A few thoughts about January 6, 2021

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To an extent it doesn't matter if the Republican Party official membership withers away to nothingness, so long as business keeps funding it up the wazoo and enough of those ex-members keep voting for it. I mean, membership down 140,000 in the context of 75 million voting for it. :/

Except, arguably of course, the Party will increasingly be run by extremists who will find it much easier to dominate candidate selection. This might take a toll after a while. But then, it might also be that a load of those ex-members who now identify as Independent but carry on voting Republican are just as extreme, too.
I'm more than aware and I agree with you, but that's not the point I was making. I'm just showing the reason why and how these people did what they did. They're the ones that can actually think for themselves and realize that the Republican party, Q-anon, and Proud Boys don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. The reason why those people decided to leave.

Oh, and another reminder..




Twilight Zone is and was always ahead of the curb.
 
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Note also the sudden 180 on vaccines from most Republican leadership now that the Delta variant is tearing ass through the red states.
I know right? Almost like they might be terrified they gaslit their most vulnerable demographic into a massive death wave, during a time when people have very little patience for their bullshit anyway.
 

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And there you go again buying anything the Republican party says as fact and Truth. They're rarely honest or Honor Bound about anything. That ship sailed, crashed, and burned years ago. All they care about is false honor, looking good, and spreading misinformation. Constantly accusing others of being hypocrites yet act as if they're innocent, victims, or never did anything wrong. Nothing more than liars and schemers out for themselves. They don't care about me and they really don't care about you either.
Because of that, I've left the Republican party (they do not care about you, me, or this nation). I am unaffiliated at this time. Voting for POTUS by itself is not going to save us. We have to start getting active locally. The rules for electing a POTUS itself are governed by the laws of the individual states.

Yes, they are bound to appropriate action, involving investigation, and potentially prosecution. Pelosi has set up an investigation to see what happened on 6th January, including potential security failures. So this seems to me like an appropriate response.

I cannot help but point out that the Republican caucus in the Senate, led by Mitch McConnell who shares every bit as much as responsibility as Nancy Pelosi for Congressional security (yet, mystifyingly, is not under attack from the Republicans blaming Pelosi), voted down an independent commission. Kevin McCarthy, Republican House minority leader, then decided he did not want to take part in a House commission. Are you sure Pelosi is the one metaphorically saying "that's fine" here?

In a way, that McConnell thing really is a giveaway. If the leaders of the Senate and House have joint responsibility and they clearly seem to from I what I can read, please explain to me the logic of only blaming Pelosi.



It is at worse an exaggeration. Concentration camps were of course invented by the UK and also have been practised by the USA, for all that they are most famously associated with Nazi Germany. And even still, there is just no reasonable way to equate it with a call to action such as:

"We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore... So we're going to, we're going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue... And we're going to the Capitol..."

(Although of course what he meant by "We" was "You". He went back to the stupendous luxury of the White House in his luxury car and watched TV.)

Hadn't thought about the Mitch angle. Interesting.
We are lied to so much though, I have no expectation that Nancy Pelosi will engage in due diligence investigating her role in failing to call for greater security at the capital.
As for the Trump quote, can we agree saying, "fight like hell" in politics simply means to endeavor? It isn't an actual call to violence any more than calling extreme efforts to combat drugs a "war on drugs" is.
 
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Because of that, I've left the Republican party (they do not care about you, me, or this nation). I am unaffiliated at this time. Voting for POTUS by itself is not going to save us. We have to start getting active locally. The rules for electing a POTUS itself are governed by the laws of the individual states.
See, this I can agree with you on. All of it. I suspect it's in policy and the fine details where we would have... differences.
 

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Note also the sudden 180 on vaccines from most Republican leadership now that the Delta variant is tearing ass through the red states. The Repubs resort to dirty tricks because demographically they're having a harder time competing every year.
I think it's also worth noting that a lot of them got the taste of COVID-19 on their own skin. One of the major problems of socially conservative people (this applies to social conservatives everywhere in the world not just in the US) is selfishness and lack of ability to think far ahead, which is also reflected in their inability to consider that something is a problem until it happens to them personally. As soon as it does, they tend to change their tune, unless they're completely psychopathic like Trump. And it's not that being a conservative makes them that way, it's that people who think like that tend to be socially conservative 99 times out of 100.
 
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Because of that, I've left the Republican party (they do not care about you, me, or this nation). I am unaffiliated at this time. Voting for POTUS by itself is not going to save us. We have to start getting active locally. The rules for electing a POTUS itself are governed by the laws of the individual states.




Hadn't thought about the Mitch angle. Interesting.
We are lied to so much though, I have no expectation that Nancy Pelosi will engage in due diligence investigating her role in failing to call for greater security at the capital.
As for the Trump quote, can we agree saying, "fight like hell" in politics simply means to endeavor? It isn't an actual call to violence any more than calling extreme efforts to combat drugs a "war on drugs" is.
You may have left the Republican party, but it's in name only. You still carry their poisonous ideas. Like a kid holding on to their safety blanket or special toy that gives them comfort. To truly be free of them, stop spouting their bull crap. Their lies, their disinformation, their highly false accusations, and their quarter truths. Stop using and spouting all of it, if you wish to truly be independent or unaffiliated. Otherwise you're still with them, just without the name and pretending otherwise.
 
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I think it's also worth noting that a lot of them got the taste of COVID-19 on their own skin. One of the major problems of socially conservative people (this applies to social conservatives everywhere in the world not just in the US) is selfishness and lack of ability to think far ahead, which is also reflected in their inability to consider that something is a problem until it happens to them personally. As soon as it does, they tend to change their tune, unless they're completely psychopathic like Trump. And it's not that being a conservative makes them that way, it's that people who think like that tend to be socially conservative 99 times out of 100.
That's a problem with most type of conservatives and the Republican party, they won't care until a personally affects them or somebody they actually give a rat's ass about. That's why I despise them the most.
 

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This just goes to show how little you know about it. CRT is not that recent. It originated in the 70's and it is very well founded. The only recent thing about it is the fact that it is the latest boogyman that the right-wing media uses to scare its ignorant base with. Every couple of years they'll come up with something new to upset you. And lo and behold, you fell for another piece of their propaganda. Right on cue, as so many other right-wingers without critical thinking skills. It might have something to do with the fact that right-wing in the US is literally against critical thinking being taught: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...skills-really/2012/07/08/gJQAHNpFXW_blog.html

They like you best when you're ignorant and obedient. And here you are, attacking a legitimate theory that you know nothing about because people who know nothing about it told you that you should be against it.
I was in public school in the 1970s. We didn't call anyone that wouldn't drink the koolaid "white supremacists" back then. No one was telling me this country is "systemically racist" or other such malignant festering garbage.
We did learn about the evils of slavery, and how this nation's values ended the institution with violence and death.

Oy. Kinda off the 1/6 track here.
 

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You may have left the Republican party, but it's in name only. You still carry their poisonous ideas. Like a kid holding on to their safety blanket or special toy that gives them comfort. To truly be free of them, stop spouting their bull crap. Their lies, they're disinformation, they're highly false accusations, and their quarter truths. Stop using and spouting all of it, if you wish to truly be independent or unaffiliated. Otherwise you're still with them, just without the name and pretending otherwise.
A steady diet of right wing media doesn't help. It's impossible to self-determine your life and narrative when the media you consume does it for you.
 
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I was in public school in the 1970s. We didn't call anyone that wouldn't drink the koolaid "white supremacists" back then. No one was telling me this country is "systemically racist" or other such malignant festering garbage.
We did learn about the evils of slavery, and how this nation's values ended the institution with violence and death.
The theory originated in the 70's. Of course you didn't learn about it immediately. Jesus H. Christ, did I really have to explain this to you?
 
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I think it's also worth noting that a lot of them got the taste of COVID-19 on their own skin. One of the major problems of socially conservative people (this applies to social conservatives everywhere in the world not just in the US) is selfishness and lack of ability to think far ahead, which is also reflected in their inability to consider that something is a problem until it happens to them personally. As soon as it does, they tend to change their tune, unless they're completely psychopathic like Trump. And it's not that being a conservative makes them that way, it's that people who think like that tend to be socially conservative 99 times out of 100.
 

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The theory originated in the 70's. Of course you didn't learn about it immediately. Jesus H. Christ, did I really have to explain this to you?
What you have to explain is how, since 2016, anyone that wouldn't step into cattle cars to be taken to the "showers" is a "white supremacist" is not "new". Sure, there were a lot of socially destructive lunatics with crazy ideas dating back centuries. It is that the insane and evil ideas are now commonplace. That is what is new.
 

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You rarely ever do. That applies way more to you than, @Adam Jensen. How about taking a lesson and start doing actual citations yourself on a regular basis.
I cite sources frequently. Any time my text turns blue, you can click on it. I know I don't take up 8 ft of screen with webpage previews like some people, but that seems preferable.
 

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What you have to explain is how, since 2016, anyone that wouldn't step into cattle cars to be taken to the "showers" is a "white supremacist" is not "new".
No joke, what the hell does this mean? This doesn't work as a metaphor because I have no idea what is representing what in the equation.

It is that the insane and evil ideas are now commonplace. That is what is new.
Ideas like fascism? Or ideas like, "Trans people are people too?"
 
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I cite sources frequently. Any time my text turns blue, you can click on it. I know I don't take up 8 ft of screen with webpage previews like some people, but that seems preferable.
You don't do it enough compared to everyone else. You still goal post, ignore legit info or back up, try to add something that has nothing to do with anything, trying to make the abusers the actual victims, victim blaming, or try to see a gray area all of a sudden and say "both sides" are the problem. Not that different from the Trump supporters and the Republican party as a whole.
 

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I cite sources frequently.
No, you don't. And why would I? First of all it's not a debate. Second of all I don't give a shit what you think. And third, it's not like you'll change your mind. You never do. And I'm not here to try to make you change your mind. So why would I (or anybody else for that matter), go through trouble of pleasing someone who I think is incompetent to comprehend abstract ideas?
 
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And I stopped caring. You're invalid argument went into one ear, died a quarter way in from despair given by a psychotic Japanese high school girl with pink pig-tailed hair. Trying to live rent free inr my head and is currently getting kicked in the groin by a guy who constantly has his hands in his pocket. You know how that whole song and dance goes though.
 
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