happens (usually a stabbing) there is an amnesty to hand in lethal weapons anonymously without legal consequence just to get them off the streets. Apparently in the UK people walk in with fully loaded full-auto AK47 assault rifles to turn them in.

Are there gun amnesties in cities like Chicago? How effective are they? If not, why not?

Edit: not that less guns really solves anything, I'm just looking at this aspect what It might contribute to the issue.

The criminals won't be turning in their weapons, and neither would citizens who cherish the right to own personal firearms. Gun amnesty doesn't do anything in a country in which guns are legal.

Well the way gun amnesty works is playing to a gambler's paranoia that most criminals follow.

The implicit threat is that when the gun amnesty is over the police then raid all the local crims and anyone caught illegally owning a gun gets and extra bad sentence from how that poor little girl just died and how they didn't even take advantage of the gun amnesty.

Now the trick here is the police can't catch every gun, but the crims don't know where is going to get raided. So a load of them dump their guns before the dragnet comes by. So overall more guns are off the streets.

Chicago I hear has VERY strict gun laws and anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed to have any firearm on their premises.

But I don't know, when you have SO MANY guns in circulation, it can get a bit futile, like jumping into a pool WITH the towel. Better embrace the wetness and go with the flow

The important thing is that tragedies like this little girl being shot by a stray bullet need to end or at least be made less likely. If america is going to live with a high number of guns, how do you stop these people spraying bullets across streets with little kids caught in the cross fire? Inventive for gangsters to be more discriminating in their gangland shootings? Such as harsher penalties for accidentally killing a child than DELIBERATELY killing an adult gangster?

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

The Wild West? Such a british thing to say. Yes, all 350 million of us are cowboys with six-shooters on our hips. Now, if you don't mind pardner, I'll be moseying off into the sunset now.

What do ya' mean we don't live in the Wild West pardner? Why just the other day I was out searching for Mexican gold with my trustee steed and one of them Indian guides.

 

[the doom cannon]

The important thing is that tragedies like this little girl being shot by a stray bullet need to end or at least be made less likely. If america is going to live with a high number of guns, how do you stop these people spraying bullets across streets with little kids caught in the cross fire?

THIS is the problem that needs to be addressed. I don't like the death of innocent people any more than the next guy, but I would like a fix to be implemented that actually does something useful. Taking away guns from responsible, law abiding citizens is not that fix, nor is it even in the right direction. Neither is cutting police funding. Unfortunately, those are the only fixes that people seem to want nowadays.

 

[Syzygy23]

The Wild West? Such a british thing to say. Yes, all 350 million of us are cowboys with six-shooters on our hips. Now, if you don't mind pardner, I'll be moseying off into the sunset now.

What do ya' mean we don't live in the Wild West pardner? Why just the other day I was out searching for Mexican gold with my trustee steed and one of them Indian guides.

They's is called INJUNS, boy, you get it right!

 

[senordesol]

Will this convince a gun amnesty from Gangsters in the Chicago area? They've had a week.

In the UK when this sort of thing happens (usually a stabbing) there is an amnesty to hand in lethal weapons anonymously without legal consequence just to get them off the streets. Apparently in the UK people walk in with fully loaded full-auto AK47 assault rifles to turn them in.

Are there gun amnesties in cities like Chicago? How effective are they? If not, why not?

Edit: not that less guns really solves anything, I'm just looking at this aspect what It might contribute to the issue.

The criminals won't be turning in their weapons, and neither would citizens who cherish the right to own personal firearms. Gun amnesty doesn't do anything in a country in which guns are legal.

Well the way gun amnesty works is playing to a gambler's paranoia that most criminals follow.

The implicit threat is that when the gun amnesty is over the police then raid all the local crims and anyone caught illegally owning a gun gets and extra bad sentence from how that poor little girl just died and how they didn't even take advantage of the gun amnesty.

Now the trick here is the police can't catch every gun, but the crims don't know where is going to get raided. So a load of them dump their guns before the dragnet comes by. So overall more guns are off the streets.

Chicago I hear has VERY strict gun laws and anyone with a criminal history isn't allowed to have any firearm on their premises.

But I don't know, when you have SO MANY guns in circulation, it can get a bit futile, like jumping into a pool WITH the towel. Better embrace the wetness and go with the flow

The important thing is that tragedies like this little girl being shot by a stray bullet need to end or at least be made less likely. If america is going to live with a high number of guns, how do you stop these people spraying bullets across streets with little kids caught in the cross fire? Inventive for gangsters to be more discriminating in their gangland shootings? Such as harsher penalties for accidentally killing a child than DELIBERATELY killing an adult gangster?

The police cannot just 'raid' a place in America unless they have a warrant. And they can't get a warrant unless they've got sufficient evidence to present to a judge that reasonably indicates they will find an illegal weapon (or any other incriminating evidence) on the premises.

Parolees are subject to warrantless search (I think), but if you've never been convicted of anything, you've still got your rights (and if you have, you'd be pretty freaking stupid to keep it in your house).

 

[Goofguy]

Sounds like the city has a problem when she was the 20th person under the age of 17 killed this year. So there are about 3 kids killed per month in Chicago, just atrocious.

 

[Aesir23]

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That is seriously one of the most Morbid things I have seen in a LOOOOOOONG time. I seriously hope the fucker who did it is brought down.

What also Bothers me is that they have had 250 Homicides so far this year.

Up here in Calgary we have only had like 5 (Checks) Wait no only 4! And the first did not happen till like march...

Wow, only 4? Though I guess it's not surprising. I supposedly live in Canada's murder capital and we only get 30-45 per year. Compared to some cities in the world with smaller populations and still get 100+ homicides per year our homicide count is fairly small.

 

[Treblaine]

The police cannot just 'raid' a place in America unless they have a warrant. And they can't get a warrant unless they've got sufficient evidence to present to a judge that reasonably indicates they will find an illegal weapon (or any other incriminating evidence) on the premises.

Parolees are subject to warrantless search (I think), but if you've never been convicted of anything, you've still got your rights (and if you have, you'd be pretty freaking stupid to keep it in your house).

Of course they'll get warrants first. It's not hard to get warrants after a kid just got shot, just shake down some low level hoodlum and get them to agree to an insinuation there might be a gun in the house of a convicted criminal. Test his hand for gun residue. Any tenuous link to get probable cause after such a terrible crime.

Also most gangsters don't know what amounts to probable cause, especially after one of their own gunned down a kid, so they panic and many (not all) use the gun amnesty while they can.

This would also be a good time to set up surveillance on known crims taking vehicles to remote locations, try to search them on probable cause on the way but ultimately follow them to see if they are stashing guns or ammunition. If you find a plastic bag full of guns in the woods, I'd like to see them come forward and claim them as their own property!

 

[J Tyran]

The girl should have had her own handgun, if she had this never would have happened.

/sarcasm.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

It's sad that I'm apparently in the dwindling minority of people who still think the Death Penalty is acceptable for things like this.

Commence the flood of comments telling me I'm wrong.

 

[Aurora Firestorm]

Another sad story from the US involving guns... when will they learn? probably never

This was a couple of gangsters having a shoot out, and a little girl getting hit accidentally. I can absolutely guarantee you that none of the people in that shoot out had legally bought and licensed guns, and I can also guarantee you that no gun control laws would have prevented them from illegally buying them.

And with this, hopefully we can end the gun control bitchery.

Oh wait, crap, there are six more pages. Oh well. tl;dr I like my guns.

The real point of this is, this *sucks.* Terrible thing to have happened. Sadly, events like this happen all too routinely -- some guy tries to hurt/kill some other guy, people get caught in the crossfire -- and it's an unfortunate part of having a human race, because criminals will exist.

 

[Pinkamena]

Obviously she was selling lemonade on the neighbor kids turf. These lemonade wars are getting out of hand!

 

[KingOfGreyfell]

Faith in humanity going... going... gone.

 

[tsb247]

Well, since this has already devolved into another gun control thread...

This tragic event did occur in a city with some of the strictest gun control laws in the country.

Yep, looks like they worked very well...

 

[MacLeRoy]

Hows that for depressing news? Guess I wont be sleeping easy tonight.

It seems a young girl was getting ready for a family trip to Disney World, even got her hair done. She was sitting outside of her Chicago home selling self-made lemonade and other sweet treats. That is until a seemingly random shootout happened in the area. Sad to say she was hit by a stray bullet and was killed almost immediately.

http://www.inquisitr.com/266763/chicago-7-year-old-girl-shot-dead-while-selling-lemonade/?obref=obinsite

This happened over a week ago according to the article but I haven't found any threads discussing this. Apologies if it's already been mentioned

Guess you didn't get the memo.

Shootings in Chicago are a regular thing. To say they are random, is just being 'ill-informed'

AKA Ignorant.

Besides that view you have already made prominent... do you have a thoughtful opinion on this matter? Or ya just going for the provocative post thingy?

I'm wondering the same thing here. Frankly its looking like the latter.

 

[Sheo_Dagana]

Damn, that's rough, condolences to the family, why was there a shootout there anyway. The police should really crack down on whatever is causing the violence there anyway (gangs or otherwise)

I am pretty sure the idea of 'cracking down' occurred to the police. It's Chicago, they're fighting a never ending battle against crime up there.