A music genre you think isn't good right now, but can be.

[BeeGeenie]

I once heard a rap song with a really sweet classical guitar in the background.
I didn't think "Wow, this really improves the genre of rap!"
I thought "Man, what a waste of a really good guitarist"

 

[BeeGeenie]

The worst offender in my books is Nicki Minaj. Here's hoping she becomes obsolete very soon.

really? I disagree...a female rapper hitting the mainstream I don;t think is a bad thing

but that said she does tend to do alot of pop...personally I think shes not so bad when shes actually rapping

No.
Nicki Minaj is bad.
A female rapper hitting the mainstream could in theory be a good thing... but not when it's Nicki Minaj.

Saying Nicki Minaj is not so bad is like saying the world is not so round.

 

[Guffe]

I am not too much into rap but a friend of mine is, and some of the 90s, I think it's east coast (you know with snoop dogg, dr. dre, NWA and so on), is pretty good, difference to today? They actually made songs about real problems in their neighbourhoods and how society thought about them and they couldn't do shit about it. Not like today where everyone raps about bitches and money and how big their boat is.

Spoiler: I am a MetalHead, but this is good!

 

[Boggelz]

Rap isn't too horrible of a genre but it should be taken a bit more seriously, rather than the hoes and money kind of rap.

This one is really great and deep too in my opinion at least.
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[Launcelot111]

The worst offender in my books is Nicki Minaj. Here's hoping she becomes obsolete very soon.

really? I disagree...a female rapper hitting the mainstream I don;t think is a bad thing

but that said she does tend to do alot of pop...personally I think shes not so bad when shes actually rapping

No.
Nicki Minaj is bad.
A female rapper hitting the mainstream could in theory be a good thing... but not when it's Nicki Minaj.

Saying Nicki Minaj is not so bad is like saying the world is not so round.

Did someone say female rapper hitting the mainstream?
She already got a profile in the New York Times. So yeah.

OT: I feel like rap has a lot of room to grow. It's so tied to the whole gangsta image, which is fine because that was a part of the lives of many of the people who blazed trails in the genre, but rap has so many decidedly non-gangsta fans, and I'd like to hear more of what those people might contribute to rap.

 

[ZephyrFireStrom]

Dang, you people have terrible tastes in music.

 

[piinyouri]

Dang, you people have terrible tastes in music.

Yes, let's turn the thread into this.
It's always so much more productive.

 

[uhddh]

I would have to say punk really, too much pop punk around nowadays, not enough of the rawer stuff, that originally defined the genre. It's sad how Green Day is what the definition of punk is now. Sid Vicious must be rolling in his grave.

Punk really needs a good shot in the arm, it's like the punkers have just totally forgot what actual punk is.

Green Day I let slide on the punk thing as from the beginning they've used punk as a template but haven't really followed punk as it was known in the early days of punk (e.g. Sex pistols). Their style is closer to Nirvana.

Considering punk music is basically defined by the lyrics and not the music, I understand where you're coming from.

OT: There's many. Rap/Hip-Hop has had a few good mainstream artists (Hilltop Hoods aren't terrible) recently, but is overall rather terrible. Dubstep has just become shitty noise that's expected to get heavier at some point or other. I've enjoyed it before but I can hardly listen too it. The fans are irritating as well At one point Skrillex posted his favourite piece of Electronic music. It was good. Sickeningly, all the comments were along the lines of "still waiting for the drop".

 

[Danzavare]

The worst offender in my books is Nicki Minaj. Here's hoping she becomes obsolete very soon.

really? I disagree...a female rapper hitting the mainstream I don;t think is a bad thing

but that said she does tend to do alot of pop...personally I think shes not so bad when shes actually rapping

No.
Nicki Minaj is bad.
A female rapper hitting the mainstream could in theory be a good thing... but not when it's Nicki Minaj.

Saying Nicki Minaj is not so bad is like saying the world is not so round.

Did someone say female rapper hitting the mainstream?
She already got a profile in the New York Times. So yeah.

OT: I feel like rap has a lot of room to grow. It's so tied to the whole gangsta image, which is fine because that was a part of the lives of many of the people who blazed trails in the genre, but rap has so many decidedly non-gangsta fans, and I'd like to hear more of what those people might contribute to rap.

That song felt very violent. x_X As far as mainstream female rappers go I find this song quite amusing:
(Lady Sovereign - Love Me or Hate Me)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmJKHIDFz5k[/youtube]

I remember Missy Elliot being very catchy for a female mainstream rapper, but I still can't decide if that's for the right reasons:
(Missy Elliot - Work it)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm28EEeyLek&feature=related[/youtube]

As far as setting a standard for mainstream rap, I really think this song does that:
(Coolio - Gangstas Paradise)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFK6H_CcuX8[/youtube]

I think any genre could be improved but if I had to choose, I'd definitely have to go with mainstream pop (Which often unnecessarily incorporates bad rap music). Most of it is heavily derivative and downright stupid when you listen to the lyrics. Instead of ranting, I'll just post this up:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijr4rwb2WbE[/youtube]

Edit: It might just be me, but most mainstream R&B, rap and pop songs seem to meld into a horrible "BITCHES - HO!" verbal masturbatory session for the singers. It doesn't have to be that offensively bad, I know it.

 

[Jazoni89]

I would have to say punk really, too much pop punk around nowadays, not enough of the rawer stuff, that originally defined the genre. It's sad how Green Day is what the definition of punk is now. Sid Vicious must be rolling in his grave.

Punk really needs a good shot in the arm, it's like the punkers have just totally forgot what actual punk is.

Dude, it's Punk. It's welcome to whatever the fuck it wants. And... Sid Vicious? Really? Sid was ALL about the image, nothing more. The Sex Pistols in general were little more than a glorified publicity stunt. Anything released by PiL beats the shit out of SP, end of story. To act like an elitist snob and claim that a genre, that has defined itself with rebellion, is weaker for trying new things is dumb.

Your right, Sid Vicious was probably a bad example, but I don't know anyone in the punk scene more iconic than him.

Punk was already experimental back in the day, what's Post-Punk, No-Wave, and Hardcore then?

The difference between those genre, and the new pop punk stuff, was that they were experimental without taking any of the core punk values away. Such as a rebellion against authority, and rebellion against the mainstream itself. Pop punk seems to go against everything punk has ever stand for, to a point were it can not be considered punk at all.

I know this may sound very elitist of me, but if you base a genre on these kind of values it's no surprise that there are a lot of people (not just me) that feel this way.

Also, I live in the ol blighty, were punk was a way of life for many people (not just music), and it had a great deal of affect on the British public, and their moral views on their politics.

Their's only a few band nowadays like Gallows which are keeping the punk spirit alive. Which is a shame as Britain is in a political turmoil, with cuts to public spending, and a bad economy, and the like. There could be a lot of great material to rebel about when it comes to the UK. Besides, rebellion in music is a much better way with dealing with these things than to smash up the place like what happened last year with the London riots.