A Problem With Youth of Today? No.
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No you should not be ragged on for your personal life choices, but I might rag on you for implying that people who are not virgins, do drugs and have touched alcohol are idiots and have an inferior moral compass.AvauntVanguard said:
My friends where going to host a party (on 2 separate occasions) and eventually it was cancelled because people started arranging to get drugs and alcohol, one kid even said he had a personal drug dealer(and I trust him, this is just the kind of thing he would do.) The thing is, it's true, kids these days are like this, the are all amoral pricks.
I'm 20, i've been sexually active since age 17, i've smoked weed occationally and will prolly do again, and i've been drinking alchohol since age 15 (it is/was legal in denmark.AvauntVanguard said:
But what does that have to do with my moral compas? i've never stolen, never attacked anyone, never harrased or bullied any1, i'm always ready to help my friends and family if they need anything. So would you care to elaborate on the morale thing
EDIT: oh yeah, btw non of those things have ruined my life. I got the highest grade in my class when draguation from gymnasium, i have a good job and is currently saving up for my education as a 3d animator, i've never been in trouble with the law either, not even a parking ticket or a speeding ticket.
I've never had any STD's or caused any pregnancies because i'm smart enough to practice safe sex, i've never driven while drunk
but i guess i'm still an idiot with a bad moral compas. I'm sure you know all about how horrible and life-screwing the things you've mentioned are, seeing that you haven't done any of them.
I'm not saying theres anything wrong with you not doing any of those things, but you should honestly drop the "holier than thou" attitude.
It's personal choices without any bad moral in them, it doesn't make you a better or a worse person.
I understand where you're coming from with drugs, though it is possible to use some without a large amount of negative effects that's really another discussion...AvauntVanguard said:
But if you're sensible with alcohol and you have protected sex then I really don't see how either are going to ruin your life.
Okay,
When it comes to kids having sex, I have no real problem when dealing with teens. It's part of growing up and learning about life. I *DO* have a problem when your dealing with adults having sex with teens, but that is an entirely differant discussion. What I'm talking about is Teen on Teen behavior.
It's been going on forever, and is such a part of our lifecycle that people make movies about it, write songs about it, and everything else. I feel that people that argue against this one have simply forgotten in their age about what being young was actually like, and what they learned at the time and how it influanced their later development.
Drugs on the other hand are something else. Look at say the "young drug culture" of the 1960s and 1970s and what those guys look like today (the ones who survived). That's a real issue as I see things, even if you have the money to afford your habit, I think few people with a young and healthy metabolism truely realize that they will wind up the same way if they use drugs seriously. Even when it comes to things like pot, look at guys like Cheech and Chong (the quintessential stoner-comedians). I mean really look. Funny they might be, but is that someone you REALLY want to be (either IRL, or their personas)?
Really, you look back on things and this stuff has been going on forever. All of the same issues. Kids do the same basic stuff, adults always look down on it. I guess it's just that the "information age" has given the "eternal age conflict" a new platform that pipes it into your eardrums and eyeballs 24/7 like never before.
"It has all happened before, it will all happen again" >
I personally find it ironic that adults can sit down and find movies like "Porky's" or "American Pie" so entertaining "hahaha, that's cool. we were actually like that. How awesome to be young" and then sit down and yell at people for being the same way they were. (and this is coming from a 34 year old).
Oh and as far as Sex goes, yes it is a powerful drive, but my arguements above aside, one of the things that seperates humanity from animals is the abillity to surpress our biological urges and act totally on rational thought. This is why things like rape are a crime.
>>>----Therumancer--->
When it comes to kids having sex, I have no real problem when dealing with teens. It's part of growing up and learning about life. I *DO* have a problem when your dealing with adults having sex with teens, but that is an entirely differant discussion. What I'm talking about is Teen on Teen behavior.
It's been going on forever, and is such a part of our lifecycle that people make movies about it, write songs about it, and everything else. I feel that people that argue against this one have simply forgotten in their age about what being young was actually like, and what they learned at the time and how it influanced their later development.
Drugs on the other hand are something else. Look at say the "young drug culture" of the 1960s and 1970s and what those guys look like today (the ones who survived). That's a real issue as I see things, even if you have the money to afford your habit, I think few people with a young and healthy metabolism truely realize that they will wind up the same way if they use drugs seriously. Even when it comes to things like pot, look at guys like Cheech and Chong (the quintessential stoner-comedians). I mean really look. Funny they might be, but is that someone you REALLY want to be (either IRL, or their personas)?
Really, you look back on things and this stuff has been going on forever. All of the same issues. Kids do the same basic stuff, adults always look down on it. I guess it's just that the "information age" has given the "eternal age conflict" a new platform that pipes it into your eardrums and eyeballs 24/7 like never before.
"It has all happened before, it will all happen again" >
I personally find it ironic that adults can sit down and find movies like "Porky's" or "American Pie" so entertaining "hahaha, that's cool. we were actually like that. How awesome to be young" and then sit down and yell at people for being the same way they were. (and this is coming from a 34 year old).
Oh and as far as Sex goes, yes it is a powerful drive, but my arguements above aside, one of the things that seperates humanity from animals is the abillity to surpress our biological urges and act totally on rational thought. This is why things like rape are a crime.
>>>----Therumancer--->
You poor thing.AvauntVanguard said:
Anyway, a look through history says the 'yoof' of today are in fact not much different to the youth of any other generation. I think older people rag on them for two main reasons. One because they nostalgise their own youth, but also (mainly) people become more aware of social problems as they grow up.
Things you don't pay attention to at 15 are very apparent by the time you're 20, at a glance it appears things are getting worse but the reality is you notice how bad they already are.
Confirmation bias. People tend to remember negative things about "the youth of today" and ignore the majority of young people who simply act normal.
the kids of today aren't stupid because of drugs and sex, that always has been there. Nowadays people are increasingly rude,narrow viewed and violent (seen in my own area that is)
they also tend to be the "stupid" kids (those with a low education) but that's the majority of the poplulation anyway as not everyone goes to college...
edit: still it's not that bad
they also tend to be the "stupid" kids (those with a low education) but that's the majority of the poplulation anyway as not everyone goes to college...
edit: still it's not that bad
i don't have anything against children drinking,sexing,smoking,stupiding.. i did that myself, and i am still doing it... the problem i have with kids today is that they have their fucking retarded phases andfashions like emo,punk,anime and all that fucking stupid bullshit
He's on about the fact you're 20 and a virgin. That gets you mocked in most social circles.AvauntVanguard said:
You not caring is fair enough, but "not sure what you're going on about" kind of implies you don't hang around with people much. That implies little social contact, which sucks for your social growth, hence the pity.
I didn't know that there are so many 13 and 14 year old kids on the Escapist until this rash of "teen" threads. Viewed in contrast with myself, I almost feel old.
The idea that hedonism and the pursuit of pleasure through substance use and sexual experimentation is solely the occupation of idiots is, to say the least, laughable. When one moves on to college or university life, the prevalence of these activities does not decrease. If only idiots did this, then wouldn't the high entrance requirements serve as a deterrent? Obviously not. People capable of achieving 90 percent averages are just as likely to partake in alcoholic consumption as anyone else. The capacity to separate "work time" and "play time" is necessary, but doesn't stop people from binge drinking on weekends or smoking weed if they have some free time.
Despite what some would tell me, I am going to chalk up a lot of attitude towards users of drugs to life inexperience. This is not to say that all sober people are basement dwellers who have no friends. The sober and abstinent people that I know, intelligent people mind you, all acknowledge that a hedonistic lifestyle is no indication of intelligence.
The idea that hedonism and the pursuit of pleasure through substance use and sexual experimentation is solely the occupation of idiots is, to say the least, laughable. When one moves on to college or university life, the prevalence of these activities does not decrease. If only idiots did this, then wouldn't the high entrance requirements serve as a deterrent? Obviously not. People capable of achieving 90 percent averages are just as likely to partake in alcoholic consumption as anyone else. The capacity to separate "work time" and "play time" is necessary, but doesn't stop people from binge drinking on weekends or smoking weed if they have some free time.
Despite what some would tell me, I am going to chalk up a lot of attitude towards users of drugs to life inexperience. This is not to say that all sober people are basement dwellers who have no friends. The sober and abstinent people that I know, intelligent people mind you, all acknowledge that a hedonistic lifestyle is no indication of intelligence.
Quite true. Hedonistic lifestyle does not reflect intelligence in the slightest.implodingMan said:
What does is when it's taken to excess, or starts to replace basic survival needs.
Honestly, the vast majority of kids today are perfectly fine, and they will continue to be fine for a good long time. The only problem is that the kids who aren't perfectly fine get much, much, much more attention than any previous generation. Information flow is so much vaster than at any time in the past that the problem kids seem to be much more prevalent, and important.
Essentially: kids are kids. Most of them are fine, and the rest just need to be shot.
People who say kids are dumb just because they engage in immoral acts are butthurt.
For some reason this thread has reminded me of a quote from Will Self's "Dorian", the quote being:
"If we are always happy we are always good but if we are always good we are not always happy"
For some reason this thread has reminded me of a quote from Will Self's "Dorian", the quote being:
"If we are always happy we are always good but if we are always good we are not always happy"
No, that's not quite what I was on about.Danzaivar said:
Yes I was mocking you to an extent, but the main thrust is that I think decisions based on lack of experience (or worse, based on other people's experience) are never good.
You can decide to not get drunk or have sex (drugs later), but to do so without ever having done either is denying yourself the experience to make the decision properly.
I don't drink now, but I have been drunk a few times. It was actually a lot of fun, I just don't feel the need to do it again. Similarly I know sex is best with someone you have strong feelings for, but I'd never have found that out without going through a couple of relationships first.
Drugs are a bit different, the state makes that decision for you and if you can go through life without encountering drugs, good for you. As for me, peer pressure got me into my one and only experience with drugs, never again.
The point I'm trying to make is that it's better to decide whether you should or shouldn't do something after you've given it a go. If it's legal and nobody get's hurt, why not?
What if you know that you have a very addictive personality? Would you consider it smart and knowledgable to avoid semi-harmful and potentially expensive things then? I personally have a heart defect and can give in to alcohol poisioning very quickly, so drinking has been a life or death thing for me.fix-the-spade said:
Ps. I match AvauntVanguard's description of himself(I am 18), probably for very different reasons though.