A question about the Avengers

[DugMachine]

Cause War Machine doesn't have that genius brain that Stark does? I only watched it recently but I remember a few scenes where Tony's quick thinking helped a bunch. War Machine is just a high tech suit and blows shit up with a cool guy at the reins sure but he'd only be good for blowing said shit up.

Also I have a question... How come when Banner went Hulk the first time in the movie he was a wild animal but conveniently he was able to control himself for the battle in NY. Only nitpick I have with the movie, I still enjoyed this new Hulk though. I really like the new guy playing him

 

[DugMachine]

Also I have a question... How come when Banner went Hulk the first time in the movie he was a wild animal but conveniently he was able to control himself for the battle in NY. Only nitpick I have with the movie, I still enjoyed this new Hulk though. I really like the new guy playing him

I wondered that too, I think it's supposed to be that Loki had been influencing them all and it just took a lot longer to ware off on Banner because of his rage issues.

Ahhh I overlooked that. Hmm interesting.

Another questions (dunno if you can answer). So is The Hulk immortal/invincible? I feel kind of bad when he tells the story about wanting to kill himself and he can't.

 

[Basement Cat]

Answer.

Well, aside from the fact that Stark can have muliple versions of suits as needed and James has only the one to work with (and no Jarvis support), there is the...


...genius millionaire playboy philanthropist part. Stark was needed for his actual genius to collab with Banner. James could not have provided anything beyond fighting capability.

That's BILLIONAIRE, son.

Just Saiyan

But yeah, Stark was brought along NOT as a member of the Avengers but as a scientist and engineer. He then just casually decided to involve himself whether anyone else approved or not.

can YOU stop the genius with a powersuit from getting involved, especially when he's palling around with the Hulk? What's that? No? I didn't think so.

Sorry, but you're both wrong--not that I want my saying so to come across as confrontational.

Captain America was responsible for Tony getting involved with the fighting.

Remember?

Steve and Tony are face to face and Cap--who totally wants to whupp up on Stark--kept saying "Put on the suit. Put on the suit. Put on the suit."

Tony holds his ground but you can tell there's NO WAY he's going to go toe to toe with Cap because he recognizes that while his tech is far superior Cap's got him totally beaten on grit and combat experience. They just had a three-way face off with Thor, remember. Cap went face to face with the God of Thunder with just his shield while Stark was getting his armor crunched and messed up.

Then Loki's team arrives--led by a mind controlled Hawkeye--and the helicarrier takes a hit that sends Steve and Tony rolling.

Then Steve once again says "Put on the suit." and Tony says "Right."

That's how Iron Man was pulled into the fracas.

It was Captain America's fault/doing.

 

[FalloutJack]

Snip

Oh, I know that. This is a 'between the lines' read. Namely, you know he'd get a piece of the action anyway, because be's Tony Stark. If there is every a time where Tony Stark isn't a part of the action, it's only because his actual genius takes precident. (Case in point, his one-off with Loki as a distraction in which he confounded the god with his chest-battery and then made reference to him not being able to get it up in bed. Done out of suit only because it worked so much better without it. And then, he guided a missle into deep space to blow up some aliens.)

 

[dreadhierarch]

What I found very odd about the finally battle was that there was no Fantastic Four, the final battle happened in Manhattan which the Fantastic Four should have been close by so they almost should have showed up to help, this is also easily fixed by just saying they have no been created or in space atm but still something to ponder with them crossing through movies now and plan on doing it more.

 

[Chicago Ted]

Answer.

Well, aside from the fact that Stark can have muliple versions of suits as needed and James has only the one to work with (and no Jarvis support), there is the...


...genius millionaire playboy philanthropist part. Stark was needed for his actual genius to collab with Banner. James could not have provided anything beyond fighting capability.

That's BILLIONAIRE, son.

Just Saiyan

But yeah, Stark was brought along NOT as a member of the Avengers but as a scientist and engineer. He then just casually decided to involve himself whether anyone else approved or not.

can YOU stop the genius with a powersuit from getting involved, especially when he's palling around with the Hulk? What's that? No? I didn't think so.

Sorry, but you're both wrong--not that I want my saying so to come across as confrontational.

Captain America was responsible for Tony getting involved with the fighting.

Remember?

Steve and Tony are face to face and Cap--who totally wants to whupp up on Stark--kept saying "Put on the suit. Put on the suit. Put on the suit."

Tony holds his ground but you can tell there's NO WAY he's going to go toe to toe with Cap because he recognizes that while his tech is far superior Cap's got him totally beaten on grit and combat experience. They just had a three-way face off with Thor, remember. Cap went face to face with the God of Thunder with just his shield while Stark was getting his armor crunched and messed up.

Then Loki's team arrives--led by a mind controlled Hawkeye--and the helicarrier takes a hit that sends Steve and Tony rolling.

Then Steve once again says "Put on the suit." and Tony says "Right."

That's how Iron Man was pulled into the fracas.

It was Captain America's fault/doing.

Ya... I think you're not at all remembering that scene.

Tony went face to face with Thor, God of Thunder, and was going pretty much blow for blow with him. Would he have won it? No, I doubt it, again, God of Thunder here, Thor's probably the most powerful member on the team, only Hulk can really challenge him when it comes to raw strength. What did the Cap do? He threw his shield at both of them, had Thor's attention for ten seconds, and took one blow that he just used his shield to cover himself with. Then it pretty much just stopped.

The Captain really wasn't involved in that fight, that was a battle really only between Iron Man and Thor. Sure the Captain was able to deflect the blow, and kinda of bring them to pause for a moment and then stop, but if that kept going the Cap would have been screwed.

If we restricted it to just Iron Man and the Captain, Iron Man will win. Every time. All that Iron Man has to do is just fire a couple rockets at him, then finish him off. Or be able to get one shot that gets by the Cap's shield and he's toast. Hell, Tony could even just grab the Cap, fly straight up, and drop him from a mile.

And for the record, the Cap is probably my second favourite one on the team. Sure Tony is the best in my mind, but I'll admit that neither are the strongest on the team. Pretty much the order of power:

Thor > Hulk > Iron Man > Cap > Hawkeye/Black Widow

 

[Risingblade]

He's not as effective as Stark that's why.

 

[Chicago Ted]

Thor > Hulk > Iron Man > Cap > Hawkeye/Black Widow

Thor's more versatile... he's not more powerful.

In a straight up fight, Hulk would take it every time.

I dunno, Thor was doing quite well in the hangar against the Hulk, it was only when he got into the labs and for some reason wasn't using the hammer that he seemed to be the most in trouble.

Honestly, that'd be the tighest fight out of all of them I think. While Hulk has the power no question, I figure that extra room Thor has is enough to tip the scales.

Then again, I will admit, all I really have to go on is the Avengers, as I haven't yet seen Thor, Hulk, or Iron Man 2 yet still...

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

Well, clearly because of his intellect, money, and resources. Also, he's the most experience in any of the Mark suits, he continually creates new suits that prove to be beneficial in dire situations and he's not a soldier (that's why good ol' Steve is there), so he doesn't play by the rules and goes after the truth.

 

[Basement Cat]

snip

Ya... I think you're not at all remembering that scene.

Tony went face to face with Thor, God of Thunder, and was going pretty much blow for blow with him. Would he have won it? No, I doubt it, again, God of Thunder here, Thor's probably the most powerful member on the team, only Hulk can really challenge him when it comes to raw strength. What did the Cap do? He threw his shield at both of them, had Thor's attention for ten seconds, and took one blow that he just used his shield to cover himself with. Then it pretty much just stopped.

The Captain really wasn't involved in that fight, that was a battle really only between Iron Man and Thor. Sure the Captain was able to deflect the blow, and kinda of bring them to pause for a moment and then stop, but if that kept going the Cap would have been screwed.

If we restricted it to just Iron Man and the Captain, Iron Man will win. Every time. All that Iron Man has to do is just fire a couple rockets at him, then finish him off. Or be able to get one shot that gets by the Cap's shield and he's toast. Hell, Tony could even just grab the Cap, fly straight up, and drop him from a mile.

And for the record, the Cap is probably my second favourite one on the team. Sure Tony is the best in my mind, but I'll admit that neither are the strongest on the team. Pretty much the order of power:

Thor > Hulk > Iron Man > Cap > Hawkeye/Black Widow

I remember that scene. I figure they stopped it where they did because Thor, if they played him straight, could stomp Cap with little effort.

You're probably right about Iron Man being able to beat Captain America. I remember too many fanboys harping that Cap's overly-advertised: "He always has at least 3 tactical plans for any situation" character trait effectively makes him invincible.

I remember reading an old (early 90's) comic where a fan letter genuinely and seriously claimed that Cap could beat Galactus because of this.

Uh-huh...riiiight.


My focus was more on Cap's grit. Steve isn't just a soldier (or just a super soldier) he's a veteran with years of combat experience. To him WW II, where it was kill or be killed, was practically yesterday. That makes him dangerous in a fight.

Tony's many things but he isn't stupid.

 

[Issurru]

Also I have a question... How come when Banner went Hulk the first time in the movie he was a wild animal but conveniently he was able to control himself for the battle in NY. Only nitpick I have with the movie, I still enjoyed this new Hulk though. I really like the new guy playing him

My guess was because of the staff as well as it wasn't intentional. When he Hulks out the second time, he willfully changes/lets the Hulk take control. Whereas the first time he wanted to try and keep a handle on it and the Hulk just kinda took over. So my guess is that his "being angry all the time" works because he can then retain some of his mind and not just be a walking disaster who attacks anything and everything that gets its attention.

OT: I would agree with everyone who says that Rhodes is just a soldier in a suit, he can't even hold a candle to Tony. Also Tony was needed for his smarts to help track the Tesseract.

 

[Guffe]

Because he is a HUGE AC/DC fan.
That contributes to the whole meaning of the Avengers

 

[Broken Blade]

What I found very odd about the finally battle was that there was no Fantastic Four, the final battle happened in Manhattan which the Fantastic Four should have been close by so they almost should have showed up to help, this is also easily fixed by just saying they have no been created or in space atm but still something to ponder with them crossing through movies now and plan on doing it more.

Or that the Fantastic Four movies aren't in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Kind of like the Spider-Man and X-Men movies.

Also, it would make any interaction between Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers REALLY interesting, to say the least. XD

And the answer is a combination of several things, in and out of universe. Out of universe, Tony Stark/Iron Man is the more recognizable hero with two movies to his name, they hinted at his role in the Avengers all through IM2 (even though they found Tony Stark to not be suitable for the program), and RDJ is probably the more famous actor (sorry, Don Cheadle). In-universe, Tony is an unparalleled scientific and mechanical genius, who also happens to come with a suit of armor more advanced than the War Machine armor (remember that War Machine is based on the Mark II frame and augmented by modern weaponry, not Stark's supertech), they were probably not anticipating a full-blown war, and while James Rhodes is a very intelligent man (he wears the MIT Brass Rat and is a Lieutenant Colonel, and they don't just hand those out) he doesn't hold a candle to Tony Stark. Also, between the beginning and end of the movie, only a few days pass, and I'm willing to bet there wasn't enough time to call Rhodey in. He certainly would have been useful, at least as a second set of guns.

 

[Calibanbutcher]

Honestly, if you could hang with Tony Stark OR Rhodes, whom would you choose?
+ Iron Man saved the world afterall, clearly indicating that he WAS the right choice.