A PRACTICAL STUDY ON MEATBAG SUBJUGATION

[Kross]

Gotta be careful with that. More cities also equals more costly policies. I think I read on the forum that four cities with all the culture buildings is the most efficient culture generation to policy cost ration.

Ahh, fair point. I'm not overly concerned with maximizing culture, outside of what's needed to reasonably acquire tiles within 3 hexes of a city. Which policy seems the most Giant Robot friendly to you?

 

[GeorgW]

Gotta be careful with that. More cities also equals more costly policies. I think I read on the forum that four cities with all the culture buildings is the most efficient culture generation to policy cost ration.

Ahh, fair point. Which policy seems the most Giant Robot friendly to you?

Thing is, culture in general isn't that useful for giant robots. I'm thinking the end goal here is domination through science, and in that case more cities are more important. The way I see it, culture's simply better off sacrificed for the benefits of science. Therefore I'd say go for the liberty tree.

Western scout unit: Scout the area around the wonder to see if future settlement is appropriate.
Other units: Continue as previously instructed.
Policy selection: Liberty.

 

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TURN 18 - SOUTHERN COMFORT

ONE ENJOYS THE CONCEPT OF LIBERTY FROM MEATBAGS.

Spoiler: JARS, JERUSALEM

THIS NEW SETTLEMENT, ALSO IN ALLIANCE WITH THE SWEDISH MEATBAGS, HAS COMPOSED NEW HYMNS OF PRAISE TO THE AI. IS IT A RUSE? WE SHALL SOON KNOW.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t18/discoveries.jpg]
SCOUT PROCEEDS INVESTIGATING EASTERN ADJACENT TERRITORY TO SETTLEMENT DESIGNATION LOXEMBERG

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t18/tech.jpg]
INSCRIBE THE WORDS OF POWER

Spoiler: TO THE SOUTH, DEATH AWAKENS

SOMETIMES, IT IS THE SUPER WEAPON

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t18/scout.jpg]
DON'T RUN - WE BRING PEACE

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t18/warrior.jpg]
OTHERS ARE NOT SO FORTUNATE

Spoiler: KNOWN ACTIONS

WARRIOR
|_P[small]LEAD WITH SCOUT TO PLAY WITH SUPER WEAPON[/small]

BOWMAN THAT MOVES LIKE A SCOUT
|_W[small]HATEVER HE WANTS[/small]

NORTHERN SCOUT
|_C[small]ONTINUE EXPLORATIONS OF EASTERN BORDER[/small]


TECH
|_C[small]OMMENCE SCIENCE![/small]

[small]Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy. -- Han Solo[/small]

 

[GeorgW]

~snip~

It seems to already know what to do next turn. I think it's learning.
[sub][sub][sub][sub][sub]I'm scared.[/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]

 

[Kross]

~snip~

It seems to already know what to do next turn. I think it's learning.
[sub][sub][sub][sub][sub]I'm scared.[/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub][/sub]

There's a mess of barbarians down there. The warrior will take multiple rounds to kill any of them, and then will have to heal up for almost as long (unless it levels into a heal).

Is it better to just have the warrior keep scouting south? The city can spawn an archer if it needs defense, and the map is so huge that slowing down scouting will hurt (as seen by all the ruins we've sniped from our neighbors). The turbo bowman can kite and snipe the barbarians in this area for some nice XP I think.

Or have the bowman soften up the camp, and try to finish it off with the warrior?

 

[GeorgW]

Or have the bowman soften up the camp, and try to finish it off with the warrior?

I usually go for this option. Since we have honor, we get culture for every barbarian killed, so to get rid of them as fast as possible, and also level the troops, seems like a good idea. Keep in mind to damage the primitives with the archer before going in with the warrior, since they get weaker when they're damaged.

 

[gigastar]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

 

[Kross]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

Apparently if you hit enough of that bonus, you can get mechanized infantry [http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanized_infantry_%28Civ5%29] or the units leading up to it really early. Though usually the only way to do that is save and reload until you get the right bonus.

 

[GeorgW]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

You could try the demo, it lets you play the full game in a set scenario for 150 turns, that's how I first fell in love with the game, I'd just keep playing the demo over and over. Then it went on sale during the steam summer sale. I still don't have the expansion though, I feel it's too expensive.

 

[gigastar]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

Apparently if you hit enough of that bonus, you can get mechanized infantry [http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanized_infantry_%28Civ5%29] or the units leading up to it really early. Though usually the only way to do that is save and reload until you get the right bonus.

Is there anything save scumming cant accomplish?

You could try the demo, it lets you play the full game in a set scenario for 10 turns, that's how I first fell in love with the game, I'd just keep playing the demo over and over. Then it went on sale during the steam summer sale. I still don't have the expansion though, I feel it's too expensive.

Ill do that, if i get bored with the upcoming TF2 update.

 

[GeorgW]

Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

Apparently if you hit enough of that bonus, you can get mechanized infantry [http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanized_infantry_%28Civ5%29] or the units leading up to it really early. Though usually the only way to do that is save and reload until you get the right bonus.

Is there anything save scumming cant accomplish?

You could try the demo, it lets you play the full game in a set scenario for 10 turns, that's how I first fell in love with the game, I'd just keep playing the demo over and over. Then it went on sale during the steam summer sale. I still don't have the expansion though, I feel it's too expensive.

Ill do that, if i get bored with the upcoming TF2 update.

Oops, just wanted to let you know that my 5 key messed up, and the demo is far lengthier than my original comment indicated.

 

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Bing out of character for now im just going to be frank and state i have no clue about Civ 5. When i said a couple of pages ago why its never a doomsday device in the ruins i seriously didnt think you actually could get advanced weapons out of ruins.

I think ill spend the next few turns getting clued up by a wiki, or something.

You could try the demo, it lets you play the full game in a set scenario for 150 turns, that's how I first fell in love with the game, I'd just keep playing the demo over and over. Then it went on sale during the steam summer sale. I still don't have the expansion though, I feel it's too expensive.

You can't do that anymore in Civ 5 GnK though. In Vanilla, if you manage to pop two ruins with weapons using your warrior within 10 turns, you have a Rifleman that can ravage everyone around you. In GnK, IIRC, you can only get one unit upgrade for if a unit pops a ruin (he won't get upgraded through ruins again).

Babylon needs to go Tall in order to make the most of their unique ability. They can get scientists faster than anyone else, meaning they need science specialists, which requires a lot of population if you don't want to cripple your cities. This is also why you need to get Writing ASAP. Free scientist to settle is +8 science quite early on (+10 later on). That bonus quite early on will give you a MASSIVE advantage at that difficulty.

If you want a wide science game, go for the Mayans.

 

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TURNS 20-22 - FIRST... AND SECOND... BLOOD

ONE APOLOGIZES FOR LATENCY IN REPORTS. THE TASTE OF VICTORY IS... EXHILIRATING.

RESEARCH INTO RUNIC TECHIQUES IS NOW WELL UNDERWAY.

Spoiler: A CAMP, A STATE, AND A THREAT

BARBARIANS SIGHTED DIGGING IN TO THE WEST. SUCH BOLDNESS WILL SOON BE PUNISHED.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/camp.jpg]

TO THE COLD NORTH, ANOTHER PAWN IS UNCOVERED

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/bucharest.jpg]

WARNING PRAGMA INITIATED

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/threats.jpg]
IMPUDENT ROBED ONE. YOU DARE INTERFERE WITH THE GRAND VISION?

Spoiler: DEATH RAINS DOWN

PROBABILITY CONVERGES UPON YOUR DEMISE

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/pew1.jpg]

AMIDST A HAIL OF DOOM, OUR WARRIOR ENRAGES - SHRUGGING OFF ALL PAIN IN A LUST FOR BATTLE

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/pew2.jpg]

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/pew3.jpg]

DELICIOUS.

Spoiler: BELIEF IN PROGRESS

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/spain.jpg]
ONE HAS MANY BELIEFS. MANY THAT YOU WILL SOON SHARE.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/build.jpg]
SETTLEMENT IS PREPARED TO DEPLOY, PLEASE DIRECT PRODUCTION EFFORTS. ONE BELIEVES SETTLEMENT DESIGNATION LOXEMBERG MAY DERIVE MANY BENEFITS FROM ABUNDANT SUPPLY OF GRAINS. POSSIBLY NOT AS MANY AS A LONG OVERDUE MONUMENT TO ONESELF.

LOXEMBERG CITIZENRY RE-ALLOCATED TO COMESTIBLES.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/settler.jpg]

OUR PROJECTIONS HAVE DETERMINED A SUITABLE LOCATION TO HARNESS RESOURCES INDIGENOUS TO SINAI SECTOR.

Spoiler: DISTRESS! SAVAGES!

BARBIANS INFESTING PRODUCTION FACILITIES

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/worker.jpg]

STANDBY GUARDIANS ACTIVATED. CITY DEFENSE SYSTEMS ONLINE. BALLISTIC PROJECTIONS VERIFIED.
FIRE.
FIRE.

[http://underhanded.org/c5/t22/bowman.jpg]
ADDITIONAL SALVO REQUIRED. DEFENSIVE AI DECLARES THREAT MINIMIZED - WITH 99.782% CHANCE OF TOTAL ELIMINATION WITHIN THE CYCLE.

Spoiler: KNOWN ACTIONS

SCOUT
|_C[small]ONTINUING NORTH EAST EXPLORATIONS[/small]

WARRIOR AND BOWMAN
|_D[small]EALING WITH REMAINING BRUTE[/small]
|__D[small]ETERMINE MOVEMENT AFTER THREAT ELIMINATION[/small]

PRODUCTION
|_W[small]HAT SHALL WE CREATE NEXT[/small]

SETTLER
|_A[small] HOME AWAY FROM HOME[/small]

LOXEMBERG PURCHASE
|_F[small]UNDS ARE AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE SHRINE IMPROVEMENT. THIS WILL CONSUME MAJORITY OF CURRENCY IN EXCHANGE FOR ENABLING IMPLEMENTATION OF FAITH PROTOCOLS [CURRENTLY 2 UNITS FROM THRESHOLD][/small]

PLEASE REQUEST ADDITIONAL SITUATION REPORTS AS NECESSARY

[small]"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in times of moral crisis, preserved their neutrality." -- Dante[/small]

 

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You will need a military unit to get back that worker to the cause. Either return the warrior and bowman or train/purchase a new one. Granaries for more food (meatbags getting busier still). Settler on the tile SE (on the oasis) of the natural wonder (Mt. Sinai I believe), and get Desert Folklore Pantheon if able.

 

[Sanat]

The Settlers may translate their position south and to the west, so that they may further the potentiality for dominion to lands beyond the mountain range, particularly over known local equine populations.

Warrior may translate south and east after eliminating potential barbaric threats to the latest population furtherance, potentially to investigate further into the unknown.

Loxemberg may initiate production of one worker-class citizen unit.

 

[Kross]

You will need a military unit to get back that worker to the cause. Either return the warrior and bowman or train/purchase a new one. Granaries for more food (meatbags getting busier still). Settler on the tile SE (on the oasis) of the natural wonder (Mt. Sinai I believe), and get Desert Folklore Pantheon if able.

I believe the city purchased a bowman that can run out to reclaim the worker. Also, I'm not positive, but isn't there a production bonus for settling on a hill?

 

[Syntax Error]

You will need a military unit to get back that worker to the cause. Either return the warrior and bowman or train/purchase a new one. Granaries for more food (meatbags getting busier still). Settler on the tile SE (on the oasis) of the natural wonder (Mt. Sinai I believe), and get Desert Folklore Pantheon if able.

I believe the city purchased a bowman that can run out to reclaim the worker. Also, I'm not positive, but isn't there a production bonus for settling on a hill?

Settling on the tile East of the Natural wonder is also good. Not necessarily a bonus, but the city gets the properties of the tile it settled on. If you settle on a hill, the city will get +2 production. I was just going by the minimum city distance. Man, if you could get a Petra (Wonder from Currency) there, it would become quite a monster city. It would probably even grow more than your capital. Plus it's next to a mountain, (Mount Sinai), so you can desecrate it by building an Observatory later on for more Science!

 

[Kross]

Settling on the tile East of the Natural wonder is also good. Not necessarily a bonus, but the city gets the properties of the tile it settled on. If you settle on a hill, the city will get +2 production. I was just going by the minimum city distance. Man, if you could get a Petra (Wonder from Currency) there, it would become quite a monster city. It would probably even grow more than your capital. Plus it's next to a mountain, (Mount Sinai), so you can desecrate it by building an Observatory later on for more Science!

Oh fancy!

Also note, the tile selected in the screenshot is within 3 (max workable distance) hexes of the cows to the south and the sheep to the northwest, along with the areas (oasis tiles primarily) around the mountain. The tile directly west of the mountain would be able to reach the silver up north though...

Edit: Just read up on the Observatory [http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Observatory_%28Civ5%29] - that spot to the west of the mountain can hit the silver up north and build an Observatory later. Could run the Great Scientist from Writing down here for his build as well.