7 year old girl shot dead while selling some lemonade

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idarkphoenixi

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Sober Thal said:
idarkphoenixi said:
Hows that for depressing news? Guess I wont be sleeping easy tonight.

It seems a young girl was getting ready for a family trip to Disney World, even got her hair done. She was sitting outside of her Chicago home selling self-made lemonade and other sweet treats. That is until a seemingly random shootout happened in the area. Sad to say she was hit by a stray bullet and was killed almost immediately.

http://www.inquisitr.com/266763/chicago-7-year-old-girl-shot-dead-while-selling-lemonade/?obref=obinsite

This happened over a week ago according to the article but I haven't found any threads discussing this. Apologies if it's already been mentioned
Guess you didn't get the memo.

Shootings in Chicago are a regular thing. To say they are random, is just being 'ill-informed'

AKA Ignorant.

Besides that view you have already made prominent... do you have a thoughtful opinion on this matter? Or ya just going for the provocative post thingy?
No need to start name calling. I never claimed to be some kind of professional news anchor who knows intimate details on areas of a country I never intend to live in. It's a story I saw and thought I'd just show other people, simple as that. Guess that makes me ignorant though, oh well.
 

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zelda2fanboy said:
Cakes said:
DVS BSTrD said:
Heaven had asked to move out of the neighborhood where the family had lived for six months because of the violence there.Seriously those parents are fucking idiots for bringing their daughter to a place like that. Hope the lower rent was worth it assholes, cause now you've got plenty left over for her funeral arrangements!
If they were living in a place like that (i.e. an impoverished, crime-ridden neighbourhood) I seriously doubt they had much choice. Think before you make yourself look like an insensitive prick.
I was going to side with you and call troll bait, but.. think about it. No one has to live anywhere, at least not in this country. They couldn't have known their kid would get killed, their kid could have gotten killed anywhere, and their kid didn't deserve to die... but... saying they had no choice is a little short sighted. There's always choice all the time. I doubt they're going to continue living there now. I could be wrong, but I didn't think the west side of Chicago was the particularly shitty part. I thought it mostly sucked in the south and east sides of town.

Believe me, property is cheap as shit down here in the boondocks (an hour outside of Chicago). It's no picnic here either (there are quite a few shootings), but no little kids have gotten shot selling lemonade lately. It costs a lot of money to live near the city, even in the crap parts of town. If they lived there, it was probably because they wanted to live there.
Strain theory dude, how can you move to a better place when you don't have the economic means too? Unless one chooses to break law and/or opts for a lower standard of living.

Though you're right to an extent. If I wanted a house in this country for a couple thousand dollars I could. It would be in the poorest part of Detroit, but I certainly could do it.
 

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The south side of Chicago is not the worst section of the U.S. (the probably belongs to the unholy Flint, Detroit, Lansing combo in Michigan) but it is not a place you want to be in very long. Got a rock put threw my car while I was riding to a White Sox game. And that was in broad daylight.

This is sad, but not surprising.

Dirty Hipsters said:
Powereaver said:
Another sad story from the US involving guns... when will they learn? probably never :p
This was a couple of gangsters having a shoot out, and a little girl getting hit accidentally. I can absolutely guarantee you that none of the people in that shoot out had legally bought and licensed guns, and I can also guarantee you that no gun control laws would have prevented them from illegally buying them.
While true, it would have been harder to obtain them.
Flawed logic is flawed. It's not hard to obtain drugs, but those are illegal.

By the way, remember when it was illegal to own a handgun in the city of Chicago? Yeah, I don't think that prevented anyone's death then or now, but I'm sure it sent some people to prison. Because if there's one thing this country needs, it's more people in prison. And fines. Gotta have fines.
 

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While true, it would have been harder to obtain them.
Making more laws for them to break would have made it harder? lolwut

Know what they did after a school shooting in the U.S.? Made it illegal to carry guns on school property. Know what happened? Fuck all. Know why? People who want to kill people don't give a shit how many laws they are breaking. Go ahead, try your best to make it almost impossible to get a gun. The only ones affected will be the law abiding citizens--the ones not breaking the law in the first place.

Schools:
  • Illegal to carry guns
    Metal Detectors
    Security patting people down

    Number of fatalities from guns - a lot.

Gun conventions:
  • Legal to carry guns
    Lots of guns
    Lots of people buying guns

    Number of fatalities from guns - none.

Laws don't stop people from killing each other. You can make all the laws in the world and not a single thing will change. You need to change the culture and treat poverty if you want gun related killings to slow.

As an aside: the largest school massacre in U.S. history was carried out with a homemade bomb.
 

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You guys want to know the worst part?
Her first name was Heaven Heaven had asked to move out of the neighborhood where the family had lived for six months because of the violence there.Seriously those parents are fucking idiots for bringing their daughter to a place like that. Hope the lower rent was worth it, cause now you've got plenty left over TO PAY FOR HER FUNERAL!
The thing is, they probably couldn't AFFORD a better home, and the parents may not have been able to do anything about it.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
They had been living there for six months and if they had enough money to go to Disneyland they had enough money to move out of a neighborhood that their seven year old daughter knew was too dangerous. My family never had enough money for a trip to Disneyland but there are no gangs where I live. I can't really have much sympathy for parents who don't give the safety and welfare of their children the highest priority.

Capcha: Many happy returns
Now THAT's insensitive
Sorry to say it, but this man speaks the truth.

SaneAmongInsane said:
Strain theory dude, how can you move to a better place when you don't have the economic means too? Unless one chooses to break law and/or opts for a lower standard of living.

Though you're right to an extent. If I wanted a house in this country for a couple thousand dollars I could. It would be in the poorest part of Detroit, but I certainly could do it.
See above post. Like I said, Chicago is expensive. There are cheaper less shitty places to get to, and these people probably could have moved. It's not like Detroit where it's been crap for years and no one cares, so everything is cheap. Chicago's a relatively nice place that just so happens to have roving bands of killers.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
NameIsRobertPaulson said:
While true, it would have been harder to obtain them.
Making more laws for them to break would have made it harder? lolwut

Know what they did after a school shooting in the U.S.? Made it illegal to carry guns on school property. Know what happened? Fuck all. Know why? People who want to kill people don't give a shit how many laws they are breaking. Go ahead, try your best to make it almost impossible to get a gun. The only ones affected will be the law abiding citizens--the ones not breaking the law in the first place.

Schools:
  • Illegal to carry guns
    Metal Detectors
    Security patting people down

    Number of fatalities from guns - a lot.

Gun conventions:
  • Legal to carry guns
    Lots of guns
    Lots of people buying guns

    Number of fatalities from guns - none.

Laws don't stop people from killing each other. You can make all the laws in the world and not a single thing will change. You need to change the culture and treat poverty if you want gun related killings to slow.

As an aside: the largest school massacre in U.S. history was carried out with a homemade bomb.
No one being killed at gun shows isn't true.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-14/justice/massachusetts.gun.show.verdict_1_christopher-bizilj-westfield-sportsman-s-club-gun-show?_s=PM:CRIME

This is a ghastly thread.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
Laws don't stop people from killing each other. You can make all the laws in the world and not a single thing will change. You need to change the culture and treat poverty if you want gun related killings to slow.
Exactly! That's why we should guillotine them, charge people to see (victims families get in free), and reduce taxes slightly (for money earned and money saved on prison)!

Laws aren't a repellent, neither is twiddling your thumbs for 10 years. Death is a bigger consequence.

NOTE: I live in Canada so we don't execute people, I don't know how the U.S.'s system works but I know they do executions. I don't need to be educated too much either because I don't care enough.
 

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Clearing the Eye said:
Laws don't stop people from killing each other. You can make all the laws in the world and not a single thing will change. You need to change the culture and treat poverty if you want gun related killings to slow.
Exactly! That's why we should guillotine them, charge people to see (victims families get in free), and reduce taxes slightly (for money earned and money saved on prison)!

Laws aren't a repellent, neither is twiddling your thumbs for 10 years. Death is a bigger consequence.

NOTE: I live in Canada so we don't execute people, I don't know how the U.S.'s system works but I know they do executions. I don't need to be educated too much either because I don't care enough.
 

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I really really hope this doesnt turn into a gun control topic.....oh wait, too late. Well as previously stated, stricter laws regarding guns won't stop illegal guns from getting into criminal's hands.

My condolences to the family, friends, and acquaintances of all those who have been killed in the last few weeks. Whatever that's worth. It's tragic when these sorts of things happen, but it's not uncommon.
 

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zelda2fanboy said:
DVS BSTrD said:
They had been living there for six months and if they had enough money to go to Disneyland they had enough money to move out of a neighborhood that their seven year old daughter knew was too dangerous. My family never had enough money for a trip to Disneyland but there are no gangs where I live. I can't really have much sympathy for parents who don't give the safety and welfare of their children the highest priority.

Capcha: Many happy returns
Now THAT's insensitive
Sorry to say it, but this man speaks the truth.

SaneAmongInsane said:
Strain theory dude, how can you move to a better place when you don't have the economic means too? Unless one chooses to break law and/or opts for a lower standard of living.

Though you're right to an extent. If I wanted a house in this country for a couple thousand dollars I could. It would be in the poorest part of Detroit, but I certainly could do it.
See above post. Like I said, Chicago is expensive. There are cheaper less shitty places to get to, and these people probably could have moved. It's not like Detroit where it's been crap for years and no one cares, so everything is cheap. Chicago's a relatively nice place that just so happens to have roving bands of killers.
Still. One has to rent a u-haul truck, get cardboard boxes, tape, buy/rent a new location (while still paying for the current one), not to mention uprooting their location could very well be at the cost of a steady job... which in this economy is a commodity.

You're right to an extent but theres quite a bit of factors in play in making that choice. It's not quite as easy of a choice to make as... say, do I want to take a shower or a bath today? ya know?
 

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Witty Name Here said:
Biodeamon said:
As Cave Jhonson said:
"I don't want your damn lemons! the hell am i supposed to do with these!?"
That is so many levels of apathy for a human life, it's not even funny. A little girl died and you're just cracking jokes about it.

I may be a fan of edgy comedy but that was just wrong.

Anyways, my prayers will go out to the girl and her family.
Awe, come on, don't be so sour. There are better issues to make a stand on. Stop being such a child about all of this. ;D
 

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Darn. I was going to make some crack about her prices being too high.
But it had to be a stray bullet.

Oh well. I'll take my comedy gold elsewhere.
 

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Witty Name Here said:
Biodeamon said:
As Cave Jhonson said:
"I don't want your damn lemons! the hell am i supposed to do with these!?"
That is so many levels of apathy for a human life, it's not even funny. A little girl died and you're just cracking jokes about it.

I may be a fan of edgy comedy but that was just wrong.

Anyways, my prayers will go out to the girl and her family.
To be honest if I was shot and died horribly in some reasonless accident like this I'd much rather have people cracking jokes. I'd feel horrible if all my short life amounted to was a reason for lots of people to sigh and feel depressed for a brief moment before they forgot about it a few hours later.
 

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zelda2fanboy said:
Clearing the Eye said:
NameIsRobertPaulson said:
While true, it would have been harder to obtain them.
Making more laws for them to break would have made it harder? lolwut

Know what they did after a school shooting in the U.S.? Made it illegal to carry guns on school property. Know what happened? Fuck all. Know why? People who want to kill people don't give a shit how many laws they are breaking. Go ahead, try your best to make it almost impossible to get a gun. The only ones affected will be the law abiding citizens--the ones not breaking the law in the first place.

Schools:
  • Illegal to carry guns
    Metal Detectors
    Security patting people down

    Number of fatalities from guns - a lot.

Gun conventions:
  • Legal to carry guns
    Lots of guns
    Lots of people buying guns

    Number of fatalities from guns - none.

Laws don't stop people from killing each other. You can make all the laws in the world and not a single thing will change. You need to change the culture and treat poverty if you want gun related killings to slow.

As an aside: the largest school massacre in U.S. history was carried out with a homemade bomb.
No one being killed at gun shows isn't true.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-01-14/justice/massachusetts.gun.show.verdict_1_christopher-bizilj-westfield-sportsman-s-club-gun-show?_s=PM:CRIME

This is a ghastly thread.
Does that really count? The poster you quoted was about people shooting other people. That little boy clearly shot himself.

And on a side note, what the fuck is wrong with that DA? Why go after the gun show organizer when it was clear if anyone should be on trial it should be the person that loaded that Uzi and left it unattended?

Also, who the fuck was watching that kid?
 

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BreakfastMan said:
Witty Name Here said:
Biodeamon said:
As Cave Jhonson said:
"I don't want your damn lemons! the hell am i supposed to do with these!?"
That is so many levels of apathy for a human life, it's not even funny. A little girl died and you're just cracking jokes about it.

I may be a fan of edgy comedy but that was just wrong.

Anyways, my prayers will go out to the girl and her family.
Awe, come on, don't be so sour. There are better issues to make a stand on. Stop being such a child about all of this. ;D
You stop leading this thread astray, mister!
 

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And on a side note, what the fuck is wrong with that DA? Why go after the gun show organizer when it was clear if anyone should be on trial it should be the person that loaded that Uzi and left it unattended?

Also, who the fuck was watching that kid?
^ this. I love my guns, but if there is one thing you don't do, it's give an 8 year old an uzi. Seriously, I wouldnt trust anyone but my closest friends with a machine/submachine gun within 2 miles of me, let alone a little kid who probably doesnt have the strength to control the recoil.
 

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SaneAmongInsane said:
BreakfastMan said:
Witty Name Here said:
Biodeamon said:
As Cave Jhonson said:
"I don't want your damn lemons! the hell am i supposed to do with these!?"
That is so many levels of apathy for a human life, it's not even funny. A little girl died and you're just cracking jokes about it.

I may be a fan of edgy comedy but that was just wrong.

Anyways, my prayers will go out to the girl and her family.
Awe, come on, don't be so sour. There are better issues to make a stand on. Stop being such a child about all of this. ;D
You stop leading this thread astray, mister!
Hey, I am just trying to give my popularity on the forums a shot.