When the force is introduced to her, she is almost immediately able to do what only Obi-Wan could do in the original film and is on par with Luke at the opening of Jedi.
Just a nitpick, in the original film we are introduced to only two experienced force users. Obi-Wan and Vader. Vader has absolutely know use for the mind trick when he can just force choke anyone that disagrees with him or physical crush their throat one-handed.
In Empire we are introduced to Yoda, a new experienced force user. Yoda is another person who has no need for the mind trick at that point in his life, seeing as he was training Luke to use the force.
By Return of the Jedi Emperor Palpatine is shown to be an experienced force user, and another person who has no need for the mind trick (being an evil Emperor and having force lightning and all).
So for all we know, going by the original movies, the Jedi mind trick might be one of the very first things that a Jedi learns to do. There is no evidence to suggest that the mind trick is a high-tier force power that only grand-masters can preform. The mind trick can be the force equivalent of breaking a board in martial arts training (i.e. something that nine and ten year-olds can pull off).
Given the jedi code and world view if mind trick was that easy to practise as you imply, then they wouldn't have any need to fight things out with anyone except select few species. So no, your deliberation makes no sense, unless jedi are just hypocrites who claim they cheerish peace and all life and refrain from violence whenever they can but instead secretly they revel in bloodbaths and conflicts they could have avoided at the snap of their fingers.
Anyone else follows surfacing information that Disney demands up 70% (sic!) of movie theater revenue for this movie and black lists/bans journalists that gave poor reviews of TFA, TLJ or dare to write about their extortion practices?
Anyone else follows surfacing information that Disney demands up 70% (sic!) of movie theater revenue for this movie and black lists/bans journalists that gave poor reviews of TFA, TLJ or dare to write about their extortion practices?
Pra-premiere screenings (? not sure how's that called in English) of the movies (so they can write review and it is published when movie starts to be shown in theaters for general public).
Given the jedi code and world view if mind trick was that easy to practise as you imply, then they wouldn't have any need to fight things out with anyone except select few species. So no, your deliberation makes no sense, unless jedi are just hypocrites who claim they cheerish peace and all life and refrain from violence whenever they can but instead secretly they revel in bloodbaths and conflicts they could have avoided at the snap of their fingers.
Also note that in the original Star Wars Obi-wan says that "The force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded."
That implies that the mind trick only really works on the weak-minded. So it is entirely possible, if not probable, that the mind trick has limited uses. Maybe people higher up in government and military organizations have training on how to overcome the mnd trick or other hypnotic suggestions
In Return of the Jedi for example, Luke was able to easily sway Jabba's Majordomo using the mind trick yet Jabba saw through it immediately and berated his Majordomo for falling for the trick.
In The Last Jedi Kylo Ren tried to use the mind trick on Rey, only to immediately dismiss his attempt saying "Of course it wouldn't work on you." (or something to that effect). That shows that even humans can be immune to the mind trick.
The mind trick may be easy to pull off put have so few practical uses that it is rarely used.
For example, it seems fairly easy to learn how to tell time using the sun and your fingers or how to make a sundial to tell time, but there is little use for that skill when they are clocks and watches everywhere.
Writing a check is easy to learn, yet not very necessary with online bill paying and the abundance of credit/debit cards.
Walking a coin across your knuckles might be easy to learn nut has little to no practical use.
I realized it was kinda like in that monkey paw story: except instead getting my wishes horribly wrong, it made them turn out... weirder.
So i wished it wouldn't be a retread of an original SW movie, like, to a big degree, The Force Awakens was. And it wasn't! ...To the point that it almost didn't feel like a sequel to TFA.
I wished that the new trilogy wouldn't revolve around Skywalkers so much... And it doesn't anymore! Because they're all dead. (Except Leia, but with Carrie Fisher's departure...) Those family ties mean nothing now!
I wished that it would reveal more about Rey's background, so, within the context of entire trilogy, she wouldn't feel so much like a Mar- kinda boring, cookie-cutter "hero" protagonist that gets what she needs without much effort.
And it revealed... nothing that'd "fix" my perception of Rey's character in TFA. There was nothing special about her origin, her parents were just a pair of no-name desert bums, that sold her for a box of scraps. No previous training, no connection to the Jedi whatsoever. [BTW: SW THEORY TIME: Benicio Del Toro's character, Drunk McStealey, or whatever he was called(liked this guy, BTW, up until the plot twist, at least) is in fact Rey's father! You heard it here first, folks!]
BUT, i think TLJ!Rey is a better character. Sure, she still operates Force like it's nothing(but looking at how Leia survived space vacuum, i guess that's how Force works now)and is good with melee? But that?s about it. Other than that, she is confused and gets in conflicts like every other character in this movie.
I liked Finn in TFA, but wished that maybe this time he'd be less of a bumbling sidekick/comic relief kind of guy... And he was. He gets his very own sidekick and plotline in fact... that leads to nothing. Well, he does face Captain Phasma again, to be fair. And wins a fight with her. And then she's gone. Again. *shrug*
I wished that Poe, would maybe get more character development... And he did. So there's nothing to complain about his arc... Except maybe, that it could be avoided if Admiral Anime-Hair would simply tell him about the salt planet.
I wished for some tweaks around Kylo's character, that'd make him more of a threat, and less of a joke... And i liked what i got. Didn't expect him to gave up on Vader's cult of personality. Too bad we still got no info on Knights of Ren, though. (Hux is the new lolcow now, BTW. Which is fine, though, i'll mention more about comedy overall in next paragraphs...)
I wished for Luke/Rey's relationship to didn't mirror those that Luke/Yoda had. And it didn't... Though i get why the way it played out might have pissed off some fans, because it does look like a 180-degree turn on Luke that we knew.
ALSO, Yoda appeared! But why he was acting the same way he did, when he just met Luke...?
I don't know, what else... Space battles? Those were okay, and no, the fact that space bombers acted like those from WWII, didn't bother me. Who gives a shit about physics in SW.
Okay, now that i got most of those out of the way, let's talk about the elephant in the room. Comedy.
SW was always a series that liked to intertwine moments of drama with humour, but this time... eh, two words, "tonal clash" come to mind.
I think i understand people who complain about "marvelization" now. Because it does feel like someone pushed for throwing staple MCU kind of jokes in, without taking differences between those two series(and the theme of this part in particular) into consideration. So many dramatic moments are immediately "difused" with some throwaway line, or scene, not allowing the drama to resound.
And then there's the execution. There were some really funny bits(the ironing scene, you know which one - i laughed, only time during the movie, but at the same time, it felt like something from Spaceballs, not an official SW movie), but about 2/3rd of the jokes felt flat, both to me and the audience, that responded with awkward silence to moments that were clearly meant to be taken as comedic.
And porgs... were about as annoying as i expected. So ewok, not Jar Jar level. That's okay.
I kvetched a lot about this movie, but... i can't really hate it. It was a mess, true, but it was still entertaining enough and so... unexpected, in a way, that i'm really waiting for the conclusion(a step up from the previous huge blockbuster trilogy, that i watched).
The Spoony One crawls out of his hole for this of all things? You missed out on a lot of movies to review in your vlogs, one of them being The Force Awakens.
Anyway Spoony starts with defending Rey being a Mary Sue because people are upset that a Girl is being cool and awesome in a movie.
No you spoony man that is not the point, the point is she was already born awesome rather than working her way up to be awesome, not going through pain and suffering to get where she is.
I think i understand people who complain about "marvelization" now. Because it does feel like someone pushed for throwing staple MCU kind of jokes in, without taking differences between those two series(and the theme of this part in particular) into consideration. So many dramatic moments are immediately "difused" with some throwaway line, or scene, not allowing the drama to resound.
And it ruins my immersion into a story and setting, especially with the charcaters because to me it feels like I am not watching characters in a different setting and world, I am just watching actors reading from the lands and cosplaying that are not taking their characters and situation seriously.
I don't see Star Lord from the Guardians of the Galaxy comics, I see Chris Pratt cosplaying and acting himself. The same applies to Iron Man and other things.
And are you fucking kidding me? The main cast of these new Movies is a white Female, Asian Female, Black Male and a Latino Male. You'd have to be incredibly naive to think that no pandering to special interest groups is going on here and this just incidentally came about in the process of writing the story. Really really really naive.
BTW, you forgot Han and Luke in TFA and TLJ respectively. So the main cast of these new movies is White Female, Asian Female, Black Male, Latino Male, and Normal Person.
Honestly do you guys even read back the shit you write before you hit post?
BTW, you forgot Han and Luke in TFA and TLJ respectively. So the main cast of these new movies is White Female, Asian Female, Black Male, Latino Male, and Normal Person.
I think i understand people who complain about "marvelization" now. Because it does feel like someone pushed for throwing staple MCU kind of jokes in, without taking differences between those two series(and the theme of this part in particular) into consideration. So many dramatic moments are immediately "difused" with some throwaway line, or scene, not allowing the drama to resound.
I don't see Star Lord from the Guardians of the Galaxy comics, I see Chris Pratt cosplaying and acting himself. The same applies to Iron Man and other things.
That's okay, but i didn't mean MCU. I meant companies trying to copy MCU, because it works for them. Suicide Squad failed at that, from what i've heard. TLJ is another(though, not as disastrous) example.
It's the "We want the CoD audience" of Hollywood.
Jamcie Kerbizz said:
It does feels like TFA set up a stage for 'something'. And then TLJ director took a piss on it, went 'taa-daa' some people laughed and cried 'great joke mate!'. Then Rian Johnson flipped J.J. Abrams, set the stage on fire and left with snark 'try to recover from that b#&ch' remark.
The Spoony One crawls out of his hole for this of all things? You missed out on a lot of movies to review in your vlogs, one of them being The Force Awakens.
Anyway Spoony starts with defending Rey being a Mary Sue because people are upset that a Girl is being cool and awesome in a movie.
No you spoony man that is not the point, the point is she was already born awesome rather than working her way up to be awesome, not going through pain and suffering to get where she is.
Why does Rey, a character with little to no training and seemingly no special ancestory to explain it, have better feats then these Characters? Why can she beat a trained Dark Side User (From this special Bloodline to boot)when under similar, arguably even more favorable to them circumstances, Luke and Anakin could not?
I must have missed the any point at all where Luke fought a Darth Vader that had been shot in the stomach by an anti-material rifle and wounded by Han Solo first.
Why can she, with no prior explanation of how to even do it, force pull a lightsaber from a significant distance and great speed to herself when Luke struggled to accomplish pulling one to himself that was merely a few feet away despite the fact the he was further along in his training?
Where he was concussed by a Wampanoag and hung upside down, where the sum total of his training was "block these blaster bolts" and "just feel the shot"?
I'm perfectly fine to hear a answer. The problem is that no answer has been given and they seem to now be actively dodging it, which only makes the "She's a Mary Sue" argument stronger. Do you know why that is? Because it's becoming increasingly likely that she is by her very design.
I like how people making the Mary Sue arguments completely dismiss mitigating circumstances and avoid talking about the times the supposed Sue completely fucks up.
But I've also had this conversation a dozen times, so feel free to claim victory.
Back on topic over here, I liked it. There were a few odd momements (the chase scene in the Casino Town came far too close to something out of the prequels for my liking). There were some convienant plot holes and Finn's sidequest went preciesly nowhere, but I still enjoyed it, moreso than TFA and definitly more than Rogue One.
What I don't see is how it's worse than the prequels. Anyone who says that should be forced to rewatch those atrocities; remind themselves that the sequel triology couldn't possibly be worse than those movies.
I like how people making the Mary Sue arguments completely dismiss mitigating circumstances and avoid talking about the times the supposed Sue completely fucks up.
But I've also had this conversation a dozen times, so feel free to claim victory.
Hasn't stopped you from claiming victory for yourself, hut go ahead and dismiss anyone that holds a different opinion. After all, you can't dislike these franchises anymore as an individual, I must have some ideological or moral failing.
It was an...ambitious movie, especially for a billion dollar corporate franchise. Probably didn't hit everything it was trying for, but I liked it. Most of the casino but was weird fluff, that declaration of love from Rose was a bit weird and certainly unearned if we're talking about romantic love, and where do the Fish Maids live, anyway?
On the other hand, despite its relatively upbeat portrayal at the end of TFA, TLJ kinda proves the Rebublic lost. Star killer base never needed that second shot. That second shot was going to be pure gravy. The scattered remnants of the Republic Fleet, now leaderless and fragmented, would've been easy pickings for resurgent remnant Empire forces flocking to the First Order.
Nobody coming to help at the end, either because they're tied down in their own battles or because they don't have the heart for fighting another war against an enemy that can build super weapons and multiple super-capital ships was a gut punch.
This was a movie about dead heroes and legends. Two things that are of no use to anyone. "Prophecy" or not, as soon as you believe your own hype, things go bad. "Rey" side note: there may very well have been a prophesy about Rey existing, which is apparently necessary for the audience to believe a strong force user exists, but there wasn't an order of experienced force users around to prophesise it. Then again, nobody prophesied Luke either. If the Force is serious about balance, creating someone with a strong connection to the Light to balance a forthcoming heavy Dark user is something that'd obviously happen. And it's not like the Skywalkers had anymore kids to tap for that. And I'm not entirely sure the Force works like that anyway.
Ninjamedic said:
altnameJag said:
I like how people making the Mary Sue arguments completely dismiss mitigating circumstances and avoid talking about the times the supposed Sue completely fucks up.
But I've also had this conversation a dozen times, so feel free to claim victory.
Hasn't stopped you from claiming victory for yourself, hut go ahead and dismiss anyone that holds a different opinion. After all, you can't dislike these franchises anymore as an individual, I must have some ideological or moral failing.
Dislike whatever you want, I don't care, just don't lie about it. "I don't like Star Wars because XYZ" is fine, "I don't like Star Wars because " is weird and is gonna get pushback.
And I'll dismiss any subjective opinion I want about whether or not somebody like a thing. There doesn't need to be a broad based consensus about if a movie is good. FFS, there's probably people out there who like Pixels. But I'm not going to lie about or misrepresent Pixels because of it.
Dislike whatever you want, I don't care, just don't lie about it. "I don't like Star Wars because XYZ" is fine, "I don't like Star Wars because " is weird and is gonna get pushback.
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