A (hopefully) mature discussion: Is it really okay to hate smokers?

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Devil's Due

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They cause other people to get sometimes dangerous amounts of second-hand smoke should they be careless, some (not all) try it to be "cool," and once my ex of a hell of a long time was influenced by a smoker at a party where he took advantage of her, and also forced her to start smoking too, which she became addicted to and now is probably off smoking even to this day, rotting her body.

So do I have smokers? Sure do. Is it fair for me to do so? Sure, why not? I'm biased, and I believe I have perfectly damn justifiable reasons. Besides, I couldn't care if people hated me since I'm a non-smoker! Their opinions, and it doesn't bother me. I just smile, call them an idiot, and move on with my life.

Apologies if this came off harsh, but this subject is fairly touchy for me, and this thread asked for it, literally.
 

VaudevillianVeteran

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Nearly everyone under the age of 20 in my family smokes, I grew up with my parents smoking around me and it's more of a bad habit than anything. Of course I grew to hate the smell and at times I badly worry for my parents and loved one's health, but at the same time it's not my choice to stop them, even though I've been concerned since I was young.

I treat smokers no different than I do other people. Of course no one should have to smell their smoke, or those obnxious smokers who don't care where they are just so long as they can have a drag. But otherwise, it's just a habit that they need to deal with and shouldn't get hassled because of it, let alone hated.
 

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LegendaryGamer0 said:
(Pedophile and Child Molester are not interchangeable)
I genuinely did not know that, I had to turn safe search onto strict and then use google to a pdf on the useage on the terms!

OT- I smoke maybe 4/5 cigars a year, normally in summer walking the dog. I'm outside so don't particularly care about second hand smoke.

The coughing at smokers by self righteous people I have never seen in the UK, but seems incredibly dumb. Would those people complain if someone more intelligent then them shouted 'derp a derp' when they walked past? Or someone richer wafted a wad of cash infront of them then laughed and walked off?
 

The Long Road

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As modern healthcare drifts away from a pay-your-own-damn-bills system to more of a shared burden, I think society at large has more and more reason to hate smokers. Not only are there the obvious links between smoking and many, many types of cancer, but there are secondary effects, all of which put added strain on the healthcare system. That's hardly excusable when there isn't a massive debate about healthcare; using medical resources on people whose conditions are the result of a personal choice seems like a disgusting waste to me. Now that there are people frothing at the mouth for/against Obamacare and other health reforms, though, it becomes even harder to justify. If I ever find out that a vital medical procedure needed for myself, my family, or my friends was delayed to treat a smoker, I will make someone pay.

Refocusing to a rebuttal of posts from earlier: Why is saying "I need to smoke to make it through my day" a legitimate excuse? I lead a stressful life, yet I don't smoke. Millions of people have stressful lives and don't smoke. There are, in fact, other ways of getting through a day. I exercise, play videogames, and talk with or text friends. The worst side effect from any of those is a couple sedentary hours while gaming. If a chemical supplement is absolutely necessary (hint: if it is, it's your fault anyway), drink coffee. Or energy drinks. Or protein shakes. Or Gatorade. The choices go on and on and on.

With all the consequences of, alternatives to, and resources to quit smoking, it's damn near inexcusable to smoke anymore. I can't think of a good reason. If you can, throw it out there. Good luck justifying it.
 

Beliyal

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I don't smoke and I don't hate smokers. Most of my friends are smokers, my mom is a smoker, I can't ever go anywhere with any group of friends without bumping into a smoker.

1. I asked myself a lot of times "Why do they smoke?" Specifically, what makes you continue smoking if your first time will, inevitably, be awful? Or is there a possibility that your first smoke will feel awesome and you won't cough and choke? I don't know, I never tried, but the depiction of "your first time" with a cigarette is always coughing, choking, feeling bad and awful. Why continue? I am just curious, as none of my friends actually managed to answer that question. I know that some people start because they think it will be "cool", some of them even told me so. It's unfair to apply that opinion to all smokers, because it will not be true for all of them. But why do people try to smoke? It baffles me; it's bad for your health, it's bad for the health of people around you, it's expensive, your first time will most probably be a terrible experience... What is the motivation then? There are other "bad habits" that are less expensive and less damaging to your health (and health of others) that you could indulge in.
2. I am not sure why, but I have an extreme reaction to smoke. Whenever smoke gets into my nose, I tend to start choking, I can't breathe and after 20 minutes or so, I even get headaches and my entire nose hurts like hell. I can smell smoke in another room, or tens of metres away from a smoker. Walking behind or next to a smoker seems like torture and I have to get away as soon as possible; going into a bar is my biggest nightmare because of all the smoke. I have to cover my face with a scarf and get out for fresh air every now and then, otherwise I might end up having terrible headaches. Even when somebody smokes outside, and I'm near, I have to get as far away as possible in order no to experience these problems. This has been present in my life for as long as I can remember. My mom always thought I am just exaggerating, but I could tell if she smoked in a living room, hours after she did it. My friends all know this, but they still won't sustain from smoking 5 to 10 cigarettes in one sitting in a bar. They can't. It's an addiction and I can't make them do it, they simply cannot sustain from smoking. Some of them even laugh if I put a scarf over my face and ask "It bothers you? Why?" and when I say that I don't know (I don't have asthma, or any other illness of the respiratory system), they just shrug it off and continue like nothing happened. However, I still don't hate smokers. I hate the fact that, even though I chose not to smoke because it causes me problems (I never even considered smoking, as I have better things to do with my money), I still can't get away from it. While the states are trying to put some laws against smoking in closed areas, it never really works in my country. In the same time, the state is encouraging the cigarette industry; how is that correlating with the bans? I am not against smoking per se; it has been present in human civilization since the beginning of time. But, as in everything, we are crossing the line between normal enjoyment of a "bad habit" and something that is becoming a huge nuisance and is causing serious health issues for everyone, not just smokers (because, passive smoking is just as bad). It has become excessive, immoderate. They do not smoke only to spice up their coffee breaks. They smoke for everything; both when they're nervous and happy, when they're sad and excited, when they are bored or busy, before lunch, after lunch, before dinner, after dinner and so on. And I don't hate them for doing it; I pity them. It seems like a horrible existence; always wondering whether you took your cigarettes, your lighter, where did you put them, did you buy a reserve, will you have enough time to smoke during a break at work or in school, when is the bus going to stop for a cigarette pause... It occupies their time and thinking. Maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but I've seen those obsessive smokers shaking in a bus during an excursion because we weren't anywhere near the place to stop and people obsessing about leaving cigarettes at home. My mom could go back all the way from work to go home if she left the cigarettes there. Why impose such a thing on yourself? It feels like a prison, where you constantly need to worry about your addiction. Is it really worth it, especially if we count in the expenses to your wallet and your health?

Lastly (finally :p), your questions:

- I think we should treat smokers with respect, like any other person, but advise them to think about what they're doing and to at least try to smoke less during a day. No need to stop over night, but smoke 5 cigarettes a day, not 25. Also, the reason why we "hate" people who smoke only because they smoke, is because it occupies them so much that it becomes their defining characteristic. When you remember someone only with the cigarette in their hands or them stressing over not having any cigarettes left, their addiction kinda defines them and becomes their "stereotype", so we hate the person because of the smoking, and ignore their other qualities (because they don't show other qualities, or they are blocked by their addiction).
- I treat smokers as I would treat any other person, but I do notify them about my problems with smoke. Some of them are considerate and try, hard, to make the smoke bother me as little as possible, but some are so oblivious that they wouldn't react even if I end up choking on the floor. But that is because of the personality, not because they smoke. Still, I'd be more than happy to walk into a bar and leave it without feeling nauseated and without a headache, or to go to a park, wait for a bus or just generally walk the street without trying to avoid the patches of smoke. Breathing in the fresh air after I accidentally breathe in smoke, feels almost like a divine experience and I don't think it should :/ I just don't see how smoking benefits anyone in this world, but I am willing to let it slide, if only it was less excessive and less bothersome. I believe any non-smoker would appreciate if you only smoke 1 cigarette less than usual while you're next to us :)

Sorry for the tl;dr.
 

C95J

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I don't "hate" smokers, it depends on the person. But I think, honestly, it is okay to hate them.

Just because they can harm other peoples health, and "pollute the air" I guess you could say. Hell, it seems like lots of people on this site hate fat people, and they don't even do anything wrong to hurt you! So if anyone gives me grief for this I will just laugh it off.

I am not saying you can't smoke, go ahead if you want to, I am just saying that it is okay to hate them. I know people who smoke, I have a couple of friends who smoke, and I hate their habit, but they are still my friends, I just tend to keep my distance a bit more. The smell is awful.
 

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I don't hate smokers, you're free to breathe in toxins if you want. I just dislike the ones that don't respect others, smoking in the middle of a crowded bus stop (I see this 3-4 times a week) or ignore No Smoking signs. Smoke all you want, just don't make me have to breathe it in too.
 

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LegendaryGamer0 said:
Kpt._Rob said:
So let me pose a question: How many groups of people can you think of who it is societally acceptable to describe as "disgusting?" Pedophiles?
*snip*
Um... as a non-offending one(the majority), I kind of take offense to that OP. Especially since you lump us in with Serial Killers and Rapists. Can you please change that? You don't have to, but it would be nice. Preferably to Child Molesters.(Pedophile and Child Molester are not interchangeable) EDIT: Thank you, OP.

OT: As kindly as you would treat anyone else. I treat them with respect, though I ask them to not smoke around me as it gives me a headache. (Responding to the TL;DR, but I read the whole thing)
Wabblefish said:
I dislike people who started smoking around the year 2000-2004 cause by then most people should have realized that smoking is mostly full of negatives and very little positives, not to mention they can be harmful to the people around them (more than people realize too, people lose years of their later lives without knowing it when they second hand smoke)

I don't dislike them for not breaking the addiction though cause I do believe smoking is a hard addiction to break.
LegendaryGamer0 said:
Kpt._Rob said:
So let me pose a question: How many groups of people can you think of who it is societally acceptable to describe as "disgusting?" Pedophiles?

*snip*
Um... as a non-offending one(the majority), I kind of take offense to that OP. Especially since you lump us in with Serial Killers and Rapists. Can you please change that? You don't have to, but it would be nice.
I reckon they need new names or something cause people keep forgetting that pedophile doesn't equal someone who rapes or abducts children (pedophile is defined as someone aroused/interested in children last I remember)
Also, children are people under 18 years.

OT: Kinda But Tanks are way worse.
 

Hashime

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I have a rational reason for disliking smokers, their habit makes my taxes increase and makes my bronchial tubes into straws.
 

Nannernade

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Well the way I treat my mom and stepdad whenever they start to light up a cigarette in the car I pull my shirt over my nose as a way of ventilating I guess you could say. Sort of a silent message. I'm not a fan of smokers, but they do have their rights to smoke. Basically I treat them how I treat other people of religious faiths and that is, as long as you don't try to convert me and with smokers replace convert with blow smoke in my face I guess IDK, then we're cool.
 

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Jaqen Hghar said:
Just putting this out here: Smoking does not relieve stress at all. The only stress it relieves are the stress you feel when you are craving a cigarette because you are addicted to it.
One of the sources here. [http://www.instah.com/quit-smoking/does-smoking-relieve-stress/]
You are wrong. The article states quite plainly that it is possible to receive a "high" if you are not addicted, and/or do not have a daily habit. I achieve this effect almost every, single time I inhale tobacco smoke, simply by not doing it every bloody day or week.
 

Lucifron

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meowchef said:
Yes. Public smokers don't care about other people.

And they stink.
Bullshit. I have never smoked where anyone else is, or can rightfully be, bothered by any cigarette I have smoked publicly.
 

Athinira

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I don't mind and i don't care.

Personally i think the discussion about passive smoking being harmful to non-smokers is overrated. The amount of smoke you inhale as a non-smoker compared to a smoker is INSIGNIFICANT.

I also finds laws the prohibit indoor-smoking to be intrusive. If anything, laws should make it mandatory for restaurants/bars etc. to have their smoking policy (non-smoking, smoking, got smoke-areas/rooms etc.) clearly on display, but laws shouldn't dictate whether or not it's illegal to smoke in some areas, companies should be able to dictate the rules themself. It's all a part of the wave of political correctness that seems to have plauged the world for the last decade, and putting it frankly: I HATE political correctness.

And no, i don't smoke and never have.
 

teh_gunslinger

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What I find amusing is, that now that it's more and more common that we are not allowed to smoke indoors at private parties one of two things tend to happen:

1. some people, me included, tend not to go as it can be a bother with peoples high and mighty attitudes. They seem to find it socially acceptable to rag on people for smoking. That is especially amusing in light of the second thing I see happening.

2. as the night goes on we who smoke step outside to do out filthy business. That's fine. What is amusing is that often half the non smokers will follow us out and hang around and chat. It seems we are good chatting to for ten minutes while relaxing a bit. This often result in the party being broken in two. The boring health fascists who remain at the table and most of the smokers who end up spending most of the time outside talking with each other and whoever pops by. The number of times I've had a non smoker tell me that smokers are just more fun to be with is huge.

It's then a little annoying to have some people ***** and moan that we are ruining the party by spending hours on the porch. Well, tough shit, we didn't chose to do so.

It's a good thing that obnoxious self righteousness isn't toxic. If it was this thread would need a health warning.

Besides, asking for a light or bumming a ciggie is a great conversation starter. I have a few friends I've only met because we were forced outside. So it's not all bad.

Oh, and here in Denmark people are moaning about how it is a bother that we now stand outsides the bars and smoke. Well, all I can say is: that was your own damn fault people. You sent us here. Oh, and hilariously: the clubs now mostly smell of sweat, farts and stale beer. Turns out the smoke covered a lot of nasty fumes.
 

saruman31

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elbrandino said:
I think it's fine to hate smokers. I mean, we hate drug addicts and alcoholics for doing what they do. What's the difference? The smoke gives me borderline migraine headaches. On top of that, they're addicting. I don't smoke, but my parents used to and can't stay off cigarettes for more than a few moths at a time. Not to mention that smell that goes along with smoking. My girlfriend's grandfather was recently diagnosed with terminal lung cancer and has 6-8 months. He doesn't smoke, but his wife and their son smoke. In the house. Essentially, they're killing him. So yeah I think it's ok to hate smokers.
What`s the difference? The difference is that a smoker wont steal from your car or from your house to feed that addiction. A smoker won`t beat his wife and kids and be hostile all around when he had more than a couple of cigarettes. If you ask a smoker to stop smoking in your face(if they don`t do it on purpose) he will most likely stop.
 

Irony's Acolyte

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Ugh I hate smokers. Leaving their smoke everywhere, coughing all the time. And they can be so annoying. You'll just be walking along and all of a sudden, BAM!, a smokers pulling you away with one of their disgustingly long tongues. They'll drag you all over the place, which is really a *****. And they usually hide up on hard to reach areas, so a shotgun won't work all that well to get rid of them.

OT: I have no problem with smokers in general. It's a bit easier for a smoker to get annoying due to the smoke they'll release, but if they're considerate about it they'll avoid making it too annoying. In which case I won't have a problem with 'em.

As for smoking in general, although I would rather not smoke due to some of its effects on the body after prolonged use and its addictive properties, I have no problem with others smoking. So long as their considerate about it and don't get annoying, then whatever, you can do what you want.
 

debramster123

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i'm only 15 and i smoke maybe just a pack a week
still i don't like the way we are treated here because we can't smoke in bars anymore D:
 

Goody

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I have no problems with people smoking as it is their own health it is an issue for, however I do hate when they blow it my face or smoke in a confined environment as it no longer only their health they are affecting.

I also hate the chavs (mentally deficient people who also wear tracksuits and start fights for no reason) that live very close to my street as when they ask for a cigarette or lighter and I say I don't have either, then they ask why not, so I say because I don't smoke, which prompts them to start calling me a freak.