A question about the Avengers

[omega 616]

Barring the 100 people saying the correct answer, my first thought was "'cos he's more fucking loyal".

In the Iron man 2 film, he turns up, says "I'm having this suit now!" has a little brawl then fucks off with Tony's suit and puts shitty guns on it.

Back stabbing mother fucker! You just stole a very expensive piece of machinery from your friend, who would use it to save people and gave it to the government to turn into a killing machine.

 

[Winnosh]

Sorry but Thor and Surfer have fought many times. Surfer's never been able to beat him. It's either a Draw, something stops the fight, or Thor wins hands down.

And yes Odin is a match for Galactus. Anyone wielding the Odin Force is on Skyfather level. Hell Thor's fought and injured Celestials. I don't know where you're getting your facts from but Thor has always been Cosmic level. Asgardians are Cosmic beings.

Surfers feats and powers dwarf Thors. As with most Hero cross fights, PIS takes over. Not to mention most if not all of their fights happened pre-annihilation. SS has destroyed planets and absorbed the power of stars since then.

Surfer is a closer match for Thanos than Thor is.

And you're off your rocker if you think Odin is a match for Galactus. The combined pantheons sky fathers couldn't beat Galactus in raw power. At full power (well you know what I mean), Galactus is close to Eternity's level.

And it depends on your definition of cosmic level really. I consider character who use the power cosmic, or cosmic radiation to be the deciding factor in it. I'd say Asgardians are more inter-dimensional than anything.

http://hero-envy.blogspot.com/2012_05_01_archive.html Lists of Every fight between Thor and Surfer. You can say PIS all you want. PIS would be if it happened one time mabey even two. But facts are facts and Surfer has Never beaten Thor. and yes they have fought post annihilation. You seem to get that while Surfer got a powerupgrade durring Annihilation Thor Also got a powerupgrade around the same time.

 

[mattttherman3]

Tony ALWAYS has the better suit. THAT`S WHY

 

[Something Amyss]

Because Iron Man is the major franchise name, not War Machine?

 

[Techno Squidgy]

I still enjoyed this new Hulk though. I really like the new guy playing him

I loved Edward Norton, this new guy just doesn't sell banner to me. I'm kind of ambivalent regarding Rhodes though, I liked the old guy, but I don't think he could be War Machine.

 

[Tiamattt]

Yes we all know that movie was great having iron man, thor hulk ect was good. But one problem... WHY the hell did they chose Tony Stark for the avengers When James Rhodes is better trained more disciplined and self controlled than Tony Stark could ever be. It boggles my mind lets get the self centered narcissistic 'doesn't play well with others' guy in a high tech suit on the avengers instead of the military trained self contained follows orders guy in a high tech suit.


Your thoughts on this?

Um....I'm GUESSING since
1. Tony is much experienced/skilled at handling the suit
2. They needed a big brain on the team since their other big brain will be smashing stuff
3. He owns the suits and probably won't let the military or Shield use one without his permission(Guessing the war machine went back to him after the movie)
4. Because Robert Downey, Jr. is awesome.

 

[Basement Cat]

Sorry but Thor and Surfer have fought many times. Surfer's never been able to beat him. It's either a Draw, something stops the fight, or Thor wins hands down.

And yes Odin is a match for Galactus. Anyone wielding the Odin Force is on Skyfather level. Hell Thor's fought and injured Celestials. I don't know where you're getting your facts from but Thor has always been Cosmic level. Asgardians are Cosmic beings.

Surfers feats and powers dwarf Thors. As with most Hero cross fights, PIS takes over. Not to mention most if not all of their fights happened pre-annihilation. SS has destroyed planets and absorbed the power of stars since then.

Surfer is a closer match for Thanos than Thor is.

And you're off your rocker if you think Odin is a match for Galactus. The combined pantheons sky fathers couldn't beat Galactus in raw power. At full power (well you know what I mean), Galactus is close to Eternity's level.

And it depends on your definition of cosmic level really. I consider character who use the power cosmic, or cosmic radiation to be the deciding factor in it. I'd say Asgardians are more inter-dimensional than anything.

http://hero-envy.blogspot.com/2012_05_01_archive.html Lists of Every fight between Thor and Surfer. You can say PIS all you want. PIS would be if it happened one time mabey even two. But facts are facts and Surfer has Never beaten Thor. and yes they have fought post annihilation. You seem to get that while Surfer got a powerupgrade durring Annihilation Thor Also got a powerupgrade around the same time.

I couldn't help but follow your debate. It appears that Thor has changed quite a bit since I read him on a regular basis (back in the 80's and 90's).

I don't know who could whip who right now, but when I checked your link I saw this:

I've got this old comic. It was an annual from the early 80's, I think. After the Walt Simonson Surtur War when Odin ostensibly died.

It's great. One of the best Thor stories in fact. He gets summoned by Mephisto to Mephisto's realm who mocks and torments him.

And this was the 80's Thor and Mephisto, where characters' capabilities were defined in the Marvel Universe Handbooks. He threw his hammer at Mephisto who caught it with one hand, turned it to drippy putty without effort then says something along the lines of "Surely you know that there is nothing I cannot do in my own realm?", then reforms Mjolnir and throws it back at Thor.

That little exchange established the futility of Thor trying to overpower Mephisto in the demon's own realm. The rest of the issue was predominantly psychological.

I mention all this because I find it disappointing when older, established characters' writers build them so far up that they can overcome anyone or anything and in the process leech most of the possible tension out of stories because "So and so" can now beat anyone with the twitch of a pinky.

I call it Superman Malaise. The Man of Steel is so perfect and effectively insurmountable that he's boring.

 

[Winnosh]

Sorry but Thor and Surfer have fought many times. Surfer's never been able to beat him. It's either a Draw, something stops the fight, or Thor wins hands down.

And yes Odin is a match for Galactus. Anyone wielding the Odin Force is on Skyfather level. Hell Thor's fought and injured Celestials. I don't know where you're getting your facts from but Thor has always been Cosmic level. Asgardians are Cosmic beings.

Surfers feats and powers dwarf Thors. As with most Hero cross fights, PIS takes over. Not to mention most if not all of their fights happened pre-annihilation. SS has destroyed planets and absorbed the power of stars since then.

Surfer is a closer match for Thanos than Thor is.

And you're off your rocker if you think Odin is a match for Galactus. The combined pantheons sky fathers couldn't beat Galactus in raw power. At full power (well you know what I mean), Galactus is close to Eternity's level.

And it depends on your definition of cosmic level really. I consider character who use the power cosmic, or cosmic radiation to be the deciding factor in it. I'd say Asgardians are more inter-dimensional than anything.

http://hero-envy.blogspot.com/2012_05_01_archive.html Lists of Every fight between Thor and Surfer. You can say PIS all you want. PIS would be if it happened one time mabey even two. But facts are facts and Surfer has Never beaten Thor. and yes they have fought post annihilation. You seem to get that while Surfer got a powerupgrade durring Annihilation Thor Also got a powerupgrade around the same time.

I couldn't help but follow your debate. It appears that Thor has changed quite a bit since I read him on a regular basis (back in the 80's and 90's).

I don't know who could whip who right now, but when I checked your link I saw this:

I've got this old comic. It was an annual from the early 80's, I think. After the Walt Simonson Surtur War when Odin ostensibly died.

It's great. One of the best Thor stories in fact. He gets summoned by Mephisto to Mephisto's realm who mocks and torments him.

And this was the 80's Thor and Mephisto, where characters' capabilities were defined in the Marvel Universe Handbooks. He threw his hammer at Mephisto who caught it with one hand, turned it to drippy putty without effort then says something along the lines of "Surely you know that there is nothing I cannot do in my own realm?", then reforms Mjolnir and throws it back at Thor.

That little exchange established the futility of Thor trying to overpower Mephisto in the demon's own realm. The rest of the issue was predominantly psychological.

I mention all this because I find it disappointing when older, established characters' writers build them so far up that they can overcome anyone or anything and in the process leech most of the possible tension out of stories because "So and so" can now beat anyone with the twitch of a pinky.

I call it Superman Malaise. The Man of Steel is so perfect and effectively insurmountable that he's boring.

Eh I like Superman comics for the same reason I like Captain America books. Characters personal relationships, trials and triumphs. Who can beat who doesn't make someone my favorite. It just mean's that such and such is stronger in a fight.

 

[Jordy Hartog]

Re: Banner, a number of people have already said similar things, but I've essentially always thought that one of the defining characteristics of the Hulk's character is the eternal struggle between both sides of his personality over control of the body. Usually, both sides are at odds and working to suppress the other, in New York, Banner had accepted the Hulk part of his personality and actually WANTED that part to come out.

This acceptance resulted in the two parts working together for a change and gave both parts a greater degree of control over the transformation that resulted from this.

 

[spartan231490]

Simple, Stark's mind. Stark is incredibly intelligent, that's the bigger reason he's on the avengers. Rhodes doesn't have that. Also, the Iron man suit is more advanced than the War Machine Suit.