A Person Uses Transgender Law To Expose Gender Discrimination

[K12]

You don't understand. It's actually about ethics in leisure and tourism.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

I find this story funny and ironic. He is using something that social justice advocates are for to expose something that the very same people refuse to admit is discrimination.

painting with some pretty broad strokes aint you there chief?

EDIT: I discovered this story in a newspaper. I didn't completely read the whole online article when I posted the link. The bottom third of the article wasn't in the newspaper version. Now that I had read the whole online article, Yikes! This guy is an obnoxious sexist.

I'm glad you added the edit before I commented

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

Well considering how transgenderism is physically identifiable in the brain, by a person having physical neurological structures of the gender they identify as, not the sex they physically are.

That's a gross oversimplification of the situation.
Male and female brains are very similar. Why? Because we are all human.

Yes, there are some statistically significant variations between males and females and those have a statistical correlation with a person's gender identity, but to imply that means it's possible to test for someone's gender-identity by scanning their brain is utter nonsense.

We have very similar brains, but there is also rather significant sexual dimorphism in human brains too.

I'm not saying it's to test gender identity, but it can be used for a conformation.... That's an important distinction, as it's not a conclusive means of testing, but it is a good method for helping confirm when someone is transgender.

 

[Maze1125]

Well considering how transgenderism is physically identifiable in the brain, by a person having physical neurological structures of the gender they identify as, not the sex they physically are.

That's a gross oversimplification of the situation.
Male and female brains are very similar. Why? Because we are all human.

Yes, there are some statistically significant variations between males and females and those have a statistical correlation with a person's gender identity, but to imply that means it's possible to test for someone's gender-identity by scanning their brain is utter nonsense.

We have very similar brains, but there is also rather significant sexual dimorphism in human brains too.

I'm not saying it's to test gender identity, but it can be used for a conformation.... That's an important distinction, as it's not a conclusive means of testing, but it is a good method for helping confirm when someone is transgender.

No it can't. Not every male matches with the "male brain" equally not every female matches with the "female brain".
Trying to confirm a person's gender identity by scanning their brain is just as discriminatory as trying to confirm it by looking in their pants. Both situations correlate with gender identity but neither are consistent enough to to make a valid test either way.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

Well considering how transgenderism is physically identifiable in the brain, by a person having physical neurological structures of the gender they identify as, not the sex they physically are.

That's a gross oversimplification of the situation.
Male and female brains are very similar. Why? Because we are all human.

Yes, there are some statistically significant variations between males and females and those have a statistical correlation with a person's gender identity, but to imply that means it's possible to test for someone's gender-identity by scanning their brain is utter nonsense.

We have very similar brains, but there is also rather significant sexual dimorphism in human brains too.

I'm not saying it's to test gender identity, but it can be used for a conformation.... That's an important distinction, as it's not a conclusive means of testing, but it is a good method for helping confirm when someone is transgender.

No it can't. Not every male matches with the "male brain" equally not every female matches with the "female brain".
Trying to confirm a person's gender identity by scanning their brain is just as discriminatory as trying to confirm it by looking in their pants. Both situations correlate with gender identity but neither are consistent enough to to make a valid test either way.

You do realize that when I say "help confirm", it means as a general sentiment that obviously not every person will fit, as it's just one factor we can identify to back up someone's identity. Although proof positive will be when we can identify synaptic pathways that define how a person's gender works, which is a spectrum, not a binary, or a line. Either way there is enough consistency in the brain structures of cis and trans people to actually identify either a majority of the time. Having a supporting identifiable trait and actually working to identify it in people isn't discriminatory, unless it's used specifically to invalidate people's gender identities.

 

[KissingSunlight]

I can't imagine any other pricing disparity (by gender, race, etc.) would be accepted by our society. Like we accept pricing disparity when it comes to ladies' night.

Age. My country has laws against discriminating based on age, yet we still have senior discounts and child ticket prices for transport, events etc. Nobody cares.

That's a good catch. I didn't think of that one. My only excuse for neglecting that would be that hardly anyone complain about ageism. Well, nobody complain about ageism as much as sexism or racism.

Come to think about it, someone would have to be a hard-core jerk to complain about senior or children discounts.

 

[KissingSunlight]

Some social justice activists claim, you can't discriminate against men. (Some makes that statement about white people as well.)

Mansplain mode on: Actually, what gets said is that you can't be sexist toward men or racist toward white people. Not that you can't be prejudiced against them, or can't discriminate against them. The reason this gets said is because sexism/racism are defined in these contexts as societal constructs built and enforced by years of cultural backing -- you don't necessarily need to agree with that definition, but at least understand how it's being used. White men are disproportionately favored by modern Western society, and typically as a group do not suffer from extreme hostility simply due to their race or gender. And no, people getting mad at you on Twitter or Tumblr do not count.

That is obviously not going to be a catch-all statement that is true of everyone, because yes, men will suffer in society as well based on where they grew up, what their family is like, what their education/employment opportunities have been, and many other factors, but even still, nobody who actually advocates for social justice claims that men can't be discriminated against.

Your "mansplaination"(Gee, that term isn't sexist.) is just double-speak for: "We are not saying you can't discriminate against men or white people. We think it's fair to discriminate against them, because of history." That explanation and other actions are what make people who are pro-equality frustrated with people who claim they are concerned about social justice. When you break down what they say and do, you realize what people mean by "social justice" is to tear one group down to elevate another group in it's place.

 

[Maze1125]

unless it's used specifically to invalidate people's gender identities.

Which either this will be or it will be useless.

If this test is ever used, and if it's positive the person is considered transgender while if it's negative the person is not considered transgender, then it has been used in a situation where it could invalidate someone's gender.
If, on the other hand, that never ever happens, then the test is pointless.

 

[Erttheking]

So everytime I bring up sexism towards women and get shut down, it turns out I should've been talking about how men are discriminated against for not saving money on drinks? That's where the real issue was? *Sigh*

Also this man is a ****. What's his next plan? Proving that white men get picked after black men when forming basketball teams by using blackface?

Oh. And the title shouldn't say "Used trangender law" it should say "Abuses transgender law." Because this man is a **** who's willing to abuse laws made to protect arguably the most persecuted minority in America to satisfy his misogynistic world view. Fuck him.

 

[Jux]

You are mocking him for trying to expose privilege and biases.

I assume you're referring to 'ladies night' discounts as female privilege? You do understand that the point of those discounts is just a roundabout way to get more men into the bar to drink right? It's not actually set up as a benefit for women.

Also, how do you know he isn't really trans and this is the only way he is comfortable coming to terms with it? It honestly feels very insensitive to judge him like that.

I would say a good indication is that this guy has a long history of this kind of stuff.

http://www.citypages.com/news/steve-horner-sues-to-stop-ladies-night-6745196

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2011/aug/19/mans-crusade-against-ladies-night-will-continue-af/

http://www.westword.com/restaurants/steve-horners-complaint-against-brewskis-ladies-night-falls-flat-6704209

https://www.amazon.com/C-U-N-T-Cant-Understand-Normal-Thinking-ebook/dp/B00KC5OI9M/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1470231415&sr=1-2#navbar

 

[McMarbles]

A disingenuous topic designed to foment alt-right outrage? On The Escapist, of all places? I am shocked, shocked I tell you!

 

[SeanSeanston]

In fairness, how can you prove that someone is or isn't "trans"?

Do you force them to wear a dress? Who gets to decide what counts as "gender non-conforming"? And what happens once fashion inevitably changes? Do all those people now wearing "gender-conforming" clothes that used to not be, all become "cisgendered" or what?

If a man with a short haircut wearing jeans and a t-shirt tells you in a gruff voice that he's a transwoman now, how can you say he's not? How can you say he's not "feminine" enough? Is a woman wearing similar clothing going to be forcibly recognized as a transman then? There seems to be no consistency.

And I still don't know why it's justifiable for the government to get involved and recognizes people's genders one way or another when they claim to support equality, i.e. gender would not be a factor and therefore we could save a lot of headaches by just ignoring it from a legal standpoint if that's how people want to live.

 

[SeanSeanston]

I assume you're referring to 'ladies night' discounts as female privilege? You do understand that the point of those discounts is just a roundabout way to get more men into the bar to drink right? It's not actually set up as a benefit for women.

In fairness though, it's worth pointing that the entire concept is based around women not having to pay for their own drinks due to how society is set up.

So really, it again comes back to women being advantaged, if we want to get into that.

...*Hides*

<_<

 

[Czann]

Don't women have money to pay for their crap?

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

unless it's used specifically to invalidate people's gender identities.

Which either this will be or it will be useless.

That's not how medicine, or science works... While some people use a single factor to identify things, it's an inaccurate and bad practice, especially when dealing with complex issues like human gender identity.

If this test is ever used, and if it's positive the person is considered transgender while if it's negative the person is not considered transgender, then it has been used in a situation where it could invalidate someone's gender.

That's a leap of logic, because such a concept is a single factor identifier, any professional who isn't a quack will understand that a single factor is not proof positive. We already have gatekeepers who invalidate people on the most flimsy and disproved assumptions, that is not; however, a good argument to stop progress and limit our understanding of the mechanisms of trasgenderism. That's like saying chemo therapy is worthless because it kills some cancer patients, rather than eliminating the cancer.

If, on the other hand, that never ever happens, then the test is pointless.

Your whole argument to this point is that we shouldn't seek answers, that we should ignore factors, because it might be misused as a method harm someone... Sorry, but that's bullshit in it's purest form. We need the information for not only the sake of conformation, but also because it helps treatment. What you're arguing for is anti-scientific and anti-medicine, in the long run that will hurt more trans people than it could ever help. As it will be misused the same as inaccurate assumptions based on verifiable evidence. It will be the same ignorant bullshit we have now, where people have their gender identities invalidated purely on the basis of ideology, not scientific fact. When the truth is, once we have facts we can invalidate ideology, because we have proof that it's wrong...

Simply put, we can't ignore and reject the studies on this subject, nor can we ignore and reject the insight those studies provide. Doing such a thing backs up the biases of ideological bigots, who are going to reject the notion, regardless of the facts. We simply can't reject the science just because someone is going to misuse it, if we could, we might as well stop all human progress in all areas of life entirely.

P.S. Nice way to quote mine a short post just to try to invalidate me... That's not intellectually dishonest at all(massive sarcasm)...