A question for you PC exclusive gamers.

[Treblaine]

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Hyperbole, basically. It's just getting an advantage over somebody else 'cos of the equipment you have, whereas on console you get a controller and everybody is using the same controller (maybe altering the sensitivity). Don't mention anything about the everybody 'cos I know some use turbo's and stuff.

It's amazing how quickly people descend to insults, calling somebody ignorant is ignorant and redundant since everybody is ignorant. Just to clear that up.

I have a pretty shaky hand and I can still get good sniper kills, I can't quick/no scope though.

Spoiler: Theres three ways to hold a mouse, palm, claw and finger tip[/spoiler

but anyway, I still think grip isn't important as the tech your using.

For the rest of your post, what are you chatting about? I don't know were your shopping for TV's but there robbing you! £699.00 (1,017.22 USD) for a 50 inch tv. £5,000 isn't much for a "tricked out gaming rig", I think your doing a bit of an unfair comparison.

I never said you or anybody else did anything to do with buying, I was hypothesizing.

As for "bang for buck" in regards to consoles, so? Your trees look a little more tree like, your grass is a little grassier, your people look a little bit more real, your games run a little faster/smoother, whoopy! In the middle of a gaming session, in the middle of a frantic fire fight, you never notice the trees, grass, walls, light, speed (unless it's lagging badly) your too busy concentrating on were that guy is who keeps shooting you in the face when you peek out from cover.

You just come off as arrogant and anything other than PC gaming somehow makes you inferior or to do so is asinine.

Edit, you know PC gaming isn't some elite club that you have to "cut out for", it's just another gaming platform.

Spoiler: Theres three ways to hold a mouse, palm, claw and finger tip[/spoiler

"calling somebody ignorant is ignorant"

You clearly don't know the true definition of ignorant. Ignorant simply means "to no know about a relevant subject and not care to find out". Like if a judge say to a defendant "you have broken a law and ignorance is no excuse" he is not insulting him, he's saying everyone should Know the Law! You are showing ignorance about PC gaming attributing super-precise mice giving an unfair advantage and you are being arrogant to dismiss my reasoned argument as "hyperbole"

No one is excluding you (elitism) from the PC gaming club other than yourself, we are all glad to help but if you won't help yourself what can be done?

Then you said: "As for "bang for buck" in regards to consoles, so? Your trees look a little more tree like, your grass is a little grassier"

GRRRRR!!! Do you REALLY think this is just about graphics quality? I am fed up of your straw man arguments! Just pick a point as your straw man, make it out to be something it isn't and whack away at it!

PC gaming is all about the GAMEPLAY:

-framerate: higher allows faster and more fluid controls
-input-lag: low to none as the hardware is powerful enough it doesn't have to resort to triple buffering
-resolution: you can literally see more and aim more precisely, typical PC resolution has 2x the vertical and horizontal resolution of console games like COD4 or MW2
-Controls: keyboard is faster and more flexible, mouse is more precise and quicker

better graphical fidelity is a bonus for the quiet bits, to set the mood.

it is another straw man argument to say "in the middle of a frantic fire fight, you never notice the trees, grass, walls, light, ect" when NOT EVERY SINGLE SECOND of a game you are constantly in frantic firefight. Sometimes you are just waiting, looking, advancing forward slowly and carefully... that is where great graphics unmuddied can really add to the mood and feel - the art - of the game.

And I know people that have spent $10'000 (I'm working in dollars for the benefit of the wider American memrbers of this forum) on a "home theatre system" with way bigger than 50 inch screens for their console gaming. Maybe prices have changed, but why is it OK for you to look for the lower end of pricing when it comes to HDTvs for console gaming yet when it comes to PC you will obsess over the most expensive setups?!?!? Hmm?

"$5,000 (I assume you meant dollars but forgot) isn't much for a "tricked out gaming rig", I think your doing a bit of an unfair comparison."

Stop jerking me around, even Alienware's most expensive and powerful rig doesn't even break $4'000 and that company is NOTORIOUS for massively ripping off their customers for what the hardware is actually worth. Even then their choice of components leads to only fractional improvements over systems a fraction of the cost.

"I never said you or anybody else did anything to do with buying, I was hypothesizing."

Yes you did, several times. talked about "you can buy what your wallet can afford" and complained about how the more expensive mouse somehow gave an automatic advantage. I shan't bother repeating my argument for why your assertion is wrong if you ignored me the first time.

 

[Deacon Cole]

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

No.

I hear you say mouse and keyboard is the bestest thing ever for FPS (or even any game) so would being able to play in your preferred control system on PS3 exclusives persuade you to buy one?

I never said that. Especially about the mouse. I detest the mouse when playing games. I've made a sort of peace with it, but I still absolutely hate it for playing games. Games that aren't Solitaire, anyway. It works for that game. For everything else it's like putting a greased condom on a sweaty elephant while wearing oven mitts.

And exclusives for any platform do not entice me. I can live without a great many games. The killer app does not exist for me.

So, no. What you have listed here in no way entices me to buy the PlayStation 3.

 

[Ph33nix]

No my laptop has a better processor graphics card more ram better cooling system and better resolution all in a nice tight compact portable package.

 

[kingcom]

Considering Keyboard/Mouse has been available on the Xbox 360 (and the PS3, I think?) long ago, and it doesn't seem to have enticed PC gamers to switch over, I'd guess no.

Old news, didn't change anything.

Actually no, see the mouse and keyboard were only every usable for the system interfaces and never (well extremely rarely in any case) the games themselves.

Again, another 3rd party device. This is the same thing for the 360 but for the ps3.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

"$5,000 (I assume you meant dollars but forgot) isn't much for a "tricked out gaming rig", I think your doing a bit of an unfair comparison."

Stop jerking me around, even Alienware's most expensive and powerful rig doesn't even break $4'000 and that company is NOTORIOUS for massively ripping off their customers for what the hardware is actually worth. Even then their choice of components leads to only fractional improvements over systems a fraction of the cost.

For US$5000 I could build 2 overpowered high end gaming rigs or one stupidly overpowered system with a N2 cooling system and pro level everything. Hell, I could build a modest little render farm for that money (which would be my preference).

 

[omega 616]

"calling somebody ignorant is ignorant"

You clearly don't know the true definition of ignorant. Ignorant simply means "to no know about a relevant subject and not care to find out". Like if a judge say to a defendant "you have broken a law and ignorance is no excuse" he is not insulting him, he's saying everyone should Know the Law! You are showing ignorance about PC gaming attributing super-precise mice giving an unfair advantage and you are being arrogant to dismiss my reasoned argument as "hyperbole"

No one is excluding you (elitism) from the PC gaming club other than yourself, we are all glad to help but if you won't help yourself what can be done?

Then you said: "As for "bang for buck" in regards to consoles, so? Your trees look a little more tree like, your grass is a little grassier"

GRRRRR!!! Do you REALLY think this is just about graphics quality? I am fed up of your straw man arguments! Just pick a point as your straw man, make it out to be something it isn't and whack away at it!

PC gaming is all about the GAMEPLAY:

-framerate: higher allows faster and more fluid controls
-input-lag: low to none as the hardware is powerful enough it doesn't have to resort to triple buffering
-resolution: you can literally see more and aim more precisely, typical PC resolution has 2x the vertical and horizontal resolution of console games like COD4 or MW2
-Controls: keyboard is faster and more flexible, mouse is more precise and quicker

better graphical fidelity is a bonus for the quiet bits, to set the mood.

it is another straw man argument to say "in the middle of a frantic fire fight, you never notice the trees, grass, walls, light, ect" when NOT EVERY SINGLE SECOND of a game you are constantly in frantic firefight. Sometimes you are just waiting, looking, advancing forward slowly and carefully... that is where great graphics unmuddied can really add to the mood and feel - the art - of the game.

And I know people that have spent $10'000 (I'm working in dollars for the benefit of the wider American memrbers of this forum) on a "home theatre system" with way bigger than 50 inch screens for their console gaming. Maybe prices have changed, but why is it OK for you to look for the lower end of pricing when it comes to HDTvs for console gaming yet when it comes to PC you will obsess over the most expensive setups?!?!? Hmm?

"$5,000 (I assume you meant dollars but forgot) isn't much for a "tricked out gaming rig", I think your doing a bit of an unfair comparison."

Stop jerking me around, even Alienware's most expensive and powerful rig doesn't even break $4'000 and that company is NOTORIOUS for massively ripping off their customers for what the hardware is actually worth. Even then their choice of components leads to only fractional improvements over systems a fraction of the cost.

"I never said you or anybody else did anything to do with buying, I was hypothesizing."

Yes you did, several times. talked about "you can buy what your wallet can afford" and complained about how the more expensive mouse somehow gave an automatic advantage. I shan't bother repeating my argument for why your assertion is wrong if you ignored me the first time.

You don't understand my posts do you? My argument was using hyperbole by comparing an awful keyboard and mouse to the best razer gear.

"your not cut out for PC gaming" sounds like you consider yourself elite in someway and you have to be good enough to grace the PC.

I kind of quoted Steven Fry, he is the person that said everybody is ignorant, I think he is smarter than you, he is smarter than most people.

I did mention other things besides graphics, go have another read and you said list all the things I don't like about PC, so I did, now your saying "pick one and stick with it", what do you want from me!

I don't even see the difference in bluray films and VHS, do you think I am going to tell the difference between PC and console graphics, excluding crysis.

That was the most expensive tv I could find in the UK, I know you can get 74 inch tvs but for uk people I think they have to be imported and I don't know the names of any American electrical retailers.

My brother created a £12,000+ one on alienware, just a small correction.

"you can buy what your wallet can afford" doesn't that imply hypothesizing? I guess I should stop using the word "you" 'cos I am not referring to you as an individual, I am referring to whoever reads it.

 

[Continuity]

Well.. this didn't take long to turn into an argument.

 

[Crystal Cuckoo]

It does look good... But considering that you already need a computer monitor for it (because I've never found using a keyboard for a 50-inch very fluid), I'd rather just invest the money in an actual gaming PC.

 

[tzimize]

Would

Spoiler: this

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/06/10/eagle-eye-peripheral-adds-keyboard-support-to-ps3-fps-games/

entice you to buy a PS3?

I hear you say mouse and keyboard is the bestest thing ever for FPS (or even any game) so would being able to play in your preferred control system on PS3 exclusives persuade you to buy one?

(I don't know how you hide the url into a word or sentence. Sorry if this has been brought up before)

Edit. Just thought I would list a few exclusives just as a small reminder, God of war 3, MGS4, Modnation racers and heavy rain

Another edit. I think some people are getting the wrong end of the thread, it's not which is superior. It's if you were thinking of getting a PS3 but couldn't decide, would this push you over the edge and make you get one?

Yet another edit. It's amazing how many people sound insulted or in some way offended by this question.

Even if you can get keyboards/mouse for consolefpses the games are still made for people who play with a controller. This means that the games are usually slower, with autoaim, worse AI or similar stuff, and feel "consoley" (read: The new Alien Vs. Predator).

There is also the issue of modding etc.

 

[wordsmith]

No, I don't think it would. The reason is pretty simple, in that I have a gaming PC. I understand the appeal of having a BMW and an Audi in the garage, it's just I couldn't justify owning both. I've lost count of how many times I've *almost* bought a 360 (Saints Row, Fable 2, Red Dead Redemption), but at the end of the day, I don't *need* it.

I grew up without a console, my dad was of the "Gaming rots your brain" variety, even taking a PS1 that my mum bought me for Christmas back to the shop. In fairness, he took it back on Dec 23rd, so I never actually knew that I almost had one, but I grew up with my gaming contact limited to my Gameboy and whatever I could run on the family PC. I grew up seeing all these games, seeing that I couldn't play them because of specs, and putting them back. But it's cool though, I don't need to play them. Sure, they're fun and all, but they're not vital.

Hell, I hadn't even played Psychonauts until there was a sale on Steam, and that jumped into my Top 5 straight away.

So no, in answer to the OP, kb+m do not a PC gamer make.

 

[Continuity]

Psychonauts, yes, I actually bought a controller for my PC to play that game

 

[znix]

Consoles are ok, but not necessary. There are lots of cool unique games on PC. No real reason to buy a console tbh.

 

[CoffeeOfDoom]

The only game I would want to play on PS3 is Heavy Rain, but that doesn't really justify buying a PS3 as well as a HD TV.
Though I must admit, I did pay £750 for my PC, but at least I won't have to update it for a while, and the amount of games I play on it justifies the cost.

 

[Volafortis]

Still no typing chat, the mouse will just be converted to analog movement, so it wont be as responsive as a gaming mouse, it needs to be mapped, etc...

The fact is, it's just like any controller, just shaped like a keyboard and mouse, but without the functionality of a keyboard and mouse.

Regardless, I already own a PS3 and 360, so I don't mind my controller, anyway, I've been used to controllers for a long time.

(And, it still wont change the fact that console RTS games suck because they're watered down to accommodate controllers, which will no change because of one optional peripheral. It wont add mod support to the PS3. It doesn't actually provide any of the benefits of PC gaming, other than a peripheral that looks and feels, but doesn't function, like the keyboard/mouse.

 

[omega 616]

So no, in answer to the OP, kb+m do not a PC gamer make.

I never wanted to imply they did, I was just curios to know if having your preferred control system or atleast a system your used to, would push you over the edge to get a ps3, if you were thinking of getting one.

To think of the K/M as being the only advantage (that is if you consider it an advantage) is a bit stupid, which is why I never said that.

 

[Cpt_Oblivious]

It would help, though I'd prefer one for the XBox 360. And it doesn't make up for the loss of mods and other things that come with the PC.

 

[omega 616]

It would help, though I'd prefer one for the XBox 360. And it doesn't make up for the loss of mods and other things that come with the PC.

This is more of the kind of answer I was looking for.

I wasn't saying this makes the PS3 a PC with all the things a PC has. I think it's more like a small, weak, frail bridge between pc and PS3.

 

[Asehujiko]

I don't even see the difference in bluray films and VHS, do you think I am going to tell the difference between PC and console graphics, excluding crysis.

That may be related to the fact that they are storage mediums and not a quality standard. 99% of the time they just didn't bother to compress the movie on the Blu-Ray disk or leave 20GB of empty space at the end.

 

[Treblaine]

You don't understand my posts do you? My argument was using hyperbole by comparing an awful keyboard and mouse to the best razer gear.

"your not cut out for PC gaming" sounds like you consider yourself elite in someway and you have to be good enough to grace the PC.

I kind of quoted Steven Fry, he is the person that said everybody is ignorant, I think he is smarter than you, he is smarter than most people.

I did mention other things besides graphics, go have another read and you said list all the things I don't like about PC, so I did, now your saying "pick one and stick with it", what do you want from me!

I don't even see the difference in bluray films and VHS, do you think I am going to tell the difference between PC and console graphics, excluding crysis.

That was the most expensive tv I could find in the UK, I know you can get 74 inch tvs but for uk people I think they have to be imported and I don't know the names of any American electrical retailers.

My brother created a £12,000+ one on alienware, just a small correction.

"you can buy what your wallet can afford" doesn't that imply hypothesizing? I guess I should stop using the word "you" 'cos I am not referring to you as an individual, I am referring to whoever reads it.

I stand by my statements on PC gaming, it is YOUR OWN preference not to "fiddle around" with mods, customisation and the details of PC gaming. if you don't want to put the research and effort into PC gaming then you are excluding yourself!

I know what keyboard and mouse you are comparing - I just have no idea what relevance it is? I've explained why the comparison is pointless but AGAIN AND AGAIN you simply IGNORE all that I have to say, that that increase in precision is ONLY helpful if the person controlling it is capable of exploiting that precision.if you don't understand, fine, just don't be obtuse about it.

"go have another read and you said list all the things I don't like about PC, so I did, now your saying "pick one and stick with it", what do you want from me!"

I have gone through this whole thread with the "search word" function and the only time I used the word "pick" was in reference to your use of the logical fallacy of straw man arguments. So I have NO IDEA what you are talking about... again.

To clarify what I want is I want you to show some enthusiasm for the things that PC gaming can offer and just apply yourself more, invest some more intellect, into making it work rather than just complaining and making excuses. You may have jumped into the deep end with games that are too complex, I'd suggest you start simple with the eternal classic Doom to get used to controls and keyboard layout then work on up to Quake and so on.

Finally on the money issue, see what RhomCo has to say:

For US$5000 I could build 2 overpowered high end gaming rigs or one stupidly overpowered system with a N2 cooling system and pro level everything. Hell, I could build a modest little render farm for that money (which would be my preference).

N2 is Liquid Nitrogen Cooling(!) so stop talking bollocks, Omega.

And I have already shown you can build a Crysis-capable PC for only $500 (about £425 by my estimate with UK prices). And also shown you a mouse that is 90% as good as your ridiculous Razor mouse. Only a poor workman blames his tools, if you can't kick ass online with a Logitech MX 518 you simply need more practice, not more expensive gear.

 

[Apretentiousname]

That looks like a shitload of fun, but I don't think so. It might be better for like FPS and rpgs and stuff like that, but any driving and it can get annoying depending on how insightful the developer is. -_-
So I wouldn't buy a PS3 because of that, but I would have fun messing around with it.