A question for non British people

[MrGalactus]

She is conservative, therefor people love her for no reason other than that. See: Sarah Palin.

 

[Shadu]

American.

Heard of her. I know very little to nothing about her. So...no opinion.

 

[FurKlarheitIchRant]

Cameron's position on Financial benefit, and the current Tory fiscal policy.
for the slower of you, mr tory say no spend save save save,
mr labour say no no create jobs to make more money
mr lib dem say spank me harder.

Don't tell me you made an assumption just on Mr Cameron's enormous chin

Now who's the one being patronizing?

Though I still fail to see what you're trying to say. The previous quote had almost no punctuation and made no sense, I was asking for clarification and hopefully a well structured edit of the quote.

But hey, thanks for being condescending and facetious on the internet. You can be helpful without treating other users like children you know.

sory but any tory suport gets me ANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR slober slober fiting on the floor

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

I'm American and I have heard of her. From what I know she was a hardline conservative similar to Reagan (probably not the same though considering how much more conservative America is). She was involved in the whole Falkland Islands deal and she was rather no-nonsense.

Beyond that I know little of her seeing as I'm an American and that she was before my time, so I've got no opinion on her.

Although from what I've heard of some people's opinion on her, she reminds me even more of Reagan. My dad hates what Reagan did and it seems like some Brits might have a similar view on Thatcher.

 

[Everian]

EDIT: **** wrong topic!

 

[FurKlarheitIchRant]

its an oscar grab. made by old people for old people, see the escape to the movies episode on the kings speech and you will see why they are making this.

that said, i have never heard of margaret thatcher, could someone enlighten me?

where you from could help make an apt comparison although the easy ones are she-devil Beelzebub cruela devil and the worst way to spend a vote.

you are obviously new, so let me be nice, "where you are from could help make an apt comparison, although the easy ones are she-devil, Beelzebub, Cruella Deville, and the worst way to spend a vote." corrections are in bold. please try to use correct grammar.

anyway, i am from America. but you dont need to know that because comparisons dont need to be made, just tell me what she did and why she is hated.

very well then (a touch offended) she was a PM in the 80s hated for her decision to import cheap coal, destroying British industry, and Privatising many public surfaces. this created mass unemployment. to get the idea of the cultural mood at the time watch V for Vendetta based on a comic book written at the time.

and please refrain from patronization as it is quite annoying. "Garrb Garrb I don't like the toan of your voice young man".

so she was Britain's Obama?

NO NO NO NO not on your nonay she was Anti-Obama removing welfare networks rather than instigating them.
soz but your a yank its hard to explan because you have a big gap where a third party should be.

one no would have been nice, also i did not appreciate the "your a yank" bit, sounds like a metaphor for jerking off.... (also, *grammar*)

Dear god, very well yet again. Yank comes from the western song Yanky doodle. Being British and having to grow up with Spotted dick and other such blatant metaphors I am practically immune. Just to say I have dyslexia and am pedantic, IE I nerve spot the mistake but franticly try to right it when noted.
So stop with the correction my hands grow tired.

i know what 'yank' means, i was making a joke

soz again UNT(not a misspelling) now I must end this ridiculous argument.

 

[trooper6]

American and 38.
So of course I've heard of her. I was alive during her tenure. And I have nothing good to say about her at all. I detested both her politics and the politics of Reagan. And the British Punk/New Wave bands I liked didn't have very nice things to say about her either.

And I say a really good play called Top Girls...that also didn't have much good to say about her either.

So, no Thatcher love at all.

 

[Lonan]

Nope, never heard of her.

Would anyone but an American speak with such arrogance? I knew you were American before I saw you're profile. Treat the suffering of people with more respect. Say nothing if you know nothing. I personally think of her quite positively but the harm she caused was quite evident from what the OP was saying. To come in and just slap aside such an emotional issue is extremely disrespectful.

 

[FurKlarheitIchRant]

Cameron's position on Financial benefit, and the current Tory fiscal policy.
for the slower of you, mr tory say no spend save save save,
mr labour say no no create jobs to make more money
mr lib dem say spank me harder.

Don't tell me you made an assumption just on Mr Cameron's enormous chin

Now who's the one being patronizing?

Though I still fail to see what you're trying to say. The previous quote had almost no punctuation and made no sense, I was asking for clarification and hopefully a well structured edit of the quote.

But hey, thanks for being condescending and facetious on the internet. You can be helpful without treating other users like children you know.

sory but any tory suport gets me ANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR slober slober fiting on the floor

just to say please reference post 154)

 

[McShizzle]

She sucked, but I don't really see how we could have avoided the Falklands war.

Those sneaky Argentinians...

Actually...we kinda started the war. Thatcher ordered the British Navy to open fire on a civilian Argentinian ship that wasn't anywhere near the fleet. The Argentinians attacking us was a retaliatory gesture. Thatcher wanted a war to distract the British public from the fact she was slowly but surely screwing anybody who wasn't rich and white, I.E., Conservative. :/

OT: I hate Thatcher and Meryl Streep, so this movie will be on my LA LA LA THIS DOESN'T EXIST list from now on, methinks.

Which conspiracy theorist came up with that one? It's very well known that the Argentinians want the Falklands, hell some politicians running for office still bloody talk about reclaiming them.

All you need to know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_war

I'm citing knowledge gained from reading two books on the subject, watching a documentary written by Andrew Marr, and having a father who lived through the war who also has extensive qualifications in modern British history.

You're citing from Wikipedia.

Wow, patently ridiculous. At the opening of hostilities the "fleet" to which you refer consisted of 1 ship which was closer to a survey vessel than a warship, and the event to which you refer does not exist. Also, the wikipedia article which you so quickly deride is quite well cited. You, not so much.

 

[FurKlarheitIchRant]

Nope, never heard of her.

Would anyone but an American speak with such arrogance? I knew you were American before I saw you're profile. Treat the suffering of people with more respect. Say nothing if you know nothing. I personally think of her quite positively but the harm she caused was quite evident from what the OP was saying. To come in and just slap aside such an emotional issue is extremely disrespectful.

all I can say is "hear hear" tinged with undertone of grumble mumble gumblemumble

 

[kannibus]

She was like an English version of George Bush. Also, she guest starred in James Bond: For Your Eyes Only.

 

[C95J]

Well since I was born in 1995, I never got close to witnessing her way of running the country, but judging by the opinions of the majority, I think I am lucky not to have had her as PM.

Also, if everyone hated her, then why was she PM for so long?

 

[USSR]

No, can't say I have..

 

[trooper6]

Well since I was born in 1995, I never got close to witnessing her way of running the country, but judging by the opinions of the majority, I think I am lucky not to have had her as PM.

Also, if everyone hated her, then why was she PM for so long?

Like Reagan, she was good for rich people. (Or people deluding themselves into voting against their best interests by imagining they might become rich).

 

[Zizzousa]

***** was friends with Pinochet. As in super evil Chilean dictator.

Oh and apart from that, yeah, basically destroyed my home county, managed to render both of my parents unemployed within the same three month period, etc, as well as did awesome things like repeatedly using Scotland as guinea pig for risky policies (poll tax being the most memorable) because, well, let's face it, the people up there just aren't important like the English ones are because there's only 5 million of them.

I get what she was trying to do, but if there's a hell, I swear to God she's going there. It's going to be weird when she dies though...are we meant to mourn someone everyone hated?

 

[Trivun]

Oh come on, I'm British and although she wasn't a perfect leader, she was damn good at what she did. The country needed a strong and capable leader, and someone who wasn't Labour (because look at what Labour were like back then, they only became half decent again with Blair and 'New Labour', and even then they screwed up after a while anyway...). Being a great leader is often completely at odds with said leader being liked. You can please some of the people all of the time, or you can please all of the people some of the time, but it's naive to think you can please all of the people all of the time. And most of the time, what's best for us as a country isn't necessarily what we want, and we need a strong and ruthless leader to do what's best for us, for our benefit in the long run. Oh, and I live in the North now, and it is absolutely thriving and bustling. Visit Leeds, Manchester, or York, among other places, to see what I mean.

As far as the Falklands go, that was a major morale boost and victory for this country, and regarding the whole Miner's Strike thing, I actually support the government's actions there. I'm all for trade unions, but unions have way too much power, and they are even now directly causing major problems for the UK economy. Strikes all the time, and every union around demanding higher pay and benefits when they seem to miss the single basic fact that this country cannot afford it. At all. I suffered myself the effects of strike action just last year, when the noble and great (note the sarcasm) bin-men of Leeds decided they shouldn't have to face the same cuts that everyone else was facing. Cue roughly four months of bins not being collected (and in a massively student-populated area, no less) in an action that the bin-men eventually lost anyway, to avoid cuts that they eventually succumbed to regardless. And this was entirely because the local council couldn't afford to pay them the same wages. Also note that the local bin-men get paid quite a large sum anyway compared to a lot of public sector jobs, they earn more than my dad (who earns around £30,000 a year and is a contracts manager for a building firm). Seriously.

So yes, the unions have too much power, and the government is doing nothing against that, nothing to tighten their hold and stop these outrageous actions and strikes and so on that the unions insist on to get their own way, to the detriment of everyone else. Margaret Thatcher, for all her faults, did plenty to prevent the unions abusing their power so much, and for that I feel she should be commended. I'm glad a biopic is being made of her, and I hope that it shows both sides, the good and the bad, in equal parts, but also shows that the hate people have for the Iron Lady is indeed misplaced. Either way, it's certainly a film I will gladly pay to see upon release.

 

[EightGaugeHippo]

When she dies I shall throw a 24 hour drinking binge in "memory" of her.

 

[FurKlarheitIchRant]

She sucked, but I don't really see how we could have avoided the Falklands war.

Those sneaky Argentinians...

Actually...we kinda started the war. Thatcher ordered the British Navy to open fire on a civilian Argentinian ship that wasn't anywhere near the fleet. The Argentinians attacking us was a retaliatory gesture. Thatcher wanted a war to distract the British public from the fact she was slowly but surely screwing anybody who wasn't rich and white, I.E., Conservative. :/

OT: I hate Thatcher and Meryl Streep, so this movie will be on my LA LA LA THIS DOESN'T EXIST list from now on, methinks.

Which conspiracy theorist came up with that one? It's very well known that the Argentinians want the Falklands, hell some politicians running for office still bloody talk about reclaiming them.

All you need to know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_war

I'm citing knowledge gained from reading two books on the subject, watching a documentary written by Andrew Marr, and having a father who lived through the war who also has extensive qualifications in modern British history.

You're citing from Wikipedia.

Wow, patently ridiculous. At the opening of hostilities the "fleet" to which you refer consisted of 1 ship which was closer to a survey vessel than a warship, and the event to which you refer does not exist. Also, the wikipedia article which you so quickly deride is quite well cited. You, not so much.

sorry but the Falklands war was a pointless excuse for two nations to relive some political pressure , ye gods the Iraq war had a larger need.

 

[Therumancer]

Well, it's one of those things where the tough desicians to deal with far reaching problems are never popular. It's rare when politicians act to change anything, rather than fighting symptoms, and worrying about being popular enough to be re-elected. As I understand Thatcher's reign (in the US) she did a lot of things that were pretty bad in the short term, but have positive effects in the long term. She did them knowing this, and even saying so, but in the end people still remember her for the time frame where there was hardship and a huge unemployment rate, and not for the stronger economy that rose afterwards. It hasn't been all that long, and this huge unemployment rate isn't there anymore, and there is a highest average standard of living the region has ever seen. As far as The Falklands go, wars are NEVER popular, except maybe when victors record them in the history books, and people go "oh wow, that was awesome" (maybe) but nobody actually wants to be one of the guys living it, crawling on his belly through the mud, or sitting in a floating tin can, while trying to kill people and watching everyone die around them.

I think she's similar to "Dubbya" here in the US honestly. A leader who won't be remembered well until long after their death. Someone with many faults, but will probably be eventually acknowleged as having done generally the right things at the time, once people are seperated from the hardships by enough time. You might not "see" it that way now, but a generation or two after your gone I think perspectives on things going on now will be a bit differant, having the benefit of hindsight and not having to actually deal with the problems, or
hearing the opinions of those that did. People as a whole are not masochistic enough to feel their pain and suffering is for the best as they endure it, even if it is for the best.

Not a popular way of viewing things going by the responses I see here, but my thoughts.