A Flat Earth - Thoughts?

[jademunky]

The flat earth one is kinda unique in just how pointless it is. Like there is just no reason, if the earth were actually flat, the spooky global elites would actually bother covering it up. It would just be a normal thing.

The alien visitors conspiracy theory could be semi-justified with "well they want to prevent a panic" or something but with the flat earth we have an illuminati who just does it for the lulz.

 

[an annoyed writer]

Everyone knows the Earth isn't flat or round, it's concave and on the back of a giant tortoise.

And below that tortoise is another, and below that is another, and another... it?s Turtles, turtles all the way down.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I am by no means an expert in the maths, sciences and theories involved, but those aside, I find it impossible to believe that all of the countries with space programs, and each of the individuals involved in them, could collectively perpetuate a decades-old lie about the shape of the earth.

This statement by itself completely invalidates the whole flat Earth movement. It is fundamentally impossible for that for that many people to perpetuate that huge a lie. Also there lies the question of what is gained from doing so.
Anyway no, I have not had any personal experience with such moro- I mean flat Earthers.

 

[Hawki]

This statement by itself completely invalidates the whole flat Earth movement. It is fundamentally impossible for that for that many people to perpetuate that huge a lie. Also there lies the question of what is gained from doing so.
Anyway no, I have not had any personal experience with such moro- I mean flat Earthers.

Listen up you damn dirty Autobot - just because Cybertron is round, it doesn't mean Earth is.

You can't keep the truth from mankind forever!

 

[SckizoBoy]

Everyone knows the Earth isn't flat or round, it's concave and on the back of a giant tortoise.

And below that tortoise is another, and below that is another, and another... it?s Turtles, turtles all the way down.

What happened to the elephants?

 

[an annoyed writer]

Everyone knows the Earth isn't flat or round, it's concave and on the back of a giant tortoise.

And below that tortoise is another, and below that is another, and another... it?s Turtles, turtles all the way down.

What happened to the elephants?

They got cut in post-production because the CGI budget wasn?t big enough.

 

[Trunkage]

Everyone knows the Earth isn't flat or round, it's concave and on the back of a giant tortoise.

And below that tortoise is another, and below that is another, and another... it?s Turtles, turtles all the way down.

What happened to the elephants?

They got cut in post-production because the CGI budget wasn?t big enough.

I hope they didn't get rid of octorine too. THAT would be a crime against humanity.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Can you ask your friend what is on the underside of the earth if it's flat?

It's something I've always been fascinated by with regards to the flat earth movement, but have never gotten a straight answer.

 

[an annoyed writer]

Everyone knows the Earth isn't flat or round, it's concave and on the back of a giant tortoise.

And below that tortoise is another, and below that is another, and another... it?s Turtles, turtles all the way down.

What happened to the elephants?

They got cut in post-production because the CGI budget wasn?t big enough.

I hope they didn't get rid of octorine too. THAT would be a crime against humanity.

Sorry to disappoint you, but like the United States Central Intelligence Agency, the amount of crimes against humanity committed by the metaphysical construction of existence are endless.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Spoiler: obligatory

I love how this pic actually goes one step beyond. Earth is not a flat disc, it's a flat rectangle! Like a pizza box!

I mean, why else would maps of Earth be rectangular?

Everyone knows the Earth isn't flat or round, it's concave and on the back of a giant tortoise.

I'm sure the Great A'Tuin would appreciate this, assuming he/she(it?) can actually be bothered to.

 

[Kyrian007]

I can sympathize. I had always thought my brother was a fairly rational person. Turns out he believes in all the "chemtrails" nonsense. I thought he was joking too, but he's even poisoned his kids with that conspiracy crap. What make is hardest for me to believe... he BUILDS JETS for a living. He works for a company that sends aircraft parts to manufacturers across the world and builds entire airplane fuselages to send to Boeing.

That's stupidity on a level I really didn't think possible. I asked him, "so, you've installed the massive chemical tanks and hardpoint mounts for those massive chemical sprayers... right? You've seen where the sprayers go and the tanks that feed them chemicals to spray... right?" He did have to admit he had never seen such things. I asked him "You've never before seen condensation form around car exhaust on a particularly cold day... right? That's something that only happens when "whomever" is spraying chemicals... right?"

It doesn't matter. People would much rather believe they have some kind of "secret knowledge" than simply not look like a complete idiot.

 

[Basement Cat]

My Late father was in the aerospace industry. Back in the 80's he worked in Houston behind the scenes supporting the Space Shuttle stuff.

He mentioned--back then some 30 years or so ago--that the Flat Earth Society had many, many members whom were solid NASA scientists who enjoyed "Tongue-In-Cheek" ramblings about how the Earth was Flat.

That was then. This is now.

Simply put: Like many of the experienced Experts whom were practiced at mocking anti-Evolution arguments many of the Old School Experts who were casually capable of swatting down "Flat Earth" conspiracies are simply old and absent: Thus necessitating that a new generation of people dig up the old Facts and present them once again rather than rely upon: "Because the Experts 'Say So!!'".

The facts and the truths are there: We just have to dig them back up and present them to a new generation that has--since the mid 90's--been fed a solid distaste for science and facts i.e. Fox News, etc.

 

[Thaluikhain]

My Late father was in the aerospace industry. Back in the 80's he worked in Houston behind the scenes supporting the Space Shuttle stuff.

He mentioned--back then some 30 years or so ago--that the Flat Earth Society had many, many members whom were solid NASA scientists who enjoyed "Tongue-In-Cheek" ramblings about how the Earth was Flat.

That was then. This is now.

Simply put: Like many of the experienced Experts whom were practiced at mocking anti-Evolution arguments many of the Old School Experts who were casually capable of swatting down "Flat Earth" conspiracies are simply old and absent: Thus necessitating that a new generation of people dig up the old Facts and present them once again rather than rely upon: "Because the Experts 'Say So!!'".

The facts and the truths are there: We just have to dig them back up and present them to a new generation that has--since the mid 90's--been fed a solid distaste for science and facts i.e. Fox News, etc.

Er...I don't think you need to be an expert to convincingly argue that the world is round, nor that flat-earthers would change their position when presented with facts.

 

[Catfood220]

I have a 100% fool proof way of proving that the world is not flat. And that is, if the world was flat, we would know because there would be cats sat along the edge of the world, knocking things off into the void below.

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

I doubt a lot of these people actually believe that shit -- they just WANT to rebel against the system so badly and not be part of the establishment. They want to feel special, thinking they're onto some big secret. I can assure if they did by some miracle manage to convince the world that the Earth actually is flat, they'd feel the need to try and debunk that and claim it's really a sphere just for the sake of rebeling against the establishment.

So a blend of conspiracy nut and hipster? *shudder*

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Can we consider the world is flat if we consider non-Euclidean geometry as to be pointless in a hypothetical universe model where all points are one due to a hypothetical reality tear event that we might presuppose is inevitable and in a deterministic model of the universe if one were simply to exist outside it and yet could observe its dimensions would see but nothingness as a result given it transcends certainty and a universe where all possible potential is already spent and has achieved infinite mass and exists outside of spatiotemporal dimensions?

I mean a reality tear effect is a hypothetical end of universe event in science ... and if you were to somehow observe our universe outside itself spacve and time are meaningless and would be perceived as either a solid blob of everything and all potential across all hypothetical change over time, or you would see nothing as matter disintegrates at a fundamental level due to catastrophic acceleration and infinite mass.

Therefore, the world is flat, surely?

If we assume that hard determinism is a thing then to observe another universe somehow outside itself is to assume a solid mass of all hypothetical potential of all hypothetical things, and thus someone outside our universe would hypothetically think our universe and everything in it is flat...

 

[BrawlMan]

Everyone knows the Earth isn't flat or round, it's concave and on the back of a giant tortoise.

Stephen King reference!

I'm glad I never had met a flat earther, otherwise I would have to punch him or her in the face for such stupidity. Here's an idea: how about we gather all the flat-earthers and send them in a rocket straight to the Sun. and then they'll get to see if the Earth is flat or not from there.

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

Everyone knows the Earth isn't flat or round, it's concave and on the back of a giant tortoise.

Stephen King reference!

Sir Terry Pratchett, you uncultured swine!

If I were a sophisticated posh British monkey, I'd be throwing crumpets and crickets bats at you right now. Alas, I am not, so it'll only be faeces.

 

[Xprimentyl]

There are a couple of questions that I would ask them, one being what exactly was the first thing that made them seriously consider the theory for realsies...the initiator of change perhaps. And second; are they a form of fundamentalist Christian? Because it seems like an easy and efficient way of justification for keeping hold of that belief without the pesky worries of scientific research prodding those doubt glands all the time.

Yes, a common theme among them is that the massive ?round earth? lie is hiding God; the earth is flat and under a dome deemed ?The Firmament? which contains the sun and the moon which both rotate a couple thousand miles above our stationary disc. As an agnostic, I?m perfectly fine with people believing whatever they want about their version or idea of ?God,? but Flat Earthers just? just? the sheer ?better than thou? smugness with which they proudly display their incomprehensible ignorance demands addressing. I am by no means prone to violence, but hearing some of them speak stirs an instinct to strangle inside of me.

Spoiler: obligatory

The idea that 'everyone is in on a grand lie' can be intoxicating. Why the fact the Earth is actually flat turned into a popular conspiracy theory will always baffle me.

On the short list of statements that merit a direct, honest and uncensored ?are you FUCKING kidding me??, a snide ?the earth is flat? is in the top 3 to be sure. Of all things upon which a truly probable conspiracy might possibly be built, a flat earth?!? I mean, if you?re going to be a nut case, ya gotta get in line behind the ?tooth fillings are transmitting our thoughts to an alien mothership? and ?the fluoride in tap water is sterilizing our grandmothers? people; dropping in through the skylight doesn?t get you anywhere.

I doubt a lot of these people actually believe that shit -- they just WANT to rebel against the system so badly and not be part of the establishment. They want to feel special, thinking they're onto some big secret. I can assure if they did by some miracle manage to convince the world that the Earth actually is flat, they'd feel the need to try and debunk that and claim it's really a sphere just for the sake of rebeling against the establishment.

I?ve thought about this, the human desire to be different, exceptional, ?in? on something grander than ourselves, to know something others don?t, to be the informer, but a flat earth is such a ridiculous idea, it?s disturbing to think that adults, actual grown, human beings that can drive cars and buy guns, would willingly prescribe to it? and talk about it openly!! Like, to other people!! That is some weapons-grade stupidity; they really should keep it to themselves until they have irrefutable proof. And by ?irrefutable?, I mean a selfie taken and signed by the Risen Christ with our pizza planet in the background notarized by God himself delivered by a burning bushing from the inside of the belly of a whale that?s floating on an ark containing two of every animal at the bottom of a lions? den.

Beyond that, I've never had a satisfactory response to the pendulum problem, or an explanation as to why they can't just launch a camera in a weather balloon and demonstrate it (something I've done for a little less than $200).

Many claim they actually have launched such devices and have had their suspicious confirmed. Most, however, for all they claim to know, have no concept of just how big the earth is and that curvature may not be clearly evident at heights attainable by your average Joe NutJob. One of my favorite arguments they have is that if satellites are real and there are hundreds of them orbiting the earth, why don?t we see them in pictures of the earth? Well, the largest, man-made body orbiting our planet is the International Space Station, and its largest dimension is roughly 350 feet; the earth is 8,000 miles in diameter. I challenge anyone to see, let alone identify, any specific 350 foot-long body in a span of 42 MILLION feet from over a MILLION feet away. IDIOTS!! It wouldn?t be so frustrating if their nonsense wasn?t so easily debunked with common fucking sense!

Can you ask your friend what is on the underside of the earth if it's flat?

It's something I've always been fascinated by with regards to the flat earth movement, but have never gotten a straight answer.

Good luck getting ANY straight answers from that lot; they?re too busy shooting us condescending, knowing looks and lamenting our lack of awareness to give us answers we?re too brainwashed to understand.

I can sympathize. I had always thought my brother was a fairly rational person. Turns out he believes in all the "chemtrails" nonsense. I thought he was joking too, but he's even poisoned his kids with that conspiracy crap. What make is hardest for me to believe... he BUILDS JETS for a living. He works for a company that sends aircraft parts to manufacturers across the world and builds entire airplane fuselages to send to Boeing.

That's stupidity on a level I really didn't think possible. I asked him, "so, you've installed the massive chemical tanks and hardpoint mounts for those massive chemical sprayers... right? You've seen where the sprayers go and the tanks that feed them chemicals to spray... right?" He did have to admit he had never seen such things. I asked him "You've never before seen condensation form around car exhaust on a particularly cold day... right? That's something that only happens when "whomever" is spraying chemicals... right?"

It doesn't matter. People would much rather believe they have some kind of "secret knowledge" than simply not look like a complete idiot.

That?s incredible, he believes in and propagates a conspiracy surrounding something he?s actively involved with, and in the same breath, admits he has no evidence? We?re all doomed, either he and other conspiracy theorists are right and the world?s governments are plotting against all 7 billion of us, or the more likely, we?ll continue breeding more and more people that will believe anything, even nonsense they make up on their own without any evidence, and we sensible few will become so as the scales of reason dip out of our favor, and the reasonable become the conspiracy theorists?