A Flat Earth - Thoughts?
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Its actually a really unique perspective, that we know as human history, WW2, the Crusades, Colonization of the new world, fall of the Roman Empire, Peloponesian war, etc...all of it happened, but millions of years ago and the controlling powers of the Earth have kept most of humanity in the dark about the real future and year.CaitSeith said:
Like a mix of the Matrix and Truman Show
If it had TRULY been such a reference, there would have been mention of the 4 elephants you uncultured ape-impostor! Now get thee back to your librarian's internship!Chimpzy said:
Flat Earthers propagate over the internet, however. I mean, the speed by which propaganda works is partly based on the speed of circulation of misinformation. It's easier to propagate misinformation than it is empirically tested ideas.bluegate said:
That being said, Flat Earth seems uniquely dumb. There's places even on land like in Australia where everything is so 'flat' you can actually see the curvature of the Earth with the naked eye with passing traffic like trains and a half decent sand dune. In the middle of the Indian Ocean as well on a ship and observing other large vessels...
Also with sunrises and sunsets at sea level or observational points of reference moving away or towards you. Like seeing cliffs or perhaps mountains before beaches depending on where you're going.
I mean it's subtle AF but it's nakedly observable. There is the argument that references Homer made in the Illiad and the Odyssey refer to this fact, so I find it hard to believe any Greek mariner even so far back as Homer could believe Earth was flat. Even if they lacked the scientific method and the educational basis to formulate and articulate the argument properly, it's hard to believe they didn't make the connection to a curvature of the Earth simply by watching ships leave ports or by themselves being on said ships and watching the beaches and ports disappear from sight before cliffs did.
If you're on the deck of a trireme ... let's say a good 10m above sea level looking at something 2-5m above sea level, you can see it roughly 5.8km away ... but if you're 20 metres above sea level you can see 14.3km away something at 2-5m above sea level. I also remember being trained something similar during my fieldcraft and orienteering exercises in the Australian Army but everything prior the TBI is kind of a haze.
So people must have worked out the maths on that at some point the Earth was round in some way just by Greeks being on boats.
Have they never been on a plane? Cannot we all pitch in towards a nice overseas holiday for these poor confused souls?
Yeah, but those plane windows aren't real windows mate, they are special 3-dimensional OLED screens that run a video to fool the people inside the plane. You'd be surprised how much money and effort is going into keeping the people dumb and thinking that the earth is round, the lie must be uphold!Majestic Manatee said:
Then an opening of the plane doors and a surprise skydiving holiday should extinguish those preconceptions. I refuse to give up on these poor misled souls yet!bluegate said:
Sorta. A while back I tried this myself, and at least with my vision, smaller vessels disappear in the horizon before they disappear under the horizon.Addendum_Forthcoming said:
However, if you were on a ship going towards a mountain, really big lighthouse, or the Colossus of Rhodes, you'd see the top before the bottom. There's a WW2 era(ish) training film made by the Americans about how to use lighthouses, you have to look up the power of the lighthouse in a big book and it's height above sea level and compare it to your height above sea level and work out how far away you can see it.
So Columbus sailing to the Americas proved the Earth was round...on the very first day of the voyage.
You know how sky divers always wear goggles to protect themselves from the wind and small animals flying in them? That's not their only purpose.Majestic Manatee said:
Current VR tech is actually based on leaked government documents in the 60's. Not only have our minds been kept dumb by the government, they have been holding back technology as well. Advancements are usually due to government leaks getting out.
Hey, we Autobots have seen your planet from space. We know what shape it is. It's a cube.Hawki said:
Your friend believes in Earth? PFFFFT, poseur, everyone knows we live in a simultion! How else do you explain the dead pixels in the "sky" and the dude who respawned in 3 days?
Anyway, kidding aside, I'm sorry to hear you know someone who went full flat-earther. It's crazy that we have so much information, videos showing the curvature of the planet, etc, and people still actually believe in a flat earth to such a degree.
On my end, it's comforting that the conspiracy theorist nutjob I used to know didn't go that far.
This was a man who was full 9/11 truther ("It was a coverup to hide wall street fraud, and get us into endless war!"), who is full on Illuminati-control-everything, that the illuminati use hollywood to make us subliminally believe in the end of the world so we submit to them, and thinks the pope controls ALL the world governments, that the catholic church literally worships lucifer, that vaccines are secretly a eugenics program designed by bill gates to kill black people, and unquestioningly shared articles from a site that said AIDS medicine CAUSES AIDS, etc.
And even he was like "Yeah flat earthers are freakin' stupid, we have way too much video proof that it's round."
Then again, he's also terribad with allegory and metaphor. He legit didn't get the central twist of the Lego Movie and was like "waaaaaaaat reaaaaally?" when I explained it to him. XD
Anyway, kidding aside, I'm sorry to hear you know someone who went full flat-earther. It's crazy that we have so much information, videos showing the curvature of the planet, etc, and people still actually believe in a flat earth to such a degree.
On my end, it's comforting that the conspiracy theorist nutjob I used to know didn't go that far.
This was a man who was full 9/11 truther ("It was a coverup to hide wall street fraud, and get us into endless war!"), who is full on Illuminati-control-everything, that the illuminati use hollywood to make us subliminally believe in the end of the world so we submit to them, and thinks the pope controls ALL the world governments, that the catholic church literally worships lucifer, that vaccines are secretly a eugenics program designed by bill gates to kill black people, and unquestioningly shared articles from a site that said AIDS medicine CAUSES AIDS, etc.
And even he was like "Yeah flat earthers are freakin' stupid, we have way too much video proof that it's round."
Then again, he's also terribad with allegory and metaphor. He legit didn't get the central twist of the Lego Movie and was like "waaaaaaaat reaaaaally?" when I explained it to him. XD
This kind of condescension is exactly the reason these Flat Earthers are what they are, don't be like them. Education, intelligence, whatever, it doesn't matter. The entire planet could have the best education the human race could ever possibly have and we'd still have just as many of these Flat Earthers around as we do now, possibly more. These people want to believe something particularly if in their minds it gives them license to be condescending toward everybody else. People who WANT to believe something will believe that thing contrary to any and all evidence and common sense.bluegate said:
Flat Earthers, those who genuinely believe it and aren't just screwing with people for the lulz anyway, are deluding themselves for any number of reasons, none of which because they actually want know and present the truth. It's the same with all conspiracy theorists and their theories, always has been and always will be. If there wasn't the Flat Earth conspiracy these people would just latch onto something else. If there wasn't a single conspiracy theory in existence they'd make one up on the spot, believe it as genuinely as if they had just jumped in a lake and declared water is wet, and then proceed to preach it to anybody who would listen. Flat Earthers are not stupid, they're delusional, no amount of education will make somebody who is delusional think anything contrary to their delusion is true.
As someone who finds the Lego Movie overrated, but also who doesn't want to be on the same level as a Flat Earther...aegix drakan said:
"So, the central twist is that almost everything that's happening in the film is the kid playing through a made up narrative. The Lego pieces appear to have some intelligence (e.g. when Emett enters the real world), but for the most part, the kid's controlling their actions. By extension, the narrative he creates is emblematic of his issues in the real world, with Lord Business being his father, and his plan with the Kraggle representing his father's insistence on keeping everything neat and tidy, and not allowing embracement of more chaotic creativity. Likewise, the moral of the story is that both sides are ultimately needed in life - there's those that follow the rules, and those who go down their own path, and both approach has its pros and cons, and to achieve the best possible outcomes in life, you need to accomodate both types of people and have mutual respect."
So...did I get it? I'm hoping the answer is yes, because if it isn't, I may not have the mental clout to finally expose the Lizard People.
The conspiracy theories that bug the crap out of me are the ones we have the capacity to test and debunk. It might be hard to do any sort of experiment to verify that vaccines doin't cause autism (though that one bugs me because it's a public safety issue), but we can generate a model base don simple observations and predictions without extraordinary means.
People who have the capacity to test their claims and do not are likely beyond help.
I'm also still not sure why people would keep this secret going. I'm not sure who it benefits to keep people believing in a globe if it's false.
People who have the capacity to test their claims and do not are likely beyond help.
I'm also still not sure why people would keep this secret going. I'm not sure who it benefits to keep people believing in a globe if it's false.
Also, that. Kitties would knock things over and feed the turtles.Catfood220 said: